Dentists are the devil

[bignateyk]

Youd really be suprised if you saw what they actually billed your insurance company...

I'd guess it was less than half of what you saw. They really fvck the people who dont have insurance up the ass

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: bignateyk
Youd really be suprised if you saw what they actually billed your insurance company...

I'd guess it was less than half of what you saw. They really fvck the people who dont have insurance up the ass

Really? In our office the charge is the same for insured or uninsured. I think that pertains more to doctors/hospitals than dentists.

 

[Sphexi]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Sphexi

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Sphexi
Fricken $926 for two fillings...TWO. She said to make it feel more "normal" to me, she had to shave away some of the teeth on either side of the one she was doing the filling on, and put whatever coating on all three. So of course, on the bill, I get billed once for each tooth, something like $150 each. Good thing insurance covers it, but geez, what a scam for an hour and 15 minutes of work. Hell, the supplies can't cost all that much, like $50 or something? She had to pay her helper I'm sure, maybe $100 for sitting there with the suction and water, so she made like $750 for about an hour of work.

I so need a job like that.

Something doesn't sound quite right to me there...
I have never heard of shaving away part of the opposing teeth during a filling unless they were also decayed. This "make it feel more normal" to you excuse is fishy.

Not saying your Dentist didn't do the right thing or a good job. I'm just not sure what to make of the shaving away of some of the teeth on either side.

Unless there is more to this or you aren't relaying the info correctly here it sounds to me like you got hosed if it was $926 for 2 fillings.

Could you post what the bill actually said?

I can post what the bill they gave me said, it doesn't mean much to me though:

COMP REST perm mol acid TH#26 $237.30
COMP REST perm bi acid TH#25 $167.10
COMP REST perm ant acid TH#12 $123.30
COMP REST perm ant acid TH#11 $155.90
COMP REST perm ant acid TH#13 $155.90
COMP REST perm ant acid TH#26 $123.30


Supposedly the two cavities were on th#12 and th#26, and when I run my tongue along my front teeth (th#11-13) I can feel that concrete-ish coating they use (no idea what it is) across three different teeth.

According to that you had 5 teeth restored so you must've had 5 cavities. She may have drilled into the teeth that were obviously decayed and found the decay was actually in the opposing teeth too. Either that or she did sealant-type restorations (sealed up pits and fissures) on #11, #13, and #25 to prevent future decay.

I only had two cavities, I saw the X-Rays myself, but both were on the edges of the teeth (between two teeth). If she had found more, she would've said something there in the room, afterwards she simply said that she had filled them and formed the teeth around them.

Originally posted by: bignateyk
Youd really be suprised if you saw what they actually billed your insurance company...

I'd guess it was less than half of what you saw. They really fvck the people who dont have insurance up the ass

That was what they charged my insurance, since I have 100% coverage up to $2000 a year for this kind of work. Pretty much they send an electronic claim to my insurance company, and get paid directly, I have a receipt and all that pretty stuff.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
My dentist is a sweetheart.

Yeah mine was awesome growing up... hell of a guy, very nice, always talked to you, told some funny stories.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Sphexi

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Sphexi

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Sphexi
Fricken $926 for two fillings...TWO. She said to make it feel more "normal" to me, she had to shave away some of the teeth on either side of the one she was doing the filling on, and put whatever coating on all three. So of course, on the bill, I get billed once for each tooth, something like $150 each. Good thing insurance covers it, but geez, what a scam for an hour and 15 minutes of work. Hell, the supplies can't cost all that much, like $50 or something? She had to pay her helper I'm sure, maybe $100 for sitting there with the suction and water, so she made like $750 for about an hour of work.

I so need a job like that.

Something doesn't sound quite right to me there...
I have never heard of shaving away part of the opposing teeth during a filling unless they were also decayed. This "make it feel more normal" to you excuse is fishy.

Not saying your Dentist didn't do the right thing or a good job. I'm just not sure what to make of the shaving away of some of the teeth on either side.

Unless there is more to this or you aren't relaying the info correctly here it sounds to me like you got hosed if it was $926 for 2 fillings.

Could you post what the bill actually said?

I can post what the bill they gave me said, it doesn't mean much to me though:

COMP REST perm mol acid TH#26 $237.30
COMP REST perm bi acid TH#25 $167.10
COMP REST perm ant acid TH#12 $123.30
COMP REST perm ant acid TH#11 $155.90
COMP REST perm ant acid TH#13 $155.90
COMP REST perm ant acid TH#26 $123.30


Supposedly the two cavities were on th#12 and th#26, and when I run my tongue along my front teeth (th#11-13) I can feel that concrete-ish coating they use (no idea what it is) across three different teeth.

According to that you had 5 teeth restored so you must've had 5 cavities. She may have drilled into the teeth that were obviously decayed and found the decay was actually in the opposing teeth too. Either that or she did sealant-type restorations (sealed up pits and fissures) on #11, #13, and #25 to prevent future decay.

I only had two cavities, I saw the X-Rays myself, but both were on the edges of the teeth (between two teeth). If she had found more, she would've said something there in the room, afterwards she simply said that she had filled them and formed the teeth around them.

Originally posted by: bignateyk
Youd really be suprised if you saw what they actually billed your insurance company...

I'd guess it was less than half of what you saw. They really fvck the people who dont have insurance up the ass

That was what they charged my insurance, since I have 100% coverage up to $2000 a year for this kind of work. Pretty much they send an electronic claim to my insurance company, and get paid directly, I have a receipt and all that pretty stuff.

well then, if you don't understand what she did call up and ask. keep asking until you understand. if you were told you only had two cavities ask why 5 teeth were worked on and billed for. according to the bill you had composite (tooth colored and plastic-type material) restorations on 5 teeth.

the terminology you are using doesn't sound right to me. "formed the teeth around them" - not sure what that means.

 

[Jeff7]

:music:
When I was younger just some bad little kid
My momma noticed funny things I did
Like shootin' puppies with a BB gun
I'd poison guppies when I was done
I'd find a pussy cat, BASH in his head
That's when my momma said

What did she say?

She said my boy I think some day
You'll find a way
To make your natural tendancies pay
You'll be a dentist!
You have a talent for causing things pain!
Son be a dentist.
:music:

 

[preslove]

Hey, what do you call a doctor who fails out of med school?

 

[KK]

Heres my beef with orthodonist and my cigna insurance. On the insurances chart that lists what they cover and how much they listed all orthodonist at 40%. meaning that we are responsible for 40%. Well we get the bill and it is broken down into individual items. Here an example of one. The evualuation charge is going to be 46 dollars, of the we owe 40, cigna pays 6. I called the cigna and asked how 40% of 46 is 40 dollars. they said that they go off this national average crap and that the national average is 96 dollars, there for they would pay 56 dollars instead of 6 if the cost were 96 dollars. I then asked how'd they come up with 46 on the paper. They said it was what the orthodonist and cigna had agreed to charge. I think its bullsh1t.

 

[zebano]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
My dentist is a sweetheart.

My dentist is a hottie.

 

[us3rnotfound]

Originally posted by: zebano

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
My dentist is a sweetheart.

My dentist is a hottie.

If you don't have any already, take some pics of her while you are under the operating light

 

[jiggahertz]

Dentists are worse than mechanics. Mine told me he wanted to do a bunch of work on my teeth that would run me the cost of a "small Hyundia" - his words, not mine.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: preslove
Hey, what do you call a doctor who fails out of med school?

someone who doesn't have to be on call and work nights and weekends?

 

[jiggahertz]

Originally posted by: KK
Heres my beef with orthodonist and my cigna insurance. On the insurances chart that lists what they cover and how much they listed all orthodonist at 40%. meaning that we are responsible for 40%. Well we get the bill and it is broken down into individual items. Here an example of one. The evualuation charge is going to be 46 dollars, of the we owe 40, cigna pays 6. I called the cigna and asked how 40% of 46 is 40 dollars. they said that they go off this national average crap and that the national average is 96 dollars, there for they would pay 56 dollars instead of 6 if the cost were 96 dollars. I then asked how'd they come up with 46 on the paper. They said it was what the orthodonist and cigna had agreed to charge. I think its bullsh1t.

That makes negative sense.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: preslove
Hey, what do you call a doctor who fails out of med school?

someone who doesn't have to be on call and work nights and weekends?

You fail at Seinfeld references

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: jiggahertz

Originally posted by: KK
Heres my beef with orthodonist and my cigna insurance. On the insurances chart that lists what they cover and how much they listed all orthodonist at 40%. meaning that we are responsible for 40%. Well we get the bill and it is broken down into individual items. Here an example of one. The evualuation charge is going to be 46 dollars, of the we owe 40, cigna pays 6. I called the cigna and asked how 40% of 46 is 40 dollars. they said that they go off this national average crap and that the national average is 96 dollars, there for they would pay 56 dollars instead of 6 if the cost were 96 dollars. I then asked how'd they come up with 46 on the paper. They said it was what the orthodonist and cigna had agreed to charge. I think its bullsh1t.

That makes negative sense.

I agree. Supposedly our charge is 40% of the national average. The national average for this evaulation is 96 dollars. so we would owe ~40 dollars. Now the orthodonist and cigna has worked out an agreement that the orthodonist would only charge 46 dollars. But since we pay based on the national average and not based upon what the orthodonist charges, we would still owe 40 dollars, therefore cigna only will have to pay 6 dollars. It's a load of crap.

 

[jiggahertz]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: jiggahertz

Originally posted by: KK
Heres my beef with orthodonist and my cigna insurance. On the insurances chart that lists what they cover and how much they listed all orthodonist at 40%. meaning that we are responsible for 40%. Well we get the bill and it is broken down into individual items. Here an example of one. The evualuation charge is going to be 46 dollars, of the we owe 40, cigna pays 6. I called the cigna and asked how 40% of 46 is 40 dollars. they said that they go off this national average crap and that the national average is 96 dollars, there for they would pay 56 dollars instead of 6 if the cost were 96 dollars. I then asked how'd they come up with 46 on the paper. They said it was what the orthodonist and cigna had agreed to charge. I think its bullsh1t.

That makes negative sense.

I agree. Supposedly our charge is 40% of the national average. The national average for this evaulation is 96 dollars. so we would owe ~40 dollars. Now the orthodonist and cigna has worked out an agreement that the orthodonist would only charge 46 dollars. But since we pay based on the national average and not based upon what the orthodonist charges, we would still owe 40 dollars, therefore cigna only will have to pay 6 dollars. It's a load of crap.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying I just mean from your point of view it's BS. The dentist charges less so you pay the same and the insurance pays less. I'm surprised they just don't put $96 on the bill and screw you over that way instead.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: jiggahertz

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: jiggahertz

Originally posted by: KK
Heres my beef with orthodonist and my cigna insurance. On the insurances chart that lists what they cover and how much they listed all orthodonist at 40%. meaning that we are responsible for 40%. Well we get the bill and it is broken down into individual items. Here an example of one. The evualuation charge is going to be 46 dollars, of the we owe 40, cigna pays 6. I called the cigna and asked how 40% of 46 is 40 dollars. they said that they go off this national average crap and that the national average is 96 dollars, there for they would pay 56 dollars instead of 6 if the cost were 96 dollars. I then asked how'd they come up with 46 on the paper. They said it was what the orthodonist and cigna had agreed to charge. I think its bullsh1t.

That makes negative sense.

I agree. Supposedly our charge is 40% of the national average. The national average for this evaulation is 96 dollars. so we would owe ~40 dollars. Now the orthodonist and cigna has worked out an agreement that the orthodonist would only charge 46 dollars. But since we pay based on the national average and not based upon what the orthodonist charges, we would still owe 40 dollars, therefore cigna only will have to pay 6 dollars. It's a load of crap.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying I just mean from your point of view it's BS. The dentist charges less so you pay the same and the insurance pays less. I'm surprised they just don't put $96 on the bill and screw you over that way instead.

If they would have just put on the fee schedule that we would have to pay 40 dollars, instead of this 40% crap then it'd be okay. But they try to confuse you by throwing that 40% out there.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: preslove
Hey, what do you call a doctor who fails out of med school?

someone who doesn't have to be on call and work nights and weekends?

You fail at Seinfeld references

no.... i described a Dentist.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: Sphexi
Fricken $926 for two fillings...TWO. She said to make it feel more "normal" to me, she had to shave away some of the teeth on either side of the one she was doing the filling on, and put whatever coating on all three. So of course, on the bill, I get billed once for each tooth, something like $150 each. Good thing insurance covers it, but geez, what a scam for an hour and 15 minutes of work. Hell, the supplies can't cost all that much, like $50 or something? She had to pay her helper I'm sure, maybe $100 for sitting there with the suction and water, so she made like $750 for about an hour of work.

I so need a job like that.

u dont want to be a dentist. it's hard to make $ off just cleanings. and with floride, and better knowlege of teeth care, less and less people r getting fillings. plus insurance doesnt pay that well.

unless u go the medicaid route, and accept all sorts of people w/bad hygene (oral and otherwise).

to make it, u gota push the cosmetic dentristry side, like bleaching.

 

[us3rnotfound]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: preslove
Hey, what do you call a doctor who fails out of med school?

someone who doesn't have to be on call and work nights and weekends?

You fail at Seinfeld references

no.... i described a Dentist.

While unknowingly responding to a Seinfeld reference

 

[herkulease]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
well then, if you don't understand what she did call up and ask. keep asking until you understand. if you were told you only had two cavities ask why 5 teeth were worked on and billed for. according to the bill you had composite (tooth colored and plastic-type material) restorations on 5 teeth.

the terminology you are using doesn't sound right to me. "formed the teeth around them" - not sure what that means.

That is what I found odd too. He claims to have only work done on two or was that two cavities. Yet gets billed for composities on 5 teeth. Plus I have no idea what mol/bi/ant is supposed to refer to. It can't be surfaces. I doubt system is different in canada. I would venture to guess molar/bicuspid/anterior but then it lists 26 as molar.

As for second part of OP,

dental school -> any college degree though its heavily populated by people with science degrees. But you'll need to take at least chem, ochem, bio, english, math. anatomy and physiology is often recommended. You'll need Bs or better. then score well on the DAT. I remember something about canada being different with US schools but I glossed over that. Then suck up during interviews.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: us3rnotfound

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: preslove
Hey, what do you call a doctor who fails out of med school?

someone who doesn't have to be on call and work nights and weekends?

You fail at Seinfeld references

no.... i described a Dentist.

While unknowingly responding to a Seinfeld reference

not.

i knew what he was talking about. i saw the anti-dentite show. it was hilarious.
imma Seinfeld fan. saw him live even. he's a true comedian.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: herkulease

Originally posted by: moshquerade
well then, if you don't understand what she did call up and ask. keep asking until you understand. if you were told you only had two cavities ask why 5 teeth were worked on and billed for. according to the bill you had composite (tooth colored and plastic-type material) restorations on 5 teeth.

the terminology you are using doesn't sound right to me. "formed the teeth around them" - not sure what that means.

That is what I found odd too. He claims to have only work done on two or was that two cavities. Yet gets billed for composities on 5 teeth. Plus I have no idea what mol/bi/ant is supposed to refer to. It can't be surfaces. I doubt system is different in canada. I would venture to guess molar/bicuspid/anterior but then it lists 26 as molar.

As for second part of OP,

dental school -> any college degree though its heavily populated by people with science degrees. But you'll need to take at least chem, ochem, bio, english, math. anatomy and physiology is often recommended. You'll need Bs or better. then score well on the DAT. I remember something about canada being different with US schools but I glossed over that. Then suck up during interviews.

COMP REST perm mol acid TH#26 $237.30
COMP REST perm bi acid TH#25 $167.10
COMP REST perm ant acid TH#12 $123.30
COMP REST perm ant acid TH#11 $155.90
COMP REST perm ant acid TH#13 $155.90
COMP REST perm ant acid TH#26 $123.30

mol - molar
bi - bicuspid
ant - anterior

but that wouldn't make sense since #26 is not a molar, #25 is not a bicuspid, and #11 and #12 are not anterior teeth.

mol could mean mesial/occlusal/labial or lingual but #26 is an anterior tooth and therefore it would be called the incisal surface not the occlusal surface.

i am confused. then again, i don't do any billing.

 

[herkulease]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: herkulease

Originally posted by: moshquerade
well then, if you don't understand what she did call up and ask. keep asking until you understand. if you were told you only had two cavities ask why 5 teeth were worked on and billed for. according to the bill you had composite (tooth colored and plastic-type material) restorations on 5 teeth.

the terminology you are using doesn't sound right to me. "formed the teeth around them" - not sure what that means.

That is what I found odd too. He claims to have only work done on two or was that two cavities. Yet gets billed for composities on 5 teeth. Plus I have no idea what mol/bi/ant is supposed to refer to. It can't be surfaces. I doubt system is different in canada. I would venture to guess molar/bicuspid/anterior but then it lists 26 as molar.

As for second part of OP,

dental school -> any college degree though its heavily populated by people with science degrees. But you'll need to take at least chem, ochem, bio, english, math. anatomy and physiology is often recommended. You'll need Bs or better. then score well on the DAT. I remember something about canada being different with US schools but I glossed over that. Then suck up during interviews.

COMP REST perm mol acid TH#26 $237.30
COMP REST perm bi acid TH#25 $167.10
COMP REST perm ant acid TH#12 $123.30
COMP REST perm ant acid TH#11 $155.90
COMP REST perm ant acid TH#13 $155.90
COMP REST perm ant acid TH#26 $123.30

mol - molar
bi - bicuspid
ant - anterior

but that wouldn't make sense since #26 is not a molar, #25 is not a bicuspid, and #11 and #12 are not anterior teeth.

mol could mean mesial/occlusal/labial or lingual but #26 is an anterior tooth and therefore it would be called the incisal surface not the occlusal surface.

i am confused. then again, i don't do any billing.

Exactly. I'm gonna chalk that up to them crazy canucks.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: herkulease

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: herkulease

Originally posted by: moshquerade
well then, if you don't understand what she did call up and ask. keep asking until you understand. if you were told you only had two cavities ask why 5 teeth were worked on and billed for. according to the bill you had composite (tooth colored and plastic-type material) restorations on 5 teeth.

the terminology you are using doesn't sound right to me. "formed the teeth around them" - not sure what that means.

That is what I found odd too. He claims to have only work done on two or was that two cavities. Yet gets billed for composities on 5 teeth. Plus I have no idea what mol/bi/ant is supposed to refer to. It can't be surfaces. I doubt system is different in canada. I would venture to guess molar/bicuspid/anterior but then it lists 26 as molar.

As for second part of OP,

dental school -> any college degree though its heavily populated by people with science degrees. But you'll need to take at least chem, ochem, bio, english, math. anatomy and physiology is often recommended. You'll need Bs or better. then score well on the DAT. I remember something about canada being different with US schools but I glossed over that. Then suck up during interviews.

COMP REST perm mol acid TH#26 $237.30
COMP REST perm bi acid TH#25 $167.10
COMP REST perm ant acid TH#12 $123.30
COMP REST perm ant acid TH#11 $155.90
COMP REST perm ant acid TH#13 $155.90
COMP REST perm ant acid TH#26 $123.30

mol - molar
bi - bicuspid
ant - anterior

but that wouldn't make sense since #26 is not a molar, #25 is not a bicuspid, and #11 and #12 are not anterior teeth.

mol could mean mesial/occlusal/labial or lingual but #26 is an anterior tooth and therefore it would be called the incisal surface not the occlusal surface.

i am confused. then again, i don't do any billing.

Exactly. I'm gonna chalk that up to them crazy canucks.

it's the only logical conclusion.