Dems vs. Reps

[ciba]

I see a claim at least once a week that democrats are more educated than republicans. I certainly won't dispute this as our universities attract democrats as educators (while private business attracts repubs).

I have never seen a discussion as to the propensity to commit crime. Has anyone ever run across a study comparing convicted felons and which political party they identify themselves with?

I was thinking about this today while reading an old article about the 2000 Florida votes and how the convicted felons (which were prohibited from voting) voted overwhelmingly for Gore. Of course, correlation does not mean causation, but it would be interesting to see how traditional "party values" play into this.

 

[her209]

Are you talking about blue collar crimes versus white collar crimes?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: ciba
I see a claim at least once a week that democrats are more educated than republicans. I certainly won't dispute this as our universities attract democrats as educators (while private business attracts repubs).

I have never seen a discussion as to the propensity to commit crime. Has anyone ever run across a study comparing convicted felons and which political party they identify themselves with?

I was thinking about this today while reading an old article about the 2000 Florida votes and how the convicted felons (which were prohibited from voting) voted overwhelmingly for Gore. Of course, correlation does not mean causation, but it would be interesting to see how traditional "party values" play into this.

I thought that something like 95% of those people were NOT convicted felons, but were put on the list anyway??

 

[ciba]

I was referring to the inspection after the fact, which showed that a few hundred convicted felons actually voted.

her209, I wasn't making a distinction, but if any survey data showed one, it would be interesting.

 

[Genesys]

watch out, i see a resurgence of eugenics on the horizon.

and be prepared to be flamed as you will be drawing your conclusions based on race, political party, and the propincity for criminal behavior.

 

[Tab]

Why are most college students liberal? Because they are getting a education

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: Tabb
Why are most college students liberal? Because they are getting a education

exactly . Both sides have their loonies, but I think we can all agree the whacko religious right is far more dangerous than a tree-hugging enviro-loving hippie.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Tabb
Why are most college students liberal? Because they are getting a education

while the people that actually do stuff and employ people are republican

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Funny how ntdz just proved our point.

I'm sorry ntdz, but unlike you and your "hardworking" Republican friends I'm getting a college education so I don't have to flip burgers, clean toilets, or work at Wallmart.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Tabb
Why are most college students liberal? Because they are getting a education

Correction: because they're getting a free education, from their parents and taxpayers. This might have made me think more favorably of social welfare too, if I had received any. Unfortunately, those of us in the middle get nothing, while those above need nothing and those below get everything.

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Funny how ntdz just proved our point.

I'm sorry ntdz, but unlike you and your "hardworking" Republican friends I'm getting a college education so I don't have to flip burgers, clean toilets, or work at Wallmart.

Bigot.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Tabb
Why are most college students liberal? Because they are getting a education

Correction: because they're getting a free education, from their parents and taxpayers. This might have made me think more favorably of social welfare too, if I had received any. Unfortunately, those of us in the middle get nothing, while those above need nothing and those below get everything.

I pay for my education, and if it wasn't subsidized, guess what? I'd still pay for it, happily.

Your attempt to dismiss both sides is humourous - apparently those who 'get everything' (nice overstatement!) actually do 'need it'?

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Funny how ntdz just proved our point.

I'm sorry ntdz, but unlike you and your "hardworking" Republican friends I'm getting a college education so I don't have to flip burgers, clean toilets, or work at Wallmart.

Bigot.

Your libertarian and assorted other 'free market' fans (myself included, at times) will be happy to correct you on this one. For someone with a lot to say here, you certainly manage to avoid producing any content.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Tabb
Why are most college students liberal? Because they are getting a education

Correction: because they're getting a free education, from their parents and taxpayers. This might have made me think more favorably of social welfare too, if I had received any. Unfortunately, those of us in the middle get nothing, while those above need nothing and those below get everything.

Maybe you should someday join the bottom and see how much they get. Like many spoiled white middle income kids you think you have it hard while the poor milk the system. I bet your dad loves to yell "amen" at the radio when Rush is blabbing, but you live in your own reality. Until you walk a mile in another man's shoes.. STFU.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

My father worked his ass off from poverty you wouldn't even begin to understand you religious nutjob Cyclo to get where he is today. I'm grateful everyday for the sacrifices he made, and I only hope i can afford my kids the same opportunities that I had. I want them to never have to worry about education or paying for it and I will do everything I can to give them every opportunity to succeed in this world. That's the way it should be.

 

[AntiEverything]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
My father worked his ass off from poverty you wouldn't even begin to understand you religious nutjob Cyclo to get where he is today. I'm grateful everyday for the sacrifices he made, and I only hope i can afford my kids the same opportunities that I had. I want them to never have to worry about education or paying for it because I will vote for any candidate that promises to take money from everybody else and give it to my kids. That's the way it should be.

Fixed.

 

[Cerb]

Yeah, well, Ernie was more educated than Burt!
That is all.

 

[ciba]

Originally posted by: Genesys
watch out, i see a resurgence of eugenics on the horizon.

and be prepared to be flamed as you will be drawing your conclusions based on race, political party, and the propincity for criminal behavior.

LOL

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Tabb
Why are most college students liberal? Because they are getting a education

Looks right and too good to pass up. Of course they are Democrats while they are learning. Once they surpass young and stupid, they become Republicans. The ones who start earning a living, that is. They become Republicans so that they can keep some of what they earn. If they don't get it about earning and want to live off the dole, they stay Democrats.

Liberal looks good to the novice.

 

[slurmsmackenzie]

joe wants blue, biff wants red.

blue and red just aren't gonna mix. so how you gonna give joe blue and biff red? you ain't. you dance around, toss out a few "from the heart" speeches, kiss a few babies and bury the other guy in his own dirt (which there is no shortage of on either side, mind you). kick in the nuts, punch in the face.
hmmmm...... that's a tough one. hey! i got it! i'll vote for the <holds back laughter> third party candidate.

 

[joshw10]

I dont understand the crap about how "democrats steal money and give it to people who wont work" and "republicans let you keep your hard earned money". Both parties support taxes, but seriously what's the overall difference in how much they would like to tax. 3%? 5%, tops? Oh no! All your hard earned money, gone!

while the people that actually do stuff and employ people are republican

that's an ignorant statement ntdz, I only hope you were exaggerating. There are plenty of "people who actually do stuff" and business owners who call themselves members of the democratic party. Not everything is about money.

I would be interested in seeing some figures of average income of Democrats vs. republicans vs. independents. I tried googling, but found nothing.

 

[manifesto]

Originally posted by: ciba
I see a claim at least once a week that democrats are more educated than republicans. I certainly won't dispute this as our universities attract democrats as educators (while private business attracts repubs).

I have never seen a discussion as to the propensity to commit crime. Has anyone ever run across a study comparing convicted felons and which political party they identify themselves with?

I was thinking about this today while reading an old article about the 2000 Florida votes and how the convicted felons (which were prohibited from voting) voted overwhelmingly for Gore. Of course, correlation does not mean causation, but it would be interesting to see how traditional "party values" play into this.

This wouldnt be a fair study. People of all types may commit crimes but on different levels. I.E. Theft/roberry vs tax fraud/stocks. As OJ simpson was a good proof, sometimes if u have the money to acquire a good lawyer, then you have the chance to an unfair trial. Since mostly rich people are republicans, the richer kids could getaway with more crimes. I'm sure the bush daughters never got any records of their criminal offenses. As to if the situation was placed on a poor kid they would have. It is good that Martha stewart was caught and placed in a fair trial, but I believe there are a lot more cases that existed and we just never heard about it.


It would be inmteresting to see the numbers compared ito the crimes actaully commited as to see the difference of the people being caught and punished.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Tabb
Why are most college students liberal? Because they are getting a education

Looks right and too good to pass up. Of course they are Democrats while they are learning. Once they surpass young and stupid, they become Republicans. The ones who start earning a living, that is. They become Republicans so that they can keep some of what they earn. If they don't get it about earning and want to live off the dole, they stay Democrats.

Liberal looks good to the novice.

You've hit the nail on the head. I was liberal when I was in college. But your values change when you get older. When all I cared about was getting drunk, banging chicks, getting financial aid from the government, all I wanted was a government in place that supported my lifestyle. The democratic party is the "cool" party. When you're young, you hate authority and rules, and the democratic party caters to that.

Then you graduate, get a job, and you wise up. You realize that this "party" society that you supported may not be the best environment to raise your kids. You realize that you worked hard to make a good salary, and you want to keep as much of it as you can. Even if that means unemployed strangers don't get as much free aid.

I have NEVER thought of the democratic party as being the "smart" party. Who came up with that one? LMAO! Being in college doesn't make you smart. Graduating and being successful at your job makes you smart. And I would bet more successful professionals are republican than democrat. Sure, there are the west/east coast rich liberals. But in my mind, I see most democrats as mainly younger people, union laborers, the unemployed, athiests, and people in general who want a government who will keep supporting their deadbeat lifestyle. I do not see the majority of democrats as intelligent professionals. That's a good one! :laugh:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Tabb
Why are most college students liberal? Because they are getting a education

Looks right and too good to pass up. Of course they are Democrats while they are learning. Once they surpass young and stupid, they become Republicans. The ones who start earning a living, that is. They become Republicans so that they can keep some of what they earn. If they don't get it about earning and want to live off the dole, they stay Democrats.

Liberal looks good to the novice.

You've hit the nail on the head. I was liberal when I was in college. But your values change when you get older. When all I cared about was getting drunk, banging chicks, getting financial aid from the government, all I wanted was a government in place that supported my lifestyle. The democratic party is the "cool" party. When you're young, you hate authority and rules, and the democratic party caters to that.

Then you graduate, get a job, and you wise up. You realize that this "party" society that you supported may not be the best environment to raise your kids. You realize that you worked hard to make a good salary, and you want to keep as much of it as you can. Even if that means unemployed strangers don't get as much free aid.

I have NEVER thought of the democratic party as being the "smart" party. Who came up with that one? LMAO! Being in college doesn't make you smart. Graduating and being successful at your job makes you smart. And I would bet more successful professionals are republican than democrat. Sure, there are the west/east coast rich liberals. But in my mind, I see most democrats as mainly younger people, union laborers, the unemployed, athiests, and people in general who want a government who will keep supporting their deadbeat lifestyle. I do not see the majority of democrats as intelligent professionals. That's a good one! :laugh:

That's funny, I see all the Podunkians who call up Limbaugh's show as your typical Republicans. Not many Nobel Prize winners there either Bubba!

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

That's funny, I see all the Podunkians who call up Limbaugh's show as your typical Republicans. Not many Nobel Prize winners there either Bubba!

Well, I don't listen to talk radio, and don't vouch for people who do. Both sides of the spectrum.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Rob9874
You've hit the nail on the head. I was liberal when I was in college. But your values change when you get older. When all I cared about was getting drunk, banging chicks, getting financial aid from the government, all I wanted was a government in place that supported my lifestyle. The democratic party is the "cool" party. When you're young, you hate authority and rules, and the democratic party caters to that.

Then you graduate, get a job, and you wise up. You realize that this "party" society that you supported may not be the best environment to raise your kids. You realize that you worked hard to make a good salary, and you want to keep as much of it as you can. Even if that means unemployed strangers don't get as much free aid.

I have NEVER thought of the democratic party as being the "smart" party. Who came up with that one? LMAO! Being in college doesn't make you smart. Graduating and being successful at your job makes you smart. And I would bet more successful professionals are republican than democrat. Sure, there are the west/east coast rich liberals. But in my mind, I see most democrats as mainly younger people, union laborers, the unemployed, athiests, and people in general who want a government who will keep supporting their deadbeat lifestyle. I do not see the majority of democrats as intelligent professionals. That's a good one! :laugh:

Huh, that's weird, I never went to college, and have never received any financial aid (despite being poor for a few years) and I'm liberal. Maybe some of us aren't so greedy, and aren't so tight-assed that we can deal with paying a little extra in taxes.
You do not see the majority of democrats as intelligent professionals? That's probably because you don't want to.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Rob9874
You've hit the nail on the head. I was liberal when I was in college. But your values change when you get older. When all I cared about was getting drunk, banging chicks, getting financial aid from the government, all I wanted was a government in place that supported my lifestyle. The democratic party is the "cool" party. When you're young, you hate authority and rules, and the democratic party caters to that.

Then you graduate, get a job, and you wise up. You realize that this "party" society that you supported may not be the best environment to raise your kids. You realize that you worked hard to make a good salary, and you want to keep as much of it as you can. Even if that means unemployed strangers don't get as much free aid.

I have NEVER thought of the democratic party as being the "smart" party. Who came up with that one? LMAO! Being in college doesn't make you smart. Graduating and being successful at your job makes you smart. And I would bet more successful professionals are republican than democrat. Sure, there are the west/east coast rich liberals. But in my mind, I see most democrats as mainly younger people, union laborers, the unemployed, athiests, and people in general who want a government who will keep supporting their deadbeat lifestyle. I do not see the majority of democrats as intelligent professionals. That's a good one! :laugh:

Huh, that's weird, I never went to college, and have never received any financial aid (despite being poor for a few years) and I'm liberal. Maybe some of us aren't so greedy, and aren't so tight-assed that we can deal with paying a little extra in taxes.
You do not see the majority of democrats as intelligent professionals? That's probably because you don't want to.

What is "tight-assed" about not wanting to pay more in taxes? Your statement proves everything I think about liberals. Why would you want to pay more taxes? You earned the money, you deserve to keep it. You do not OWE it to your government. If you feel an altruistic obligation (read Ayn Rand), then you can voluntarily give your money to good causes.

As far as my statements about democrat professionals, that is my opinion, which have been wrong in the past. I'm not saying there are none, but I don't see them as the majority. I think there's a reason the democratic party caters to the uneducated, unemployeed, lower income population, and that's because they have the numbers. If you want to win elections, just make promises that affect the majority of the people.