dems want to take your guns

[Winnie the Pooh]

Here's why no one needs to worry about their guns ever being taken away:

It's hard to believe, but Texas has followed that idiot newspaper up in New
York, and released a map of the location of all gun owners.

Their locations are marked by red dots.

 

[jackschmittusa]

nehalem256

WTF does Todd Aiken have to do with my comment?

 

[Smoblikat]

And our fishin' poles! And table salt! At least the Republicans only want to peek into our bedrooms and tell us who we can marry.

Thankfully this state law proposal by a few Dems (Dims?) in Missouri will go nowhere, just like many of the bigoted or anti-science laws proposed by Republican extremists in other states.

TECHNICALLY I am a republican, and I think what you said was dead wrong...............republicans dont just want to tell you who to marry, they want to tell you what you can or cant do with the body that "god" gave to you for personal use. They also enjoy their hypocrisies, oh yes they do, poisonous and addictive alcohol is perfectly A OK, harmless and non-addictive marijuana is just the devils lettuce and will destroy every fiber of your being the second you even smell it.

 

[shortylickens]

Am surprised nobody noticed this, at least, I didnt see any posts on it anywhere in P&N:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/19/missouri-gun-bill_n_2717360.html


Republicans now want a bill making it illegal to do what the Democrats tried.
Personally I think the good operation of the system is way more important than any one particular bill which runs through it. I suspect this was just some sort of bullshit ploy to draw light on how stupid state congress can be sometimes.
Regardless, I believe it was childish to waste the delegates time on this nonsense. It didnt really prove anything and made everyone involved look petty.

 

[sourn]

Yet another silly rage thread about guns and the fear felt by those who think people are coming to take them. Just as lame as the silly rage threads about guns and the fear felt by those who have never shot one.

Um silly? Think? They're actually trying to pass this. That's falls into knowing not thinking. Even if this has no chance of going anywhere. THEY ARE TRYING!

And guess what it's gonna work. Shame most people are to stupid to see what they're doing with these stupid laws. Which is pretty simple yet very effective. Try to pass an outrageous law that way other laws don't seem so outrageous.

When in reality any more gun control laws should be an outrage. Specially when dealing with assault rifles/larger mags. Which even if it did have the desire effect wouldn't even put a dent (maybe a tiny scratch) in gun homicides.

O what am I ranting about. You can't have facts and logic in politics.. It's all about fear mongering these days.

 

[Matt1970]

Um silly? Think? They're actually trying to pass this. That's falls into knowing not thinking. Even if this has no chance of going anywhere. THEY ARE TRYING!

And guess what it's gonna work. Shame most people are to stupid to see what they're doing with these stupid laws. Which is pretty simple yet very effective. Try to pass an outrageous law that way other laws don't seem so outrageous.

When in reality any more gun control laws should be an outrage. Specially when dealing with assault rifles/larger mags. Which even if it did have the desire effect wouldn't even put a dent (maybe a tiny scratch) in gun homicides.

O what am I ranting about. You can't have facts and logic in politics.. It's all about fear mongering these days.

They are not coming after your guns. Oh wait, ya they are. But you can just turn around and buy a low capacity hand gun, until they find another problem and ban those as well.

 

[Smoblikat]

Too bad we can't kick out the lot. I'm tired of being told what's good for me.

What do you think guns are for...................

 

[Doppel]

Of course they do want to take guns.

Generally crazy legislation or supports of it preface with "Nobody wants to take your guns" but there is legislation proposed that does that, many law makers openly talk about it, and at least in NY's case recently the law does confiscate guns; owning high cap mags is patently illegal (an integral portion of a gun), and if you die it's now impossible to leave certain firearms in your will and they can only be passed to family.

Many of these laws, if they are ever put to the books, will end up going up the court chain until they are thrown for contradicting Heller 2008, but it doesn't mean law makers still won't waste everybody's time with them.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

While practicality agrees with you, there is something to be said for the mentality that leads our representatives to bring these sorts of measures forward. If ridiculous laws that get proposed aren't mocked, there is a danger of them silently gaining support due to a lack of "outrage."

There seems to be plenty of left-wing outrage on this forum anytime some whackjob Republican trots out an anti-abortion law even if it has no chance of being enacted.

Is it considered outrage to contact your representative and tell them not to support a bill? How is that any different than mocking said bill in a public forum? Fact is, this "outrage" that you deride is an important part of democracy.

Sometimes to mock, or counter a law, another ridiculous law is, (has to be?), proposed;
"Baltimore and Harford County Republican Senator J.B. Jennings has introduced a bill that would bar a school from suspending a student for simply drawing a picture of a gun, molding food into the shape of a gun, or pointing their thumb and forefinger in the shape of a gun."
There are currently 1100 new laws about guns being debated across the states as we speak. ELEVEN HUNDRED!!!

 

[cubby1223]

I can see it now - mandatory screens on all video games "Winners Don't Use Guns" and then the video game promptly teaches the kid that only winners use guns

 

[unokitty]

Regarding gun laws, I've always been partial to the model that Switzerland employs.

While I don't want to take sides in the current debate, I found this article and wanted to share:

Man Campaigning to Ban Assault Rifles Caught Buying Assault Rifle

Uno

 

[Lithium381]

Am surprised nobody noticed this, at least, I didnt see any posts on it anywhere in P&N:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/19/missouri-gun-bill_n_2717360.html


Republicans now want a bill making it illegal to do what the Democrats tried.
Personally I think the good operation of the system is way more important than any one particular bill which runs through it. I suspect this was just some sort of bullshit ploy to draw light on how stupid state congress can be sometimes.
Regardless, I believe it was childish to waste the delegates time on this nonsense. It didnt really prove anything and made everyone involved look petty.

depending on the exact stanzas in the bill, i could get behind that. do. not. infringe. on. our. rights. easy!

 

[cubby1223]

Am surprised nobody noticed this, at least, I didnt see any posts on it anywhere in P&N:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/19/missouri-gun-bill_n_2717360.html


Republicans now want a bill making it illegal to do what the Democrats tried.
Personally I think the good operation of the system is way more important than any one particular bill which runs through it. I suspect this was just some sort of bullshit ploy to draw light on how stupid state congress can be sometimes.
Regardless, I believe it was childish to waste the delegates time on this nonsense. It didnt really prove anything and made everyone involved look petty.

?

This is one of the dumber things I've seen. You can't say you're for the constitution and for individual rights, while you throw out the first amendment in the process...

 

[Agent11]

All across the country Democrats are introducing similar legislation. To attempt to dismiss it as symbolism and attack people who feel strongly about our rights being threatened as paranoid is insulting.

Personally I am infuriated by it. I agree with Democrats on many issues, this is one I am vehemently opposed to them on however and this sort of organized attack on the 2nd amendment is one of the only things that could get me to vote Republican.

 

[shortylickens]

?

This is one of the dumber things I've seen. You can't say you're for the constitution and for individual rights, while you throw out the first amendment in the process...

Thats not a first amendment issue its a constitution issue.

 

[NoStateofMind]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GNu7ldL1LM

 

[cubby1223]

Thats not a first amendment issue its a constitution issue.

Making it a felony to even propose legislation, that is a first amendment issue and a very big constitutional issue.

 

[corwin]

Making it a felony to even propose legislation, that is a first amendment issue and a very big constitutional issue.

As opposed to making it a felony to exercise your second amendment rights? Seems to me making it a felony to attempt to infringe on the constitutional rights of the citizens would just be common sense...and how exactly is the proposing of legislation in any way linked to freedom of speech? Seems to me they would still be free to say anything they wanted so long as they didn't try to break the law by proposing unlawful legislation, they could talk about it on the street corner and in their blogs all they wanted:awe:

 

[cubby1223]

As opposed to making it a felony to exercise your second amendment rights? Seems to me making it a felony to attempt to infringe on the constitutional rights of the citizens would just be common sense...and how exactly is the proposing of legislation in any way linked to freedom of speech? Seems to me they would still be free to say anything they wanted so long as they didn't try to break the law by proposing unlawful legislation, they could talk about it on the street corner and in their blogs all they wanted:awe:

The judicial system is supposed to invalidate laws that infringe on the 2nd amendment. If we cannot rely on them to protect the constitution then we have much much bigger problems than this.

If this gets passed, then the Democrats will make it a felony to introduce bills that challenge Roe v. Wade. Then Republicans will make it a felony to try to expand Obamacare as they believe it is unconstitutional.

I don't believe that writing proposed legislation on a piece of paper should be a felony.

 

[cubby1223]

Seriously, if the legislature had enough votes to pass a law infringing on the 2nd amendment, then they have enough votes to first revoke this other law. Meaning this law wouldn't even help.

 

[corwin]

The judicial system is supposed to invalidate laws that infringe on the 2nd amendment. If we cannot rely on them to protect the constitution then we have much much bigger problems than this

We do have bigger problems than this, but that's not the point

If this gets passed, then the Democrats will make it a felony to introduce bills that challenge Roe v. Wade. Then Republicans will make it a felony to try to expand Obamacare as they believe it is unconstitutional.

Roe v. Wade isn't a constitutional issue, Obamacare should be unconstitutional but it has been deemed not to be, on grounds that were argued against for its passage I might add but that's got nothing to do with this yet again, is this some sort of slippery slope argument?

I don't believe that writing proposed legislation on a piece of paper should be a felony.

Your opinion...

Seriously, if the legislature had enough votes to pass a law infringing on the 2nd amendment, then they have enough votes to first revoke this other law. Meaning this law wouldn't even help.

Then there's no reason to be against it right?

You still bypass answering your original argument, that it's a first amendment issue, how are you supporting that since it has nothing to do with free speech?

 

[cubby1223]

*sigh*

As we all know, the constitution is interpreted differently by different people.

This law would broadly turn thought and ideas into a criminal offense. That absolutely is a violation of free speech. Are you _happy_ now that I stated it directly?

 

[cubby1223]

Seriously, you answer this question for me, now that I directly answered your question:

What will happen is any time any law is invalidated by the judicial system, the lawmaker who introduced the bill goes to prison. Do you not see anything wrong with this?

 

[corwin]

*sigh*

As we all know, the constitution is interpreted differently by different people.

This law would broadly turn thought and ideas into a serious criminal offense. That absolutely is a violation of free speech. Are you _happy_ now that I stated it directly?

*SIGH*

No this does not criminalize "thoughts and ideas", just attempts to infringe upon constitutionally protected rights...they can have those thoughts and ideas and even express them all they want, hell they can even try to change the constitution if they want but don't try to go around it illegally

Seriously, you answer this question for me, now that I directly answered your question:

What will happen is any time any law is invalidated by the judicial system, the lawmaker who introduced the bill goes to prison. Do you not see anything wrong with this?

Um, how exactly do you get that? This has nothing to do with something after the fact, it would prevent them from trying to introduce something that restricts a constitutionally protected right...like if someone wanted to propose that the first amendment is only applicable to print media and not to the online world, you know since it didn't exist when the constitution was written. Aside from that this is specifically worded to be applicable to second amendment restrictions and not anything else.

 

[Meghan54]

Honestly, given the decrease in the percentage of the U.S. population that owns guns over the last 4 decades (54% in 1977, 32% in 2010), no one is going to have to outlaw guns, the fascination with them will pass. The older generations are the most gun owning and as you get to younger and younger gens., gun ownership falls drastically. Rare to see kids out hunting with their parents any longer.

As has been said before, younger people are more likely to play soccer than sit in a duck blind or deer stand.