Derek Jeter would be a good soccer player

[Flipped Gazelle]

yea, and add to the fact of that, that if games are already too long ... then current times + 2 minutes = even longer, which still means it is too long...

(in his opinion)

What I'm concerned with is managers would come up with ways to use these challenges to f*ck with the opposing teams. Use a video challenge to break a pitcher's concentration, for example.

And of course, there will be the pre- and post- challenge arguments, followed by umpire explanations.... :thumbsdown:

 

[SP33Demon]

What I'm concerned with is managers would come up with ways to use these challenges to f*ck with the opposing teams. Use a video challenge to break a pitcher's concentration, for example.

And of course, there will be the pre- and post- challenge arguments, followed by umpire explanations.... :thumbsdown:

I like the ump in the booth suggestion. Anytime the umps have to convene on a call, consult the booth. Time spent verifying call in booth > umps spending 3 minutes arguing with one another + manager's 3 minutes out to argue the call.

 

[purbeast0]

It's dishonest and unsportsmanlike, but you "see absolutely nothing wrong with what he did" because everyone else does it? I guess you just have low standards for what is right and what is wrong.

When I played high school tennis we called our own lines and it never caused a problem. That's sportsmanship. Winning by lying and cheating is not a win. Intentionally deceiving the officials is cheating in baseball, soccer, football, basketball, or any other sport.

i don't see anything wrong it because it is part of the sport at the professional level, since at the professional it IS all about winning and nothing else.

it happens in every major professional sport out there and is simply part of the game.

sure call it dishonest or whatever you want, but it is part of the game, and the point of the game is to win by all means possible.

if the umpire did his job better, this wouldn't even be an issue because he would still have been at bat. but people make mistakes and nothing is wrong with that.

 

[Doodoo]

I bet it would've been a bigger deal if A-Rod did it.

 

[SP33Demon]

i don't see anything wrong it because it is part of the sport at the professional level, since at the professional it IS all about winning and nothing else.

it happens in every major professional sport out there and is simply part of the game.

sure call it dishonest or whatever you want, but it is part of the game, and the point of the game is to win by all means possible.

if the umpire did his job better, this wouldn't even be an issue because he would still have been at bat. but people make mistakes and nothing is wrong with that.

He would have been respected more had he told the ump that the ball didn't hit him. Polls don't lie.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=pollindex&pollId=97510

48% to 43%.

 

[rcpratt]

The most hilarious part of this is the fact that the replay issue has been reignited.

I find it incredibly sad that all it takes is one faked hit-batter by a Yankees player to stir this debate up far more than say, an umpiring mistake that cost a (non east-coast) player a perfect game. Sad.

 

[Homerboy]

He would have been respected more had he told the ump that the ball didn't hit him. Polls don't lie.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=pollindex&pollId=97510

48% to 43%.

he's not looking for respect from people.
He gets paid to help win games.
OBP helps a baseball team win games. This "HBP" was followed by a HR. It directly HELPED him team. Did he lie at all during the game? No.
FFS you could HEAR the ball hitting the bat clearly. I'd say the ump was more to blame.

Ironically my NINE YEAR OLD SON (we were watching this live when it happened) realized that the ump was more to blame than Jeter.

Do you people think Jeter should start saying "no sorry ump, I think that pitch was a strike more than a ball. it was 3-2... I guess I'm out now right?" No... no batter would EVER do that or be expected to.

He did the right thing. Period.

(Yankees suck)

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

The most hilarious part of this is the fact that the replay issue has been reignited.

I find it incredibly sad that all it takes is one faked hit-batter by a Yankees player to stir this debate up far more than say, an umpiring mistake that cost a (non east-coast) player a perfect game. Sad.

I have to tell you... here in the NY market, sports radio was inundated with phone calls re: Galaraga's "perfect game", and the debate over instant replay. Jeter's "HBP", not so much. Online & TV coverage seemed greater for Galaraga, also. So I can't figure out what has led you to draw your conclusion.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

He would have been respected more had he told the ump that the ball didn't hit him. Polls don't lie.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=pollindex&pollId=97510

48% to 43%.

You should post this is P&N...

 

[Homerboy]

I like the ump in the booth suggestion. Anytime the umps have to convene on a call, consult the booth. Time spent verifying call in booth > umps spending 3 minutes arguing with one another + manager's 3 minutes out to argue the call.

Did you watch any of the LL World Series? The replay they used there was amazingly streamlined, efficient and effective too.

 

[rcpratt]

Did you watch any of the LL World Series? The replay they used there was amazingly streamlined, efficient and effective too.

I don't really like the "challenge" system for MLB, but I agree it could be done very efficiently in several ways without even adding a whole minute to the average game time.

 

[Homerboy]

I don't really like the "challenge" system for MLB, but I agree it could be done very efficiently in several ways without even adding a whole minute to the average game time.

I think the average "challenge" time in the LLWS this year was like 45 secs or something. It worked smooth as silk. Then again, there was no place for managers to argue etc.

 

[rcpratt]

I think the average "challenge" time in the LLWS this year was like 45 secs or something. It worked smooth as silk. Then again, there was no place for managers to argue etc.

Yeah, I know it went well. The traditional baseball fan in me (and I wouldn't say I'm a traditionalist at all) just doesn't like the thought of seeing a manager throw out a red flag like the NFL. I don't even know what they did in the LLWS because I didn't watch, if it's verbal it wouldn't really bother me. But I'd rather just have an ump in the booth ready to review everything.

 

[Jeeebus]

It felt like half of SportsCenter was dedicated to this in the restaurant I had lunch at today.

They were showing this douchebag college kid from 2007 - Brian Walker - who clearly needed acting lessons from Jeter. Never saw this before, but this is a pretty terrible fake hit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26axJdDKYWw

 

[herkulease]

If jeter wasn't jeter or if he was playing for your team most of the people who are calling him a cheat wouldn't say a thing and call it smart.

this "flop" isn't as bad as some of the crap you see in soccer where the guy never even touches or even comes close to touching a guy's face. and he's on the ground dying.

Same goes with the nba. there are guys you don't even touch and they are flopping and flailing all over the court.

Catchers try and "cheat" the ump by quickly reframing the pitch to be in the strike zone do you see people up in arms about it?

 

[Homerboy]

Yeah, I know it went well. The traditional baseball fan in me (and I wouldn't say I'm a traditionalist at all) just doesn't like the thought of seeing a manager throw out a red flag like the NFL. I don't even know what they did in the LLWS because I didn't watch, if it's verbal it wouldn't really bother me. But I'd rather just have an ump in the booth ready to review everything.

Managers would come out. Question the call with the ump. If he didn't like what the ump said, he's ask for a boot review. Umps walked over to official behind the plate in the "stands" (where the replay video machine was). He (and he alone) watched the video. Made call. Field ump relayed.

Bing. Bang. Boom.

Personally, I don't care if there is replay in sports or not. The only concern I have is it is A) limited and B) EFFICIENT

The method in the NFL is so far A but not even close to B.
What little they use in the MLB so far has been both, but if you're going to do some, they need to do a bit more.

 

[Homerboy]

<snip>
Catchers try and "cheat" the ump by quickly reframing the pitch to be in the strike zone do you see people up in arms about it?

This was going to be my other point too.
I'm sorry, but what batter is going to question a umps mistake? It just makes no sense. If you watch the play too, the ump gave him the base pretty quick, barely taking into account the "acting".

I'm willing to bet too that the acting was a bit of "nerves" just as anytime you see a guy get dusted off the plate he can be a bit "nervous" right away. This ball actually made contact too. Anytime you go down in any sport like that you kind of have a nervous, defensive reaction... I call it "taking inventory"... you expect to be hurt, your body reacts like it is hurt, then a second or two later you realize "Hey! I'm Ok!" Happens all the time to me and friends in basketball with rolled ankles and hard falls to the floor etc.

 

[moshquerade]

ever get a stinger before? hurts like hell.

carry on.