Dept. of Homeland Security tells refugees to go back to their EXPLODING island

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US turns up heat on volcano refugees
By Damian Fowler
BBC, New York

It has been seven years since Everson Farrell arrived in New York, a refugee from the devastating volcano that destroyed his home on the small Caribbean island of Montserrat.

In this corner of the Bronx, Mr Farrell rebuilt his life from scratch. These days he has a thriving business, a fiancee and four children, three of them born here.

"I'm fitting into this society," he says, gesturing proudly towards the garage and bodyshop he established which is adorned with his country's flag.

But now his new American life is in jeopardy, and this time it is not an act of God that threatens him.

After being dormant for centuries the volcano started erupting in 1995. Thousands of people fled Montserrat, mostly to Britain, which is still the colonial power of the country, and other surrounding islands.

But 292 refugees, including Everson, eventually came to the United States where they were given "temporary protected status", meaning they could live and work here until the threat subsided.

But recently the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) stunned this small group of Montserratians by revoking their temporary status and ordering them to leave by the end of February 2005. Ironically, it wants them out precisely because the situation has not improved.

It declared that volcanic eruptions are "not likely to cease in the foreseeable future. Therefore it no longer constitutes a temporary disruption of living conditions that temporarily prevents Montserrat from adequately handling the return of its nationals."


It has taken a month for this community to react to the declaration. But this week the Montserrat refugees are meeting in New York and Boston, where most of them live, to plan a strategy.

'Heartless action'

At the heart of this plan is a bill that would convert the 292 Montserrat refugees to permanent residents. It is being sponsored by Congressman Major Owens, a Democratic representative from Brooklyn.

Earlier in August Congressman Owens expressed his outrage with the DHS decision.

"This is a heartless action and a blatant disregard for human life. There is a real anti-immigrant sentiment that governs the Bush administration when it comes to particular areas of the world and the Montserrat case is just one example," he said on his website.

Since the Montserratians started their lobbying efforts, they've garnered support from politicians and newspapers across the country, including the Washington Post which called the decision "absurd and cruel".

'Not permanent'

But the Department of Homeland Security defended its decision as being in keeping with the letter of the law.

"The fact is, temporary protected status is not meant to be a permanent solution," said William Strassberger, a spokesman for the government agency.

As an example, he points to the fact that Bosnians returned home after the war in the former Yugoslavia, and other foreign nationals have always returned after the crisis in question abated.

Advocates for the refugees are in effect asking the government for compassion, arguing that they can't go home again.

The Soufriere Hill's volcano destroyed the southern two-thirds of Montserrat, burying everything in volcanic rubble and ash.

"This [decision] is not a natural disaster like the volcano when you had to run," said Vera Weekes, the assistant director of the Caribbean Research Center at Medgar Evers College at City University of New York.

"But here there's no disaster that means you have to be thrown out like a terrorist or you're really of no value. And that is a burning shame."

One solution suggested by the government is for the refugees to move to England, where many already have family.

That's little consolation to Marian O'Garro and her 12-year-old daughter, Zanyl, who lost everything in the volcano and have now settled in New York.

"Who are we going to England to live with?" said Ms O'Garro.

"After seven years this is home. My mother is here, my sister is here and my two kids are here."

"To think that you have to uproot and leave everything again, it's very heartbreaking."

It's less than 300 people and their island volcano is still erupting today. Seems that they're gaining support against this retarded decision, so hopefully they can stay.
 

sMiLeYz

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It's like the fire fighter or police telling people to go back into a building thats burned down. F`ing ridicolous.
 

Zephyr106

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A temporary protected status is just that: temporary. Why should we have to provide for these refugees. Let them go to socialist Yurope if your hearts bleed so much.

Zephyr
 

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Originally posted by: Zephyr106
A temporary protected status is just that: temporary. Why should we have to provide for these refugees. Let them go to socialist Yurope if your hearts bleed so much.

Zephyr

Maybe you didn't notice that at least one of them has become a productive, if temporary member of society. You aren't necessarily providing for them.

I hope they are able to stay where they have ended up; I know most western nations have refugees who for various reasons have never been able to return home.

If the government wants them out so badly, the least they could have done is try to find them somewhere safe to go on a permanent basis. If the situation hasn't improved, what's the trigger for sending them back?
 

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Originally posted by: Zephyr106
A temporary protected status is just that: temporary. Why should we have to provide for these refugees. Let them go to socialist Yurope if your hearts bleed so much.

Zephyr

haha good one zapper. Give us your tired your poor your huddled masses; cuz we're gonna feed them to the volcano god!!!!!11

seriously, these people are obviously terrorists hiding in a sleeper cell waiting to trigger volcanic eruptions in the US. they should be executed after a short military trial.
 

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Originally posted by: onelove
Originally posted by: Zephyr106
A temporary protected status is just that: temporary. Why should we have to provide for these refugees. Let them go to socialist Yurope if your hearts bleed so much.

Zephyr

haha good one zapper. Give us your tired your poor your huddled masses; cuz we're gonna feed them to the volcano god!!!!!11

seriously, these people are obviously terrorists hiding in a sleeper cell waiting to trigger volcanic eruptions in the US. they should be executed after a short military trial.


Oh absolutely! just like I've said all along, the 6 million latinos here illegally are just that as well. Sleeper
cell terrorists waiting to unleash the great "Taco War" and bring down those giants of American enterprise,
Taco Bell and DelTaco. And I don't see any volcanos threatening to inundate the entire country of Mexico.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Zephyr106
A temporary protected status is just that: temporary. Why should we have to provide for these refugees. Let them go to socialist Yurope if your hearts bleed so much.

Zephyr

Maybe you didn't notice that at least one of them has become a productive, if temporary member of society. You aren't necessarily providing for them.

I hope they are able to stay where they have ended up; I know most western nations have refugees who for various reasons have never been able to return home.

If the government wants them out so badly, the least they could have done is try to find them somewhere safe to go on a permanent basis. If the situation hasn't improved, what's the trigger for sending them back?

DHS wants them to go to the UK.
 

ciba

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So 10 years later their "temporary" status is revoked and you get upset? Excuse me?

They have had 10 years to apply for permanent work status.

They have had 10 years to make a move to the UK.
 

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Originally posted by: ciba
So 10 years later their "temporary" status is revoked and you get upset? Excuse me?

They have had 10 years to apply for permanent work status.

They have had 10 years to make a move to the UK.

Can they apply for permanent work status when they're already on this temporary refugee status?
 

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Doesn't Bush's own immigration policy state that 'illegal' immigrants who currently live in the US, obey the law, and pay taxes can become permanent citizens of this country? How is this a far cry from that scenario? .... oh yeah thats right, these people care much more about hispanic votes than west indian-american votes.
 

ciba

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Can they apply for permanent work status when they're already on this temporary refugee status?

I'm pretty sure you can. I had customers when I worked in "branch land" at a bank that had come over seeking asylum (they were somali) and stayed on work visas. This is a good question if anyone has been through this that can answer.
 
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If three of his children are born in the US, can't the guy in the article apply for anything to become a US citizen?
 

maluckey

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No, that's not the law.

These people had ten years to legally apply for relief, but felt it not in their best interest, or not important enough to do so. I have no more pity for them than for the 6 million Mexican Illegals.
 

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Originally posted by: maluckey
No, that's not the law.

These people had ten years to legally apply for relief, but felt it not in their best interest, or not important enough to do so. I have no more pity for them than for the 6 million Mexican Illegals.

Can you apply for relief when you've already been declared a temporary refugee?
 

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: maluckey
No, that's not the law.

These people had ten years to legally apply for relief, but felt it not in their best interest, or not important enough to do so. I have no more pity for them than for the 6 million Mexican Illegals.

Can you apply for relief when you've already been declared a temporary refugee?

I would have to say no. I have gone through a similar process here in Canada and you had to follow a certain "path" in the system. In my case the only way we got off the bandwagon is because my mom married but even after that it wasn't that simple.

Some of the laws are kinda retarded. There's one that states that you cannot "legally" work in Canada if you do not come through specifically on a work VISA. If you don't you must wait 2 years. This is true even if you marry.

The whole process is insanely complicated. It's not as simple as some of you make it out to be.

I should know since I been through it.

So watch it before you call some immigrant a lazy a$$ for not working because that "may be" exactly what they are supposed to be doing according to the law. It's retarded but that's the way it is.
 

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Originally posted by: maluckey
No, that's not the law.

These people had ten years to legally apply for relief, but felt it not in their best interest, or not important enough to do so. I have no more pity for them than for the 6 million Mexican Illegals.

you're kidding yourself if you think there are only 6 million Mexican illegals in this country.
 

maluckey

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Ethex

LOL! You're right, there are more, but to avoid the inevitable bleeding heart attacks, I keep my estimates low.

Aelius,

Having worked in Immigration on the Southern Land Border as an Inspector for 5 years, I can tell you the system in the United States is flawed, but in the favor of the illegals. In this instance they first had to apply for relief from their temporary status before they could apply for work status. Their temporary status would likely require them tho return to their country to await any decision in this matter anyways. The temporary status was given as just that.....temporary. They were never told that they could stay. Even if they married a U.S. cirizen, there would be no guarantee of relief from return to their own country. It was fairly common to find husbands or wives of U.S. citizens being smuggled into the country because they had no legal status here.

The Bush plan is very vague, perhaps intentionally. It merely allows aliens without convictions or violations, despite their current status, to apply for work permits. This has already been in action for years. It's similar to the U.S. Army "Don't Ask; Don't Tell" program. So long as there is no "proof" they are illegal, they are generally granted the permit.
 

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Let's try this piece of BS hypocrisy pie . . . we are willing to blow billions a month to "liberate" Iraqis . . . and then build a "nation". We waste millions trying to get more Cubans to revolt against Castro . . . or better yet . . . come to America and vote Republican. We waste millions trying to keep Haitians from fleeing their "living Hell" . . . or at least fleeing to America. We ignore Tibet. We ignore Chechnya. We trip over ourselves trying to "buy" access to Equatorial Guinea . . . talk about oppressive regimes.

But a few hundred refugees from a natural disaster are getting the boot . . . what a country!:disgust::(
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Let's try this piece of BS hypocrisy pie . . . we are willing to blow billions a month to "liberate" Iraqis . . . and then build a "nation". We waste millions trying to get more Cubans to revolt against Castro . . . or better yet . . . come to America and vote Republican. We waste millions trying to keep Haitians from fleeing their "living Hell" . . . or at least fleeing to America. We ignore Tibet. We ignore Chechnya. We trip over ourselves trying to "buy" access to Equatorial Guinea . . . talk about oppressive regimes.

But a few hundred refugees from a natural disaster are getting the boot . . . what a country!:disgust::(

I think they'll eventually be allowed to live here. Public opinion seems to be drifting that way and they're gaining allies in the government. I hope it's just a technical/legal problem. We're importing in a theoretically unlimited number of Russian persecuted minorities with the government and charity groups paying for millions upon millions of dollars, but we can't just instantly grant citizenship/residency to a couple hundred of people who are already established in the US? It's just ridiculous.

I read that they have another problem. Technically, they had to flee straight to the UK instead of the US or anywhere else if they were to be granted UK citizenship and live there.