Denver legalizes marijuana!

[MX2]

The vote to legalize doesnt matter apparently. Just saw on the local news that they have decided to "sidestep" the vote and prosecute under state laws anyways.

So much for democracy:roll:

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: jdurg
What about the parent who decided to go shoot heroin instead of paying for their kid's visit to the doctor? How about your babysitter using cocaine instead of showing up to babysit your child?

A well thought-out post.

That said...

What about the people who have gambling problems (I'm not saying it's an illness, mind you) and can't afford bills (mortgage, electric, water, education)? What about the babysitters who do ANYTHING instead of showing up to babysit? Like watching TV, for instance?

 

[YoshiSato]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
They can't reverse federal law witha local election, so it's almost meaningless, I think. Am I wrong?

Your right they can't reverse federal law. Federal Agents can still arrest your sorry butt and put in your federal court even though the local cops may not assist in the issue.. Also the city is opening them self up to some serious federal aid cuts for violating federal law.

What is going to be very interesting is how the Feds will react to more and more citys telling them to go shove their laws up their rears. I recall the president sending in national gurad troops back in the 60's when a state refused to comply with federal law.

 

[YoshiSato]

Originally posted by: MX2times
The vote to legalize doesnt matter apparently. Just saw on the local news that they have decided to "sidestep" the vote and prosecute under state laws anyways.

So much for democracy:roll:

Actually that's federalism. City law is overruled by State law. State Law is overruled by Federal Law. Federal Law is overruled by Constitutional Law.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: jdurg
Now someone else in the thread said that "Personal Freedom" should allow them to use any drug they want in the privacy of their own home. However, one thing 'Personal Freedom' doesn't allow you to do is infringe on my personal freedoms. Things are made illegal because their use affects not only those who are using them, but those who are around them.

No, things are made illegals because somebody stands to profit somewhere in it's illegality.

What about the parent who decided to go shoot heroin instead of paying for their kid's visit to the doctor?

For one thing, that's already covered under child abuse laws. For another, there are parents who ignore their kids a million other ways including gambling, video games, alcohol, or any other activity that is more interesting than the kids.

How about your babysitter using cocaine instead of showing up to babysit your child?

Don't hire a cokehead to babysit? Fact is, the babysitter can do that right now. The difference is that you probably won't know about it. Due to the illegality, drug use is kept hidden. If it were legal, you'd be more likely to know who was using and who wasn't, as people would be more open about it.

There are many more cases where someone 'doing something in their own home' severely affects more than just themselves.

But unless the affect is criminal, it's none of your damn business.

You can't pass a law saying 'you can do anything you want as long as you're single and don't have kids'. That's just not feasible.

Why not? Why is it any of your business what somebody does in their own home if it doesn't affect you?

Whether these are laws we agree with or not doesn't matter.

Actually, it does matter. Society is the law. People like you who feel that society is something to be built around the ideals of some ivory tower busybodies are a plague. Without the support of the people that laws govern, no law would exist. The law only exists because the governed permit it to.

Society as a whole is far more important than any of us are as individuals.

And to that I say "Buuuuullshit!" If society takes precedence over my happiness, why would I want to be a part of society? The individual does not exist to serve society.

In 100 years, none of us will be on this planet, but the decisions we make and the things we do will affect the lives of those who are here. Society is never ending, individual humans are. So think about that the next time you cry out about your 'Personal Freedom'.

You and HeroOfPellinor deserve each other. I hope you both rot in hell.

 

[BrokenVisage]

This is a giant leap in the quest to dehypnotize the American public on the truth behind Marijuana..

 

[meltdown75]

good post jdurg. :beer:

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
The repercussions for banning pot are a bunch of pissed off hippies in panchos sitting around trying to come up with something herb related that rhyhms with Cheney for their next picket sign.

No, the REAL repercussions are millions of taxpayer dollars wasted trying to police a drug that is less harmful than alcohol PLUS millions of potential dollars from taxing marijuana sales lost.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
good post jdurg. :beer:

Yeah, great post. If you're a fascist.

What is with people that are against personal freedom? I don't get it.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: meltdown75
good post jdurg. :beer:

Yeah, great post. If you're a fascist.

What is with people that are against personal freedom? I don't get it.

actually i just appreciated the info in that post. i was aware of many of the facts, but it was just a nice rehash (*cough no pun intended cough cough*).

i'm not against personal freedoms. i like to blaze in my garage once in a while. it is a personal freedom that i enjoy with my personal stash. :evil: 😛

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: jdurg
Now someone else in the thread said that "Personal Freedom" should allow them to use any drug they want in the privacy of their own home. However, one thing 'Personal Freedom' doesn't allow you to do is infringe on my personal freedoms. Things are made illegal because their use affects not only those who are using them, but those who are around them. What about the parent who decided to go shoot heroin instead of paying for their kid's visit to the doctor? How about your babysitter using cocaine instead of showing up to babysit your child? There are many more cases where someone 'doing something in their own home' severely affects more than just themselves. You can't pass a law saying 'you can do anything you want as long as you're single and don't have kids'. That's just not feasible. Whether these are laws we agree with or not doesn't matter. Society as a whole is far more important than any of us are as individuals. In 100 years, none of us will be on this planet, but the decisions we make and the things we do will affect the lives of those who are here. Society is never ending, individual humans are. So think about that the next time you cry out about your 'Personal Freedom'.

The "think of the children" arguement huh?
We never see that one.

All drug prohibition has done is cost us money, fill up our prisons, and restrict our personal rights. You would think we learned something from that similar experiment with alcohol, but apparently not.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: meltdown75
good post jdurg. :beer:

Yeah, great post. If you're a fascist.

What is with people that are against personal freedom? I don't get it.

actually i just appreciated the info in that post. i was aware of many of the facts, but it was just a nice rehash (*cough no pun intended cough cough*).

i'm not against personal freedoms. i like to blaze in my garage once in a while. it is a personal freedom that i enjoy with my personal stash. :evil: 😛

Gotcha. My bad. 🙂

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: meltdown75
good post jdurg. :beer:

Yeah, great post. If you're a fascist.

What is with people that are against personal freedom? I don't get it.

actually i just appreciated the info in that post. i was aware of many of the facts, but it was just a nice rehash (*cough no pun intended cough cough*).

i'm not against personal freedoms. i like to blaze in my garage once in a while. it is a personal freedom that i enjoy with my personal stash. :evil: 😛

Prohibition failed, and the "War on Drugs" is a laughable failure. They need to manufacturer and regulate, including taxing all narcotics. We spend a fortune to fight drug trafficking, and the drugs still move across our borders. When need to implement systems in a sane approach to put these drug cartels out of business permenantly. It the same thing with guns, banning certain weapons will not stop criminals from possessing such devices.

It all comes down to *Personal Responsibility* on all of these matters. Regardless of whats being consumed. Personal Responsibility and accountability of the particpants is paramount to making these activities work. It's what seperates the alcoholic from the social drinker. The smoker from the pothead. It clearly depends on the individual to have an understanding on when enough is enough. When laws are put in place to take away that responsibility, that is clearly a personal rights infringement. Lawmakers are basically saying, we don't trust you so we won't let you. Back to Prohibition, anyone?

Take my tax money that is being tossed into the gutter and go do something more useful. How about beefing up border security and the immigration process?

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: TGS

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: meltdown75
good post jdurg. :beer:

Yeah, great post. If you're a fascist.

What is with people that are against personal freedom? I don't get it.

actually i just appreciated the info in that post. i was aware of many of the facts, but it was just a nice rehash (*cough no pun intended cough cough*).

i'm not against personal freedoms. i like to blaze in my garage once in a while. it is a personal freedom that i enjoy with my personal stash. :evil: 😛

Prohibition failed, and the "War on Drugs" is a laughable failure. They need to manufacturer and regulate, including taxing all narcotics. We spend a fortune to fight drug trafficking, and the drugs still move across our borders. When need to implement systems in a sane approach to put these drug cartels out of business permenantly. It the same thing with guns, banning certain weapons will not stop criminals from possessing such devices.

It all comes down to *Personal Responsibility* on all of these matters. Regardless of whats being consumed. Personal Responsibility and accountability of the particpants is paramount to making these activities work. It's what seperates the alcoholic from the social drinker. The smoker from the pothead. It clearly depends on the individual to have an understanding on when enough is enough. When laws are put in place to take away that responsibility, that is clearly a personal rights infringement. Lawmakers are basically saying, we don't trust you so we won't let you. Back to Prohibition, anyone?

Take my tax money that is being tossed into the gutter and go do something more useful. How about beefing up border security and the immigration process?

or, using said tax money for social spending on programs to treat & educate hardcore addicts. the possibilities are limitless really. but that evil evil weed, just gotta keep it down. legalization... hmm - like jdurg said we just don't know enough about it to go this far (in my opinion). but decriminalization, maybe...

 

[MaxDSP]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: jdurg
Now someone else in the thread said that "Personal Freedom" should allow them to use any drug they want in the privacy of their own home. However, one thing 'Personal Freedom' doesn't allow you to do is infringe on my personal freedoms. Things are made illegal because their use affects not only those who are using them, but those who are around them.

No, things are made illegals because somebody stands to profit somewhere in it's illegality.

What about the parent who decided to go shoot heroin instead of paying for their kid's visit to the doctor?

For one thing, that's already covered under child abuse laws. For another, there are parents who ignore their kids a million other ways including gambling, video games, alcohol, or any other activity that is more interesting than the kids.

How about your babysitter using cocaine instead of showing up to babysit your child?

Don't hire a cokehead to babysit? Fact is, the babysitter can do that right now. The difference is that you probably won't know about it. Due to the illegality, drug use is kept hidden. If it were legal, you'd be more likely to know who was using and who wasn't, as people would be more open about it.

There are many more cases where someone 'doing something in their own home' severely affects more than just themselves.

But unless the affect is criminal, it's none of your damn business.

You can't pass a law saying 'you can do anything you want as long as you're single and don't have kids'. That's just not feasible.

Why not? Why is it any of your business what somebody does in their own home if it doesn't affect you?

Whether these are laws we agree with or not doesn't matter.

Actually, it does matter. Society is the law. People like you who feel that society is something to be built around the ideals of some ivory tower busybodies are a plague. Without the support of the people that laws govern, no law would exist. The law only exists because the governed permit it to.

Society as a whole is far more important than any of us are as individuals.

And to that I say "Buuuuullshit!" If society takes precedence over my happiness, why would I want to be a part of society? The individual does not exist to serve society.

In 100 years, none of us will be on this planet, but the decisions we make and the things we do will affect the lives of those who are here. Society is never ending, individual humans are. So think about that the next time you cry out about your 'Personal Freedom'.

You and HeroOfPellinor deserve each other. I hope you both rot in hell.

:beer::thumbsup: for BoberFett...saved me a lot of typing 😀

 

[MaxDSP]

bumpage for some mo' ownage

 

[Ornery]

"To prohibit adults from making the rational, safer choice to use marijuana is bad public policy."

1. FVCKIN' EH! :thumbsup:

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: jdurg
Now someone else in the thread said that "Personal Freedom" should allow them to use any drug they want in the privacy of their own home. However, one thing 'Personal Freedom' doesn't allow you to do is infringe on my personal freedoms. Things are made illegal because their use affects not only those who are using them, but those who are around them. What about the parent who decided to go shoot heroin instead of paying for their kid's visit to the doctor? How about your babysitter using cocaine instead of showing up to babysit your child? There are many more cases where someone 'doing something in their own home' severely affects more than just themselves. You can't pass a law saying 'you can do anything you want as long as you're single and don't have kids'. That's just not feasible. Whether these are laws we agree with or not doesn't matter. Society as a whole is far more important than any of us are as individuals. In 100 years, none of us will be on this planet, but the decisions we make and the things we do will affect the lives of those who are here. Society is never ending, individual humans are. So think about that the next time you cry out about your 'Personal Freedom'.

this thread is about weed, i find it interesting you used heroin & coke for examples. you could have just as easily said, "the pot smoker that forgets to do something..." etc.

insofar as personal freedoms go, we have the personal freedom to reach into our beer fridge and have a cold one. weed would be more comparable to this as opposed to shooting up or snorting a line.

again, good post though - thanks for sharing :beer:

 

[squirrel dog]

Its been shown to cure boredom . Think of the tax harvest for the politicos . The tax on cigs and booze is insane,can you see the tax on weed ?

 

[KristopherKubicki]

I was going to move to Dubai or Shanghai - but it looks like Denver is back in the running again. Now all they need is a not to retarded airport.

Kristopher

 

[Pocatello]

Well now, it's time for me to pay a visit to my long lost cousins in Denver, it's been a while.

 

[gtx4u]

Can marijuana cause any health problems?....

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: gtx4u
Can marijuana cause any health problems?....

Your lungs were not designed to inhale smoke.

Too much of ANYTHING can cause health problems.

Burgers, cigarettes, alcohol, marijuana, soda, vicodin.

 

[Heckler 5th]

Originally posted by: Ilmater
FACT: You are impared after one joint, but one or two beers have nearly zero affect. This fact will always keep Mary Jane illegal.

congratulations! quite possibly the most ridiculous statement i've read all year! this is the brainwashed nonsense our society needs to purge just to be able to debate this topic in a rational way.

 

[BAMAVOO]

I say legalize it all. Put the cocaine and crack on every street corner. Let the fools kill off each other.