Department of Defense to be called Department of War

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nakedfrog

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I certainly hope identifying as the Secretary of War affirms Hegseth's gender, far be it for me to deny him his preferred name. I do wonder if he'd be happier identifying as an attack helicopter.
 
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This is a big nothingburder.

Its still the Department of Defense, Trump is just trying to aura farm.

This Presidency is just classic style over substance, you know the thought process was "If we call him the Secretary of War it'll be easier to bully other countries without having to actually, you know, do anything!"
I don't think wasting millions upon millions of dollars trying to rebrand an agency is necessarily a nothingburger.

Also, what we call things ultimately influences what we want them to do.
 
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nickqt

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I don't think wasting millions upon millions of dollars trying to rebrand an agency is necessarily a nothingburger.

Also, what we call things ultimately influences what we want them to do.
The same President renaming the Department of Defense to the Department of War also has all of his sycophants trying to get him a Nobel Peace Prize.

War is Peace. It's brilliant.
 

trenchfoot

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May as well call it the Dept. of Trump's Egotistically Inflated Imagination. He really is a decrepit pitiful coward skulking behind that hoax Madison Ave. built persona he's so manically sensitive and protective of.
 

pmv

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I don't understand the business of it being _legally_ still the Department of Defence, because that's the law, that Trump's executive orders can't change (because of the separation of powers thing, ultimately), but he _can_ have all the stationary and documents and signage replaced to say "Department of War".
Surely that creates a potential problem, as how can any of those documents and so on then be legally valid? Couldn't someone at some point challenge some regulation or order given using that terminology and point out that it has no legal force because it has the wrong organizational name on it? If not, then what is the point of having a legal name at all?
 
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trenchfoot

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The same President renaming the Department of Defense to the Department of War also has all of his sycophants trying to get him a Nobel Peace Prize.

War is Peace. It's brilliant.

The whole Trump experience is a contradiction in and of itself. He is the president yet he doesn't behave like one, the party he leads says they are the party of family values (ie. - the Trump Crime Family Organization), small gov't, (by wrecking it and dismembering into an exclusively limited Billionaire's Club) fiscal conservancy (by cutting off essential services to the working class and transferring the bulk of the treasury we taxpayers pay into over to the oligarch class).

Most every program, act and executive order coming out of Trump's regime is a complete contradiction in the way they name it so as to disguise it's true intent.

And all of it, and I really do mean all of this smoke, mirrors and magic illusions Trump and the Republicans put up are meant to hide the one actual true fact of the whole reason Trump, his acolytes and the oligarch enablers are in it to own it is that the gov't that was supposed to be in, of and by the people is one big cash grab by the folks who made a living being above the law.
 

nickqt

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The whole Trump experience is a contradiction in and of itself. He is the president yet he doesn't behave like one, the party he leads says they are the party of family values (ie. - the Trump Crime Family Organization), small gov't, (by wrecking it and dismembering into an exclusively limited Billionaire's Club) fiscal conservancy (by cutting off essential services to the working class and transferring the bulk of the treasury we taxpayers pay into over to the oligarch class).

Most every program, act and executive order coming out of Trump's regime is a complete contradiction in the way they name it so as to disguise it's true intent.

And all of it, and I really do mean all of this smoke, mirrors and magic illusions Trump and the Republicans put up are meant to hide the one actual true fact of the whole reason Trump, his acolytes and the oligarch enablers are in it to own it is that the gov't that was supposed to be in, of and by the people is one big cash grab by the folks who made a living being above the law.
They are destroying any semblance of US government legitimacy so that our oligarchs can buy up the pieces and run their own fiefdoms.

So, in a sense, this is all about small government, or should I say, many small governments.

The US as an Empire is being wound down and sold off so that Musk and Thiel and the rest can run their private cities paying their serfs in whatever crypto they have the biggest stake in. Meet your quota and your blockchain script becomes active instantly, how efficient.
 

ivwshane

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I don't understand the business of it being _legally_ still the Department of Defence, because that's the law, that Trump's executive orders can't change (because of the separation of powers thing, ultimately), but he _can_ have all the stationary and documents and signage replaced to say "Department of War".
Surely that creates a potential problem, as how can any of those documents and so on then be legally valid? Couldn't someone at some point challenge some regulation or order given using that terminology and point out that it has no legal force because it has the wrong organizational name on it? If not, then what is the point of having a legal name at all?

What you are learning is that a society only functions as long as its inhabitants agree to follow the rules it has created. Our government is the glue that holds us together and when that fails to follow the rules then a collapse is almost certainly eminent.
 

hal2kilo

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Actually, why would any country invite America's Secretary of War? The Secretary of Defense might help them protect themselves. The Secretary of War might be looking to destroy them. Trump is such a short sighted imbecile.
As I've stated before, diplomacy is a mystery for Trump.
 
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Pens1566

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I bet he's calling them all back just so they can all bring him the required bottle of alcohol from wherever they're actually stationed.
 
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Pens1566

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Or hoping to find out just who and how loyal they are. Expect to see a lot of resignations.

I doubt there will be any over something as trivial as this.

We haven't seen any (yet) over the drone strikes in the Gulf of Mexico. A much bigger issue for some of the brass, I'm sure.
 

GodisanAtheist

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Or hoping to find out just who and how loyal they are. Expect to see a lot of resignations.

- Yep, it's going to be a "sign loyalty pledge 'to the constitution [lol actually Trump]" session.

When MAGA does their alternate slates of electors thing again and things get messy, admin is going to only want the military staffed with loyalists that aren't going to refuse to follow orders.

A storm's a commin' folks!
 

pauldun170

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In a fictional novel, the bs keggsgoth is going to put these people through would be bait to see if any of them start getting "coup" on the brain.

Once identified, there would be a purge.
 

gothuevos

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- Yep, it's going to be a "sign loyalty pledge 'to the constitution [lol actually Trump]" session.

When MAGA does their alternate slates of electors thing again and things get messy, admin is going to only want the military staffed with loyalists that aren't going to refuse to follow orders.

A storm's a commin' folks!

sToP DoOmInG
 
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IronWing

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What battle? Wounded Knee was a massacre carried out in implementing a policy of genocide.