Deportation of illegal immigrants increases under Obama administration

[IndyColtsFan]

Shut up you liar. Everybody knows that dirty brown African born Muslim Obama lets in more illegal’s and is doing nothing about it at all. WE need Bush and republicans back so they can keep doing the upstanding job they have been doing for so long.

/neocon


Whonder how Fox and other nuts will spin this.


"The pace of company audits has roughly quadrupled since President George W. Bush's final year in office."

Get rid of the jobs and many will not come.

I don't care who spins what how, but I have to say :thumbsup:. They need to keep it up.

 

[Athena]

The WP article I posted and linked says that the Obama Adminstration has DEPORTED over 600,000 illegal immigrants with over 40% are criminals since June 7 2010.

I'm sorry but I can't believe that over half a million people have been deported in the last six weeks. Are you sure that wasn't the total as of June 7?

 

[PokerGuy]

Taking on the problem at the jobs level is a good component, but it won't stop people from jumping over the border to have an anchor baby.

 

[PokerGuy]

I'm sorry but I can't believe that over half a million people have been deported in the last six weeks. Are you sure that wasn't the total as of June 7?

He's full of crap, of course. 600,000 in six weeks. Riiiiiiiiight.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Audit vs action.

They have 240K illegals identified via crimminal actions and have only kicked out 30K (by their numbers) - why are any of them still here?

Serving time? - if so; the day they have completed that sentence - pack them up.

The WP article I posted and linked says that the Obama Adminstration has DEPORTED over 600,000 illegal immigrants with over 40% are criminals since June 7 2010.

I can not locate your 600K number within the article.

What I see is that they anticipate 400K deportations this year and that is the maximum their system can handle.

The government has for '09 and up until June '10 deported 600K

Yet there are more than 400K coming in each year.

 

[MJinZ]

You don't. People like to point out the big offenders from a racial standpoint of hispanics. There are a lot of people from all races and colors who are here illegally. You can not scrunitize whole people groups based on race irregardless of the intentions. This will go down just like the racial profiling on the NJ turnpike.

Actually, you're ... just wrong.

It's simple numbers and statistics. Most illegals are Hispanics. There aren't "a lot of people" from all races who are here illegally, only Hispanics.

Out of 100 illegal immigrants, if statistically - 90 are Hispanics, it's obviously an easy job to focus on removing illegals by going through the Hispanics first.

 

[Svnla]

No one with the right mind will say it is all BO fault. This ILLEGAL immigration problem has been going on for years (remember the Reagan 1986 Amnesty?). BOTH sides are pandering => Demo - votes, Repub - cheap labor.

Time to enforce CURRENT (on the book) immigration FEDERAL law. Now!!!!!

I and millions of LEGAL immigrants get here the right way, the LEGAL way. Everyone should be REQUIRED to do the same. NO MORE Amnesty, NO MORE paths to citizenship for ILLEGALS. NO MORE anchor babies. PERIOD!!!

 

[classy]

Actually, you're ... just wrong.

It's simple numbers and statistics. Most illegals are Hispanics. There aren't "a lot of people" from all races who are here illegally, only Hispanics.

Out of 100 illegal immigrants, if statistically - 90 are Hispanics, it's obviously an easy job to focus on removing illegals by going through the Hispanics first.

Man why is it so hard for peeps to understand, you can't make public policy to scrutinize whole people groups based soley on race. We don't have a national ID system, we are not required to have on our person proof we are US citizens at all times. Until that day, the constitution says all are created equal and not are not subjected to unlawful search and seizure. You can't operate through a policy that clearly will lead to discrimnation and violate at least those two rights. Mark my words, this policy will go down in flames. Obama is taking the right approach here. Stop the enablers of illegals and you'll shut down the issue.

 

[Athena]

You don't. People like to point out the big offenders from a racial standpoint of hispanics. There are a lot of people from all races and colors who are here illegally. You can not scrunitize whole people groups based on race irregardless of the intentions.

This is important. The general public tends to underestimate the number of people from both Europe and Asia who are here illegally. More illegal residents enter legally (e.g. via airplanes as tourists) than cross the southern desert. And the smuggling of Asians via containers continues to grow.

That only says though that you can't control immigration through racial profiling and that enforcement shouldn't be racially biased. It's a fact that in the southwest, hispanics constitute the majority of illegal residents. Of course hispanics also constitute a significant proportion of the citizens in the area so looking for hispanics doesn't do much in terms of identifying illegal residents.

 

[MJinZ]

Man why is it so hard for peeps to understand, you can't make public policy to scrutinize whole people groups based soley on race. We don't have a national ID system, we are not required to have on our person proof we are US citizens at all times. Until that day, the constitution says all are created equal and not are not subjected to unlawful search and seizure. You can't operate through a policy that clearly will lead to discrimnation and violate at least those two rights. Mark my words, this policy will go down in flames. Obama is taking the right approach here. Stop the enablers of illegals and you'll shut down the issue.

Correct - I already said that it is not PC.

But it is what works.

 

[CallMeJoe]

This is important. The general public tends to underestimate the number of people from both Europe and Asia who are here illegally. More illegal residents enter legally (e.g. via airplanes as tourists) than cross the southern desert. And the smuggling of Asians via containers continues to grow.
That only says though that you can't control immigration through racial profiling and that enforcement shouldn't be racially biased. It's a fact that in the southwest, hispanics constitute the majority of illegal residents. Of course hispanics also constitute a significant proportion of the citizens in the area so looking for hispanics doesn't do much in terms of identifying illegal residents.

Hispanics constitute the most readily visible portion of illegal immigrants nationwide and so become the focus of the anti-illegal activists. The prevalence of a highly audible Spanish-language minority also reinforces this image.

 

[Athena]

Actually, you're ... just wrong.

It's simple numbers and statistics. Most illegals are Hispanics. There aren't "a lot of people" from all races who are here illegally, only Hispanics.

Out of 100 illegal immigrants, if statistically - 90 are Hispanics, it's obviously an easy job to focus on removing illegals by going through the Hispanics first.

Where do you get these statistics? Do you realize that most of the illegal residents in this country are "overstayers"...that they came in on airplanes with legitimate tourist visas and never left? Hispanics constitute just over 1/3 of the total number of illegal residents nationwide.

This is a big problem and misrepresenting the facts doesn't get us any closer to solving it.

 

[xj0hnx]

nvm

 

[OutHouse]

Where do you get these statistics? Do you realize that most of the illegal residents in this country are "overstayers"...that they came in on airplanes with legitimate tourist visas and never left? Hispanics constitute just over 1/3 of the total number of illegal residents nationwide.

This is a big problem and misrepresenting the facts doesn't get us any closer to solving it.

most of the illegals are from expired visas? lol i call bullshit.

 

[xj0hnx]

Where do you get these statistics? Do you realize that most of the illegal residents in this country are "overstayers"...that they came in on airplanes with legitimate tourist visas and never left? Hispanics constitute just over 1/3 of the total number of illegal residents nationwide.

This is a big problem and misrepresenting the facts doesn't get us any closer to solving it.

I believe the number is closer to 57% are from Mexico, with smaller percentages being from other South American countries.

We don't have a national ID system, we are not required to have on our person proof we are US citizens at all times.

Immigrants do.

 

[werepossum]

The WP article I posted and linked says that the Obama Adminstration has DEPORTED over 600,000 illegal immigrants with over 40% are criminals since June 7 2010.

Perhaps you should have someone read your articles to you and explain the hard parts. LOL

From your article:
deportations:
Year.....Total.........Criminal
2008.....369,221.....114,415 (31%)
2009.....387,790.....136,126 (35%)
2010*...227,163.....113,453 (50%)

* Projected

And to quote:

The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency expects to deport about 400,000 people this fiscal year, nearly 10 percent above the Bush administration's 2008 total and 25 percent more than were deported in 2007. The pace of company audits has roughly quadrupled since President George W. Bush's final year in office.

You say they've "DEPORTED over 600,000 illegal immigrants with over 40% are criminals since June 7 2010." The WAPO "journalist" says over 400,000 projected for fiscal year 2010. But even setting aside that gross difference, the conditions have changed which make it difficult to truly judge the matter.

Morton said the 400,000 people expected to be deported this year -- either physically removed or allowed to leave on their own power -- represent the maximum the overburdened processing, detention and immigration court system can handle.

The Obama administration has been moving away from using work-site raids to target employers. Just 765 undocumented workers have been arrested at their jobs this fiscal year, compared with 5,100 in 2008, according to Department of Homeland Security figures. Instead, officers have increased employer audits, studying the employee documentation of 2,875 companies suspected of hiring illegal workers and assessing $6.4 million in fines.

Under Bush, the feds raided businesses and arrested illegals who were then either deported or allowed to remain. Under Obama, the feds increasingly audit the companies' payrolls and fine them. This is fine and good, but sending a deportation order to an illegal does not necessarily equal an illegal "allowed to leave on [his] own power." It's possible that Obama has deported more illegals than did Bush (a damned low bar) but due to the kinder, gentler deportation process it's hardly clear that this is the case at all.

Kudos to Obama for concentrating on felons, although ALL illegal felons should be deported rather than just "the worst". But even if he were serious, deporting (even physically removing) felons and other illegals is mostly mental masturbation or circuses for the dumb masses as long as our border is so porous that they can easily slip right back in.

 

[blackangst1]

This is important. The general public tends to underestimate the number of people from both Europe and Asia who are here illegally. More illegal residents enter legally (e.g. via airplanes as tourists) than cross the southern desert. And the smuggling of Asians via containers continues to grow.

Yep. There was a report from 2006 here in AZ that showed illegal smuggling from China has increased 10x over the last 10 years.

That only says though that you can't control immigration through racial profiling and that enforcement shouldn't be racially biased. It's a fact that in the southwest, hispanics constitute the majority of illegal residents. Of course hispanics also constitute a significant proportion of the citizens in the area so looking for hispanics doesn't do much in terms of identifying illegal residents.

Good thing 1070 specifically outlaws racial profiling!

 

[Athena]

most of the illegals are from expired visas? lol i call bullshit.

In other words, you don't know what you are talking about and don't want to be informed. In 2008, over 2.9 million tourists entered and never left. That's far more than managed to sneak across the desert in the same year and the cumulative total constitute almost half of those currently residing here illegally. Furthermore, a DHS survey of legally resident aliens, found that about 1/3 were previously illegal and many of those had been visa overstayers.

Modes of Entry for the Unauthorized Migrant Population - http://pewhispanic.org/factsheets/factsheet.php?FactsheetID=19 That's a 4-year old study.

David Seminara, a former State Department official, published an interesting paper 2 years ago that illustrated how the higher the proportion of visas issued, the more likely the country was to be represented in the illegal resident population.

No Coyote Needed: U.S. Visas Still an Easy Ticket in Developing Countries
http://www.cis.org/us_visas_still_easy_to_get.html

"Comprehensive" immigration reform doesn't mean one from column A (border enforcement) and one from column B (amnestry), it should be about looking at the whole picture and changing everything about the way we manage immigration in this country.

 

[blackangst1]

Where do you get these statistics? Do you realize that most of the illegal residents in this country are "overstayers"...that they came in on airplanes with legitimate tourist visas and never left? Hispanics constitute just over 1/3 of the total number of illegal residents nationwide.

This is a big problem and misrepresenting the facts doesn't get us any closer to solving it.

1/3? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States

According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, in 2005, 57% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico; 24% were from other Latin American countries, primarily from Central America;[3] 9% were from Asia; 6% were from Europe; and 4% were from the rest of the world

57+24 = 81% hispanic approx. A little more than a third. You have to remember Mexico also get the most visa's than any other country.

To reitterate your post

misrepresenting the facts doesn't get us any closer to solving it.

 

[Athena]

Good thing 1070 specifically outlaws racial profiling!

I don't think that's possible. I think it's going to be like the "Stop, Question, and Frisk" program in NYC that ends up stopping vastly more people of color in some neighborhoods under circumstances that would be completely ignored in others.

FWIW, I think the Feds are woefully misdirected when it comes to Arizona. Instead of challenging the law under the bogus "premption" theory, they should just set up shop and proscute racial profiling if/when it occurs...IMO.

 

[xj0hnx]

I don't think that's possible. I think it's going to be like the "Stop, Question, and Frisk" program in NYC that ends up stopping vastly more people of color in some neighborhoods under circumstances that would be completely ignored in others.

And what were the crime rates in those neighborhoods?

 

[ayabe]

I don't think that's possible. I think it's going to be like the "Stop, Question, and Frisk" program in NYC that ends up stopping vastly more people of color in some neighborhoods under circumstances that would be completely ignored in others.

FWIW, I think the Feds are woefully misdirected when it comes to Arizona. Instead of challenging the law under the bogus "premption" theory, they should just set up shop and proscute racial profiling if/when it occurs...IMO.

It's all in how it's worded. The law spells out racial profiling to a T, then states that racial profiling will not be tolerated.

It's sort of like how waterboarding is torture and has always been defined as such, until it wasn't anymore because the US doesn't engage in torture.

 

[Athena]

1/3? 57+24 = 81% hispanic approx. A ...assets/statistics/publications/ni_fr_2009.pdf

It also shows that while the numbers are smaller, there's been significant growth in the illegal population from the India, the Phillipines, and Korea.

The Wikipedia article also reiterate the other part of my argument -- that fully 1/2 of the illegals came here legally ( which does not include who eventually got green cards but started out illegal). If we want to control illegal immigration, we have to actually control all immigration.

 

[Throckmorton]

Perhaps you should have someone read your articles to you and explain the hard parts. LOL

From your article:
deportations:
Year.....Total.........Criminal
2008.....369,221.....114,415 (31%)
2009.....387,790.....136,126 (35%)
2010*...227,163.....113,453 (50%)

* Projected

And to quote:

You say they've "DEPORTED over 600,000 illegal immigrants with over 40% are criminals since June 7 2010." The WAPO "journalist" says over 400,000 projected for fiscal year 2010. But even setting aside that gross difference, the conditions have changed which make it difficult to truly judge the matter.


Under Bush, the feds raided businesses and arrested illegals who were then either deported or allowed to remain. Under Obama, the feds increasingly audit the companies' payrolls and fine them. This is fine and good, but sending a deportation order to an illegal does not necessarily equal an illegal "allowed to leave on [his] own power." It's possible that Obama has deported more illegals than did Bush (a damned low bar) but due to the kinder, gentler deportation process it's hardly clear that this is the case at all.

Kudos to Obama for concentrating on felons, although ALL illegal felons should be deported rather than just "the worst". But even if he were serious, deporting (even physically removing) felons and other illegals is mostly mental masturbation or circuses for the dumb masses as long as our border is so porous that they can easily slip right back in.

Uh isn't it obvious that he just mistyped and meant "AS OF JUNE 7TH"?

 

[Athena]

Taking on the problem at the jobs level is a good component, but it won't stop people from jumping over the border to have an anchor baby.

Again, that's not just a problem with hispanics. There is a thriving west coast industry for Koreans who rent apartments for the final 4-5 months of pregnancy to have anchor babies.