Describe to how Obama is a Marxist/Socialist

[Anarchist420]

I'd say Dennis Kucinich is a marxist, but he's really the only U.S. politician we've had in a long time who is a true socialist. Ron Paul and maybe 7 other members of Congress, at most, are capitalists. The rest are corporatists, including Obama--big time. And it just makes me SO ANGRY.

 

[Steeplerot]

Does he believe in big government? Case closed.

Everyone on this board believes in big government. When it comes to something THEY support it's not Socialist. (Stupidly huge socialist military for example.)

And yes, so do right-wing libertarians if you actually corner them into telling you what their utopia would have to have to protect profits.

 

[Red Dawn]

I'd say Dennis Kucinich is a marxist, but he's really the only U.S. politician we've had in a long time who is a true socialist. Ron Paul and maybe 7 other members of Congress, at most, are capitalists. The rest are corporatists, including Obama--big time. And it just makes me SO ANGRY.

Well tomorrow don't forget to take your meds

 

[Jhhnn]

You totally slipped past Obama's attitude toward the Constitution - something reinforced by his appointment of lawyers (Harold Koh to State Dept) who are transnationalists and support international law and courts being allowed to abrogate the Constitution .

Saying redistribution of wealth has been used since the 30's as a necessery restraint on capitalism is a puerile argument.

Obama's statement wrt the Constitution and wealth seemed entirely neutral to me- mere statement of fact...

The other part is the usual rightwing attempt to simply label and dismiss any argument they can't counter, a la Rushbo...

Perhaps you'd care to explain how the changes in income distribution I cited were good for the middle class, or the country as a whole? Perhaps you'd care to make an argument for the shift in tax revenue sources, as well?

WhipperSnapper- You need to realize that facts and figures aren't a valid basis for argument wrt Righties in general. When they want to believe, they will, regardless. Simulated rationality justifies their belief structures via circular reasoning and a priori constructs.

Soshulism is *Bad*... mmkay? They don't really know why, or why they believe it is, it just is, within a belief structure they've been conditioned to accept.

And, of course, Obama is *Bad*, too, by definition, because, well, because they believe he must be, regardless of any action or statement on his part.

He never asked for congress to institute single payer healthcare, but he musta wanted to... because that's what they believe.

He bailed out the banks rather than nationalizing them, something a real socialist would have called for, but he's obviously a socialist anyway, because they want to believe he is.

The list goes on from there, including complete lunacy among the most tragically affected.

As I've offered before, we'd be better off politically, not economically, if the govt had allowed the financial system to collapse into a debt deflation spiral. There'd be little room for denial among the adherents of rightwing ideology. They'd necessarily have to face the truth about what they believe so fervently- that it's not the truth at all, that they've been very carefully and cleverly manipulated on an emotional level for their whole lives. Only when it crashes down around them will they realize they've been used and abused by the very people and institutions they admire and respect the most... maybe not even then.

 

[Zebo]

Only when it crashes down around them will they realize they've been used and abused by the very people and institutions they admire and respect the most... maybe not even then.

This reminds me of a roofer I know...sorta a freind...I "loaned" him money being a bleeding heart and being he used to do my roofs. Anyway he was right wing as fuck...I mean even had a "Rush is Right" sticker on his now repossessed truck. Renouced is US citizenship for "state citizenship" Long story but basically combo of divorce, IRS, and housing market bankrupted him. At 55 he's not worth anything to any employer and he has diabetes and various other heath issues being a big guy who worked hard and played hard. Heard him about a year ago start professing his disappointment with his ideology. Said something like "I paid taxes all my life and now have no health insurance" I of course being a prick that I am went all right wing on him. "earn your HI you don't expect me to pay you deadbeat" smiling of course

 

[nyker96]

Obama=Corporatist.

ideologically he is siding with the corporation a lot more than even the government. he should be a corporatist through and through. but socialist sounds better if you want to trash him.

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

Like it did in most of Western Europe where people have a higher quality of life than people do in the United States?

I love how people just make shit up.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Does he believe in big government? Case closed.

So every President in the last 30-40 years is a socialist by that definition ? Hey everyone, Bush was a socialist!!!111!!!ONE

(Except maybe Clinton, isn't he the only recent President to actually shrink the gov?)

 

[Anarchist420]

Clinton didn't shrink the government. He stopped it from growing significantly, but that was likely due to a Republican Congress. Remember Hillarycare?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I love how people just make shit up.

Let's compare your average Scandinavian country to the U.S.:

United States:

• Hundreds of thousands if not millions of homeless people
• Nightmarish health care system and medical bankruptcies
• Many rich people and a huge impoverished underclass and a large lower class.
• Higher crime rates.

Scandinavian country:

• Few homeless people
• Real socialized medicine and zero medical bankruptcies
• Fewer rich people but a larger middle class with few deeply impoverished people.
• Lower crime rates.

Am I wrong on these points?

 

[Atheus]

Read the first link in my sig.

LOL 'American Thinker' - there's an oxymoron for you!

 

[evident]

Let's compare your average Scandinavian country to the U.S.:

United States:

• Hundreds of thousands if not millions of homeless people
• Nightmarish health care system and medical bankruptcies
• Many rich people and a huge impoverished underclass and a large lower class.
• Higher crime rates.

Scandinavian country:

• Few homeless people
• Real socialized medicine and zero medical bankruptcies
• Fewer rich people but a larger middle class with few deeply impoverished people.
• Lower crime rates.

Am I wrong on these points?

don't forget tons of vacation!

 

[sMiLeYz]

I love how people just make shit up.

Scandinavian countries have consistently higher standard of living rankings than the US.
http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

 

[boomerang]

Scandinavian countries have consistently higher standard of living rankings than the US.
http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

We're thirteenth on that ranking. What does that mean? Thirteenth out of 182 countries. Not too awful bad I'd say.

 

[theeedude]

He signed a health care bill that requires people to buy insurance coverage instead of socializing their health care costs through the ERs. He most certainly is Lenin incarnate.

 

[cubby1223]

He signed a health care bill that requires people to buy insurance coverage instead of socializing their health care costs through the ERs. He most certainly is Lenin incarnate.

You can bet he would have implemented fully socialized medicine if he had the right people in the legislative branch...

Oh how oh how can the White House get the people they want in to positions of power...

oh wait, the White House is actively trying to pick the candidates in the upcoming elections! Or at least until they got caught.




Why is it that Socialist groups loudly cheer on the "progressive" agenda? All you have to do is look at their websites. Well, take this article on the Israel / Gaza incident:
http://www.socialistworld.net/doc/4312

This shows, once again, the urgent need for a socialist alternative to help build a mass workers’ movement to break the siege and for the overthrowing of the brutal capitalist system in the region and internationally.

Where is the White House's comments on the incident?



Why is SEIU mounting such a massive attack against the Arizona law? Why was Obama highly reluctant to even meet with AZ Gov. Brewer? We have a congresswoman from California declaring that white supremacist groups were the ones who wrote the AZ law. Something is seriously fucked up, and it ain't Fox News.



I'll say this, it is much easier to describe Obama as a Marxist / Socialist than it is to describe Tea Party Protesters as racist, radical violent extremists.

 

[cubby1223]

Everyone on this board believes in big government. When it comes to something THEY support it's not Socialist. (Stupidly huge socialist military for example.)

And yes, so do right-wing libertarians if you actually corner them into telling you what their utopia would have to have to protect profits.

You keep telling yourself that.

The rest of us will live in the real world.

 

[Red Dawn]

I'll say this, it is much easier to describe Obama as a Marxist / Socialist than it is to describe Tea Party Protesters as racist, radical violent extremists.

Yeah if ones viewpoint is like yours which is of your lower intestinal tract.

 

[Jhhnn]

You keep telling yourself that.

The rest of us will live in the real world.

Pretty amazing, particularly after this bit of believe-what-you-want-to-believe-

You can bet he would have implemented fully socialized medicine if he had the right people in the legislative branch...

*Not* having socialized medicine actually makes us less competitive wrt the rest of the first world... because we spend more for less in the process...

But our financial elite is the richest in the world, other than the rulers of KSA... pay the lowest taxes of any first world elite, and whine about it more, too...

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Because there's a "D" after his name?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

The plain truth of it is Obama is a socialist because calling him the n-word would expose many of his detractors as racist. Gotta keep these things under the guise of genuine political discourse.

 

[cubby1223]

The plain truth of it is Obama is a socialist because calling him the n-word would expose many of his detractors as racist. Gotta keep these things under the guise of genuine political discourse.

Yep! I also greatly dislike Andy Stern because of his deep black skin! I'd call him the n-word too if it were socially acceptable.

 

[MotF Bane]

Everyone on this board believes in big government. When it comes to something THEY support it's not Socialist. (Stupidly huge socialist military for example.)

And yes, so do right-wing libertarians if you actually corner them into telling you what their utopia would have to have to protect profits.

Incorrect as usual, Steeplebot.