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Der Spiegel breaks news on NSA's spying capability - encompasses entire world

Fenixgoon

Fenixgoon

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vILAlhwUgIU&list=PLOcrXzpA0W82rsJJKrmeBlY3_MS0uQv3h

http://www.spiegel.de/international...ffort-to-spy-on-global-networks-a-940969.html

http://www.spiegel.de/international...fers-spy-gadgets-for-every-need-a-941006.html

http://www.dailytech.com/Tax+and+Sp...merican+Stores+Data+15+Years/article34010.htm


The NSA basically can record all internet traffic across the world and store that information for ~15+ years.

The NSA's spying activities also include software and hardware attacks on:

Servers (some dell and hp models)
cell phone towers
routers
mobile phones (if you have an iPhone, your device can be compromised with 100% success)
hard drives
USB connections on a motherboard
counterfeit/tampered hardware


Note that while this equipment obviously can be used for foreign intelligence collection (which is the NSA's job), there is nothing suggesting that its use has been limited in any way solely to foreign intelligence collection.

WHAT. THE. FUCK.
 
Breaking news, a spy agency is good at spying! What's next, the the army is good at blowing stuff up?
 
Show of hands, who is surprised?

Under the assumtion that any device attatched to the internet, or physically accessed by an agent (or anyone with ajy tech knowledge for that matter) is vulnerable, I find little of the recent leaks of the NSA's activity to be surprising. Only confirming what I assumed to be possible.
 
JD50 said:
Breaking news, a spy agency is good at spying! What's next, the the army is good at blowing stuff up?
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if you read the articles and watch the presentation, it's not just about the fact that they spy. that is their job.

it's the extent to which the capability has grown - the entire internet can effectively be shut down. been to cnn.com lately? your computer has likely been subject to NSA malware attacks.

the NSA has the ability to infiltrate virtually any device - computer, console system, mobile phone, etc.

besides all this being a gross infringement on constitutional rights for US citizens, this ability is beginning to have economic impacts as american corporations will be put at a competitive disadvantage for fear that our products are tainted by the NSA.
 
Fenixgoon said:
if you read the articles and watch the presentation, it's not just about the fact that they spy. that is their job.

it's the extent to which the capability has grown - the entire internet can effectively be shut down. been to cnn.com lately? your computer has likely been subject to NSA malware attacks.

the NSA has the ability to infiltrate virtually any device - computer, console system, mobile phone, etc.

besides all this being a gross infringement on constitutional rights for US citizens, this ability is beginning to have economic impacts as american corporations will be put at a competitive disadvantage for fear that our products are tainted by the NSA.
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Why should this surprise anybody?

All of this is Obama, all of it.
 
spidey07 said:
Why should this surprise anybody?

All of this is Obama, all of it.
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Yes, because all if this complicated infrastructure was set up since 2009.

This shit has been in development probably since the early 1990s, ever since the internet has been around. Obama is allowing to continue, but he certainly not responsible for " all of it" as you claim.
 
Fenixgoon said:
if you read the articles and watch the presentation, it's not just about the fact that they spy. that is their job.

it's the extent to which the capability has grown - the entire internet can effectively be shut down. been to cnn.com lately? your computer has likely been subject to NSA malware attacks.

the NSA has the ability to infiltrate virtually any device - computer, console system, mobile phone, etc.

besides all this being a gross infringement on constitutional rights for US citizens, this ability is beginning to have economic impacts as american corporations will be put at a competitive disadvantage for fear that our products are tainted by the NSA.
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But if the story is correct, the NSA is capable of "tainting" products from any company in the world.
 
cyclohexane said:
Yes, because all if this complicated infrastructure was set up since 2009.

This shit has been in development probably since the early 1990s, ever since the internet has been around. Obama is allowing to continue, but he certainly not responsible for " all of it" as you claim.
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The use and implementation of that department falls under the executive branch.

So yes, it is his to own.

At first I thought Snowden a traitor. I'm quickly thinking him a patriot.

Dictator be dictating though. Fuck Obama.
 
shira said:
But if the story is correct, the NSA is capable of "tainting" products from any company in the world.
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Our respect as a nation has fallen so low under Obama it's really inconceivable. In just 5 short years has has taken us from a nation of respect to a nation of demise.

May great fuck be upon him.
 
spidey07 said:
Our respect as a nation has fallen so low under Obama it's really inconceivable. In just 5 short years has has taken us from a nation of respect to a nation of demise.

May great fuck be upon him.
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this isn't an anti-obama thread, much as you would probably like it to be one.
 
Fenixgoon said:
this isn't an anti-obama thread, much as you would probably like it to be one.
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Blame needs to be blamed. He owns that agency, he owns this. All of it. 5 years of his leadership of this branch and where has our respect as a nation gone? Down the shitter. Our standing as a nation among the world has never been lower thanks to the fuckstain in the whitehouse.

Do you understand who the NSA reports to? Who owns the NSA? Do you understand the executive branch?

Learn from history. Fuck Obama.

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I get it, you are surprised this technology exists. I am not.

I'm shocked that the fuckstain is doing it, in spite of the damage it causes the US. Great fuck be upon him.
 
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Do any of you (other than Spidey) think that this was actually not started before Obama?

Regardless, this shit needs to go. Anyone wondering why our 'defense' budget is so high....wonder no more.
 
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Engineer said:
Do any of you (other than Spidey) think that this was actually not started before Obama?

Regardless, this shit needs to go. Anyone wondering why our 'defense' budget is so high....wonder no more.
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I think it was started before the fuckstain. But he took it to these levels.

But,but but he was going to improve our standing in the world.

Now bring the outrage liberals. Give it all you got.

Ps - nice win.
 
Fenixgoon said:
Note that while this equipment obviously can be used for foreign intelligence collection (which is the NSA's job), there is nothing suggesting that its use has been limited in any way solely to foreign intelligence collection.
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Except, you know, existing laws and stuff. It's disingenuous to keep conflating this debate between what the NSA can do in legal terms and what they can do in absolute terms.
 
It's illegal and unconstitutional and no citizen should be complacent when the federal government oversteps it's authority to such a degree.
 
Engineer said:
Do any of you (other than Spidey) think that this was actually not started before Obama?

Regardless, this shit needs to go. Anyone wondering why our 'defense' budget is so high....wonder no more.
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On the other hand, if anyone believes the NSA is the only state-sponsored spy group working feverishly to be able to easily collect data on anyone and everyone it desires, and to easily attack/destroy any network it desires, then they're pretty naive.

And if "everyone's doing it," what's the solution? Stop the NSA and let China control the planet?

I'm not arguing "NSA good; everyone else bad." But I think it's pretty naive to believe that we'd be overall better off in a world where only the NSA is respecting our privacy.

My feeling is that - at the very least - there need to be strong laws in place that bar the use of collected information for ANYTHING other than to fight terrorism and to defend the U.S. from other countries. And what I mean by "strong" laws is a regime of severe criminal penalties for any sharing of collected information for anything other than its strictly-defined purposes (example: no use whatsoever for law enforcement - no "special" exceptions).
 
shira said:
On the other hand, if anyone believes the NSA is the only state-sponsored spy group working feverishly to be able to easily collect data on anyone and everyone it desires, and to easily attack/destroy any network it desires, then they're pretty naive.

And if "everyone's doing it," what's the solution? Stop the NSA and let China control the planet?

I'm not arguing "NSA good; everyone else bad." But I think it's pretty naive to believe that we'd be overall better off in a world where only the NSA is respecting our privacy.

My feeling is that - at the very least - there need to be strong laws in place that bar the use of collected information for ANYTHING other than to fight terrorism and to defend the U.S. from other countries. And what I mean by "strong" laws is a regime of severe criminal penalties for any sharing of collected information for anything other than its strictly-defined purposes (example: no use whatsoever for law enforcement - no "special" exceptions).
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That law is the constitution.

After that you're going into manga carta realms IMHO.

Spelling. On phone.
 
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I've always wondered what types of processors these guys are using.

Wouldn't surprise me if they build their own. 😵

What do you guys think?
 
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