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Dentists and unnecessary or overpriced treatments.

homestarmy

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I just got home from the dentist. No cavities btw.

Anyhow, I have pockets near my two crowns in my gums. Let me also mention that one of the crowns were done unnecessarily, and in that scenario my insurance wouldn't cover it and I had to pay out of pocket.

Today I come and sit down in the hygenist's chair. The walls are covered with advertising (The US and New Zeland are the only two countries in the world that allow perscription drug advertising btw), and there is a small flipchart actually taped to part of the chair's support, basically staring me right in the face.

Turns out that is the exact treatment that she says that I need (an antibiotic that is placed between the tooth and the gums). It is $90 per tooth, and my insurance won't even cover it! What's worse is that I had to pry to find out any alternative treatments.

First, she said there was no alternative. Later, I caught her saying that it is the only treatment of its kind, so I asked her what they did before that. She says they used the same stuff, but in pill form. I told her I'd take it, as my other insurance would surely cover it (or I'd get it for $4 from WalMart). I figure if it were five years ago it would be good enough, why not now? She said that they wouldn't perscribe it. Therefore, I am being FORCED into an overpriced treatment. By denying the alternative treatment, in my opinon they are saying "If you're not going to take our treatment, your gums can rot for all I care."

I probed for information on how I would self-administer the drug. I will likely pick it up online or something of that sort. Otherwise, if it gets worse, the deep cleanings necessary will be covered by my insurance. Ironic, isn't it?

To top it off, at the end of my treatment, I have to swish this fluoride out of a huge pump bottle - the exact same stuff that I had to swish with when I was in KINDERGARDEN! Previously they gave me a gel in something that I had to bite down on. I assumed that this swish was covered (as I knew the other stuff wasn't and had denied it before) but it turns out that one little pump out of that bottle costed me $17! The lady at the front said that it would cost even more for others... wtf?

I think a good handful of this is unethical, don't you think? Shouldn't a patient have rights to an alternate form of treatment? They always seem to on the medical shows (I'm a big fan of House MD myself).

Cliffs:

1. No cavities, but pockets near crowns (one of which was unnecessary in the first place).
2. Walls covered with ads, and one actually taped to a portion of the chair staring me in the face.
3. That exact treatment I am perscribed, at $90 x 2 plus another $40 charge.
4. I pry info on alternative treatment that was standard until 5 years ago - antibiotic in pill form (cheap).
5. She refuses to give perscription for other item.
6. I pryed for info, will likely get it and self medicate, or wait till it gets worse - insurance covers that.
7. Had to pay $17 for a swig of the same swish that I took in Kindergarden.
 
go to a different dentist. They are about three steps up from chiropractors in the quack scale.
 
I agree, find another dentist that isn't trying to sell you stuff. The average dentist now makes more than the average doctor and they work fewer hours. A lot of it has to do with the fact that they sell a lot of treatments not covered by insurance (many of them cosmetic.)
 
Are they 'preferred providers' for your insurance? If so, complain to your insurance company about them.

Your only real option is to find a new dentist, though. If you no longer trust them, you shouldn't let them stick sharp things in your mouth.
 
After the fiasco with my crown, they are lucky that I am back. It was the nice people that work behind the desks that kept me there. Plus, I really liked my dentist, and the problem happened when she was out for maternity leave, and I blamed it on the person that was there - which seemed like some kind of intern.

In that scenario, this dentist says that I have a cavity that is really deep. Not deep enough to need a root canal. She can fill it, but it will just crack, etc, so she is going to do a build up and a crown. I assume that it will be covered, but my insurance only pays for a filling, because that was all that they deemed necessary. I went back and forth between their corporate office and my insurance, even involving a third party that deals with this exact stuff. No help at all.

It's so hard to find good doctors/dentists. I don't know anyone around here. I've lived here 3 years, and I work out of the area and go to school out of the area. Most people I know don't live in the same city. How am I supposed to find someone I can trust?
 
Jump on the clue train: If your dentist is a scammer, change dentists!

Also, get second opinions.
 
BTW, does anyone know of a good site where I can order the pill online? I know they exist as I looked into them years ago for my dad, and I have a friend that ordered some for recreational use. His site took forever, I would like something quicker and a bit more legit - yet I don't have a perscription - maybe something in Canada?
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Jump on the clue train: If your dentist is a scammer, change dentists!

Also, get second opinions.

You know, I just scheduled a first time appointment with them for my girlfriend. Maybe I'll just schedule her with someone else, and use her as a guinea pig.

And when I call (or stop by), I'll explain why I am doing this.
 
Which reminds me, I have to get a root canal + crown done, which will run me a good $800 AFTER insurance (something has to be done though, I have not been able to chew on the right side of my mouth in 8+ years).

Oh yeah, dentists suck. Mine has been trying to sell me $100 cancer screening (that insurance will not cover). Last time it was chew table. The time before that it was something else.
 
homestarmy,

Before you self medicate on bad advice from a crooked dentist, I suggest you get a second opinion.

Also, how deep were these pockets?
 
I don't know the exact number in mm, but the only thing they are doing is that when I floss they tend to blead more than other areas. I haven't had any problems with them.

And would insurance normally cover a second opinion?
 
Originally posted by: homestarmy
I don't know the exact number in mm, but the only thing they are doing is that when I floss they tend to blead more than other areas. I haven't had any problems with them.

And would insurance normally cover a second opinion?

A second opinion may be covered. Chaeck with your insurance.

And even if it's not, a second opinion should be less than $100.
 
Originally posted by: homestarmy
I'm not going to sue or anything, but aren't there laws against denying me alternative treatment that I prefer?

I don't know. But honestly, if he doesn't want to treat you how you want to be treated, change dentists.
 
FWIW, many dentists accept an allegiance with an insurance company knowing that they can stiff the patient with procedures that are not covered.

I suspect that my dentist falls into that category.
 
Originally posted by: homestarmy
I just got home from the dentist. No cavities btw.

Anyhow, I have pockets near my two crowns in my gums. Let me also mention that one of the crowns were done unnecessarily, and in that scenario my insurance wouldn't cover it and I had to pay out of pocket.

Today I come and sit down in the hygenist's chair. The walls are covered with advertising (The US and New Zeland are the only two countries in the world that allow perscription drug advertising btw), and there is a small flipchart actually taped to part of the chair's support, basically staring me right in the face.

Turns out that is the exact treatment that she says that I need (an antibiotic that is placed between the tooth and the gums). It is $90 per tooth, and my insurance won't even cover it! What's worse is that I had to pry to find out any alternative treatments.

First, she said there was no alternative. Later, I caught her saying that it is the only treatment of its kind, so I asked her what they did before that. She says they used the same stuff, but in pill form. I told her I'd take it, as my other insurance would surely cover it (or I'd get it for $4 from WalMart). I figure if it were five years ago it would be good enough, why not now? She said that they wouldn't perscribe it. Therefore, I am being FORCED into an overpriced treatment. By denying the alternative treatment, in my opinon they are saying "If you're not going to take our treatment, your gums can rot for all I care."

I probed for information on how I would self-administer the drug. I will likely pick it up online or something of that sort. Otherwise, if it gets worse, the deep cleanings necessary will be covered by my insurance. Ironic, isn't it?

To top it off, at the end of my treatment, I have to swish this fluoride out of a huge pump bottle - the exact same stuff that I had to swish with when I was in KINDERGARDEN! Previously they gave me a gel in something that I had to bite down on. I assumed that this swish was covered (as I knew the other stuff wasn't and had denied it before) but it turns out that one little pump out of that bottle costed me $17! The lady at the front said that it would cost even more for others... wtf?

I think a good handful of this is unethical, don't you think? Shouldn't a patient have rights to an alternate form of treatment? They always seem to on the medical shows (I'm a big fan of House MD myself).

Cliffs:

1. No cavities, but pockets near crowns (one of which was unnecessary in the first place).
2. Walls covered with ads, and one actually taped to a portion of the chair staring me in the face.
3. That exact treatment I am perscribed, at $90 x 2 plus another $40 charge.
4. I pry info on alternative treatment that was standard until 5 years ago - antibiotic in pill form (cheap).
5. She refuses to give perscription for other item.
6. I pryed for info, will likely get it and self medicate, or wait till it gets worse - insurance covers that.
7. Had to pay $17 for a swig of the same swish that I took in Kindergarden.
How deep were the pockets? Did she give you a number?

 
Home dental kit FTW!


I don't think that there are any advertisements in my dentist's office other than PSA kind of stuff. This guy doesn't even have brochures. He's a pretty old-school American-born Japanese guy running, his name is on the door, his daughter is his assistant/receptionist, and most of his patients are Japanese.
 
Originally posted by: moshquerade
homey, i can give you some inside info, but first i need your pocket measurements.

It's not the size of the pocket, but what you reach when you realize that the bottom has been torn out 😉.
 
one dentist i went to tried to sell me invisilines. what a crock, my teeth are straighter than most peoples teeth and my cousin that is also a dentist assures me that i do NOT need invisilines.

this quack dentist tried to convince me that if i got invisilines, most of my minor day to day health related problems would go away, sound like a chiropractor to anyone else?
 
Originally posted by: homestarmy
Originally posted by: moshquerade
homey, i can give you some inside info, but first i need your pocket measurements.

It's not the size of the pocket, but what you reach when you realize that the bottom has been torn out 😉.
Well, that's too bad you don't know the measurement because I could help you understand why they suggested such treatment.
Also, do you floss? Pockets usually occur from negligence of that procedure.

I don't agree with them giving you a swish of fluoride and charging you for it without stating so beforehand, but the reason you don't have the gel and tray fluoride treatment anymore is because they just do that on kids. (usually up to 16 y/o)
Why do they just do it on kids? Because that is what insurance companies will pay for.

 
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