Dems use of 12-year old as Absolute Moral Authority against Bush's veto of SCHIP expansion backfires

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nice to see that the truth about this kid and his family has come out.

Using a 12 year old who goes to a $20,000 a year private school to fight for a program for the poor is rather pathetic.

the fact that he goes to a private school should really be a non-issue unless you have proof that he's not getting a scholarship, financial aid, or involved in some type of work study program.

A 12yr old in work study does not fly.

The other potential issues are not questions that people will ask.

The Dems made a poor choice in their example by not looking behind the curtain.

 

[CPA]

More hypocracy (in both the Dems use of the kid and lib posters who don't have a problem with it) from the left. Do you expect anything less?

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nice to see that the truth about this kid and his family has come out.

Using a 12 year old who goes to a $20,000 a year private school to fight for a program for the poor is rather pathetic.

the fact that he goes to a private school should really be a non-issue unless you have proof that he's not getting a scholarship, financial aid, or involved in some type of work study program.

A 12yr old in work study does not fly.

The other potential issues are not questions that people will ask.

The Dems made a poor choice in their example by not looking behind the curtain.

Maybe you guys are not looking behind the surface yourself. Just because a family has a few hundred thousand in assets (if those are even paid off) doesn't mean those can't be wiped out easily by a serious accident and medical bills resulting from it. So these attacks on a 12 year old and the middle class are going to backfire on your party real bad.

 

[Genx87]

OP, this is the unrealistic vision of America the left has. Eventhough these people can clearly afford the health insurance why should they pay for it when their neighbors can? Why should those kids have to sacrafice a 20K a year education for health insurance?

Then you wonder how it is all goign to be paid? Well by taxing the rich or by taxing the poor through regressive taxation duh.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
First, this was beat to death in another thread. Second, do you think that the insurance companies just say "You live in this zip so you get this rate"? Third, maybe the tuition was paid for in funds recovered AFTER THE CAR ACCIDENT WHICH LEFT THIS CHILD IN A COMA?? Lastly, what does any of this have to do with the fact that our idiot president would rather millions of kids go uninsured so that he can keep bombing millions of other kids who don't have insurance either?

The idiocy of those on the right to try to vilify anything that would help someone else without helping them even more is astounding, repulsive and downright immoral.

Well states do have mandates and those mandates typically help decide an insurance rate. Mandates being insurance has to cover x. That x may be anything depending on what the politicians wrote into the law. Nobody talks about these mandates in the insurance debate and how they affect private pricing for avg Americans.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nice to see that the truth about this kid and his family has come out.

Using a 12 year old who goes to a $20,000 a year private school to fight for a program for the poor is rather pathetic.

the fact that he goes to a private school should really be a non-issue unless you have proof that he's not getting a scholarship, financial aid, or involved in some type of work study program.

At the age of 12, I doubt either he or his younger sister are in a work-study program. The private school does not encompass the entire complaint against the Dems and the parent's of this child. It is merely a part as the father own his own business, the property where it is located (purchased at $190k in '99...probably worth $300k+ now), possibly rents out part of that property, owns a home valued in the half a million dollar range, recently remodeled kitchen with granite counter-tops, etc.

I'm familiar with all the accounting tricks that go with owning a business to reduce your personal income to the lowest possible level while you still get the benefits of a nice home and nice life for you and your family. If public health insurance is good enough for the parents why aren't public schools?

To quote Glenn Reynolds: "If business owners with half-million-dollar-plus homes and kids in expensive private schools now count as ?working families,? does this mean they?ll get tax cuts??[/quote]

The Dems have trotted out this boy and other children as an ideological shield and their hammering everyone in their way with it.

 

[Genx87]

To quote Glenn Reynolds: "If business owners with half-million-dollar-plus homes and kids in expensive private schools now count as ?working families,? does this mean they?ll get tax cuts??

This was the question I asked in the original veto thread as well. On one hand the dems claim people making 60K a year are rich on the other they are poor and require health care.

Either they are rich and should be taxed or they are poor and the income tax lifted. You cant have it both ways.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nice to see that the truth about this kid and his family has come out.

Using a 12 year old who goes to a $20,000 a year private school to fight for a program for the poor is rather pathetic.

the fact that he goes to a private school should really be a non-issue unless you have proof that he's not getting a scholarship, financial aid, or involved in some type of work study program.

A 12yr old in work study does not fly.

The other potential issues are not questions that people will ask.

The Dems made a poor choice in their example by not looking behind the curtain.

Maybe you guys are not looking behind the surface yourself. Just because a family has a few hundred thousand in assets (if those are even paid off) doesn't mean those can't be wiped out easily by a serious accident and medical bills resulting from it. So these attacks on a 12 year old and the middle class are going to backfire on your party real bad.

That's what insurance is for....to cover bills for stuff like this. The parents, despite clearly having the means to do so, chose NOT to purchase insurance for their kids either privately or through their business (where they would have enjoyed a discounted rate through various group plans). Instead, they chose to go on the government dole taking resources AWAY from children who truly need help.

 

[theeedude]

From link to that school's page:

Financial Assistance

Park enrolls students based on their talents and capabilities. Families who are unable to meet the full cost of tuition may apply for the Financial Assistance Program, which supplements tuition payments. Financial assistance does not need to be repaid.

In 2007, 18% of Park students in grades 1-12 received over $2 million in financial assistance that ranged from $1,000 per year to full tuition. Tuition remission for children of our faculty brings that total to 25% of the student body.

How do you know this kid is not on financial aid? Maybe you should look below the surface yourself before you attack a 12 year old or his middle class family.
I went to a 40K/year private college, but I pad less then what a state school would have cost because of financial aid.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Maybe you guys are not looking behind the surface yourself. Just because a family has a few hundred thousand in assets (if those are even paid off) doesn't mean those can't be wiped out easily by a serious accident and medical bills resulting from it. So these attacks on a 12 year old and the middle class are going to backfire on your party real bad.

Even more reason for the parents to figure out a plan to get health insurance for the kids.

 

[ProfJohn]

It is ironic that these parents were able to find ?affordable? housing in the form of a 3000 sq foot home, an ?affordable? place to open and operate their own business, and an ?affordable? way to send their kids to a $20,000 a year private school.

But can?t find ?affordable? health insurance :roll:

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
First, this was beat to death in another thread. Second, do you think that the insurance companies just say "You live in this zip so you get this rate"? Third, maybe the tuition was paid for in funds recovered AFTER THE CAR ACCIDENT WHICH LEFT THIS CHILD IN A COMA?? Lastly, what does any of this have to do with the fact that our idiot president would rather millions of kids go uninsured so that he can keep bombing millions of other kids who don't have insurance either?

It was a single car accident on an icy road so I doubt the insurance funds were enough to pay for $40k/year worth of schooling.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nice to see that the truth about this kid and his family has come out.

Using a 12 year old who goes to a $20,000 a year private school to fight for a program for the poor is rather pathetic.

the fact that he goes to a private school should really be a non-issue unless you have proof that he's not getting a scholarship, financial aid, or involved in some type of work study program.

A 12yr old in work study does not fly.

The other potential issues are not questions that people will ask.

The Dems made a poor choice in their example by not looking behind the curtain.

Maybe you guys are not looking behind the surface yourself. Just because a family has a few hundred thousand in assets (if those are even paid off) doesn't mean those can't be wiped out easily by a serious accident and medical bills resulting from it. So these attacks on a 12 year old and the middle class are going to backfire on your party real bad.

That's what insurance is for....to cover bills for stuff like this. The parents, despite clearly having the means to do so, chose NOT to purchase insurance for their kids either privately or through their business (where they would have enjoyed a discounted rate through various group plans). Instead, they chose to go on the government dole taking resources AWAY from children who truly need help.

You have not showed if they have the means. Yeah, maybe they have the means if they sell their business and home, and even then it's not clear how much they owe on those assets.
All you have presented is a generic quote for health insurance, which may not be available to them due to preexisting conditions and the aftermath of the kid's accident. You are judging this 12 year old and his middle class family without knowing anything about them.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
It is ironic that these parents were able to find ?affordable? housing in the form of a 3000 sq foot home, an ?affordable? place to open and operate their own business, and an ?affordable? way to send their kids to a $20,000 a year private school.

But can?t find ?affordable? health insurance :roll:

Oh they did, they found you, I, and the rest of America to pay for their health insurance.

 

[theeedude]

This kid is going to be paying for all the debt republicans racked up, but they don't want to keep him healthy enough to do it.
It's disgusting.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nice to see that the truth about this kid and his family has come out.

Using a 12 year old who goes to a $20,000 a year private school to fight for a program for the poor is rather pathetic.

the fact that he goes to a private school should really be a non-issue unless you have proof that he's not getting a scholarship, financial aid, or involved in some type of work study program.

A 12yr old in work study does not fly.

The other potential issues are not questions that people will ask.

The Dems made a poor choice in their example by not looking behind the curtain.

Maybe you guys are not looking behind the surface yourself. Just because a family has a few hundred thousand in assets (if those are even paid off) doesn't mean those can't be wiped out easily by a serious accident and medical bills resulting from it. So these attacks on a 12 year old and the middle class are going to backfire on your party real bad.

That's what insurance is for....to cover bills for stuff like this. The parents, despite clearly having the means to do so, chose NOT to purchase insurance for their kids either privately or through their business (where they would have enjoyed a discounted rate through various group plans). Instead, they chose to go on the government dole taking resources AWAY from children who truly need help.

You have not showed if they have the means. Yeah, maybe they have the means if they sell their business and home, and even then it's not clear how much they owe on those assets.
All you have presented is a generic quote for health insurance, which may not be available to them due to preexisting conditions and the aftermath of the kid's accident. You are judging this 12 year old and his middle class family without knowing anything about them.

Please, first find us any information on them recieving financial assistence on that 40K a year tuition. Second, you can hide a lot of income of a business to arrive at such a low income. Without looking through his books I think it is safe to say a family affording what they have is not middle class. They sound upper middle class to me. And to fund this expansion they and you want the poor(smokers) to fund it.

That is what gets me more than anything about the leftists and democrats who support this. They are supposed to be about helping the poor but it appears they are fine with trampling on them for now to gain the power they want.

 

[ProfJohn]

Looks like this is not the first time that Democrats have tried to use children to push healthcare and had it blow up in their face.

Check out this bit

Jennifer?s mother wrote a widely-publicized letter to the White House. ?Do you know what it is like to choose between purchasing groceries for the week to feed your family or buying needed medications for your chronically ill child?? Kathleen Bush asked. Pale and wan, young Jennifer suffered from unidentified chronic digestive problems and myriad ailments from birth. She had her gall bladder, appendix, and fragments of her intestines removed. Those organs were replaced with a tangled cable of feeding tubes that constricted Jennifer?s 43-pound frame. Surgeons threaded a catheter into the girl?s heart. After 200 hospital visits and 40 operations, the Bush family had racked up medical bills worth more than $2 million.

Puzzled doctors and nurses scratched their heads over Jennifer?s 33,000-page medical file. The media ran maudlin profiles of the family. With TV crews in tow, saintly mother and sickly child headed up to Capitol Hill to campaign for Clinton-sponsored health insurance mandates.

Politicians unquestioningly embraced the Bushes and their tale of need. Hillary cuddled with seven-year-old Jennifer for the cameras; their mugs were splashed on the pages of USA Today and newspapers across the country. Shamelessly coached, Jennifer gave the Clintons a lucky silver dollar ?to bring you good luck so everyone can have good insurance.? In another pre-programmed, kiddie-sized soundbite, Jennifer dutifully told the press: ?I pray every night that I can get better - and that everyone can have insurance.?

Jennifer?s mother reveled in the relentless media attention and generous outpourings of public sympathy. Dropped by the family?s health insurer, out of a job, and in allegedly dire financial straits, Mrs. Bush poignantly appealed for government relief from the burden of Jennifer?s mysterious illness. ?It?s strangling us,? she told one reporter.

But who was strangling whom? Several years before Hillary deified Mrs. Bush and elevated Jennifer to poster-child stardom, suspicious medical professionals had already begun questioning the mother?s role in making her ?beautiful little angel? sick. Nurses complained that Mrs. Bush was force-feeding her child with unnecessary seizure drugs that made her vomit. Independent specialists conducted extensive tests on Jennifer and found no evidence of digestive disorders. When Jennifer was separated from her mother for treatment at a Cincinnati hospital, the starved child feasted mightily on pizza, hot dogs, and chocolate bars. Meanwhile, authorities discovered that while the Bush family claimed poverty because of Jennifer?s health problems, they had splurged on trips to the Bahamas and Disney World, house remodeling, and a new Harley-Davidson motorcycle.

Dr. Eli Newberger, a professor of pediatrics at Harvard Medical School, concluded that nothing in Jennifer?s extensive records indicated ?that the child has any underlying illness except the suffering she has had to endure as a result of efforts to portray her as needing urgent care.? Jennifer was removed from her family in 1996 and has been healthy ever since.

?[In February 2000], Kathleen Bush ? Hillary Clinton?s once-proud and loud sister in arms ? was sentenced to five years in prison on two counts of aggravated child abuse and one count of fraud. She also pled guilty to a separate count of welfare fraud for misrepresenting $60,000 in assets on Medicaid forms. ?There was probably more abuse in this single case,? lead prosecutor Bob Nichols noted, ?than in all of the child-abuse cases I?ve prosecuted in my life combined.?

Obviously this current story is VERY different, but it does show you how eager Democrats are to jump at anything that might give them an edge in pushing their agenda.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: senseamp
This kid is going to be paying for all the debt republicans racked up, but they don't want to keep him healthy enough to do it.
It's disgusting.

Witnessing cognitive dissonance is an amazing thing sometimes.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: senseamp
This kid is going to be paying for all the debt republicans racked up, but they don't want to keep him healthy enough to do it.
It's disgusting.

Hey bunkie, pretty sure democrats crafted this years budget. The same budget that saw increases across the board and didnt balance.

You cant blame the republicans from now on and especially not next year when they have the WH as well.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nice to see that the truth about this kid and his family has come out.

Using a 12 year old who goes to a $20,000 a year private school to fight for a program for the poor is rather pathetic.

the fact that he goes to a private school should really be a non-issue unless you have proof that he's not getting a scholarship, financial aid, or involved in some type of work study program.

A 12yr old in work study does not fly.

The other potential issues are not questions that people will ask.

The Dems made a poor choice in their example by not looking behind the curtain.

Maybe you guys are not looking behind the surface yourself. Just because a family has a few hundred thousand in assets (if those are even paid off) doesn't mean those can't be wiped out easily by a serious accident and medical bills resulting from it. So these attacks on a 12 year old and the middle class are going to backfire on your party real bad.

That's what insurance is for....to cover bills for stuff like this. The parents, despite clearly having the means to do so, chose NOT to purchase insurance for their kids either privately or through their business (where they would have enjoyed a discounted rate through various group plans). Instead, they chose to go on the government dole taking resources AWAY from children who truly need help.

You have not showed if they have the means. Yeah, maybe they have the means if they sell their business and home, and even then it's not clear how much they owe on those assets.
All you have presented is a generic quote for health insurance, which may not be available to them due to preexisting conditions and the aftermath of the kid's accident. You are judging this 12 year old and his middle class family without knowing anything about them.

Please, first find us any information on them recieving financial assistence on that 40K a year tuition. Second, you can hide a lot of income of a business to arrive at such a low income. Without looking through his books I think it is safe to say a family affording what they have is not middle class. They sound upper middle class to me. And to fund this expansion they and you want the poor(smokers) to fund it.

That is what gets me more than anything about the leftists and democrats who support this. They are supposed to be about helping the poor but it appears they are fine with trampling on them for now to gain the power they want.

Poor smokers will only fund it while they keep smoking. Once they quit, we'll get your tax privileged hedge fund managers to pay income taxes like the rest of us.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Poor smokers will only fund it while they keep smoking. Once they quit, we'll get your tax privileged hedge fund managers to pay income taxes like the rest of us.

Interestingly, hedge fund managers (like George Soros) overwhelmingly donate to Dem causes and candidates.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: senseamp
This kid is going to be paying for all the debt republicans racked up, but they don't want to keep him healthy enough to do it.
It's disgusting.

Hey bunkie, pretty sure democrats crafted this years budget. The same budget that saw increases across the board and didnt balance.

You cant blame the republicans from now on and especially not next year when they have the WH as well.

Democrats are doing pay go. It's Republican passed deficits that are growing debt now.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Poor smokers will only fund it while they keep smoking. Once they quit, we'll get your tax privileged hedge fund managers to pay income taxes like the rest of us.

That doesnt negate the fact you are expoliting the poor to fund a middle to upper middle class health care program.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: senseamp
Poor smokers will only fund it while they keep smoking. Once they quit, we'll get your tax privileged hedge fund managers to pay income taxes like the rest of us.

Interestingly, hedge fund managers overwhelmingly donate to Dem causes and candidates.

The ones with a conscience do. There was one on CNBC this morning saying why the hell am I paying cap gains tax rates on ordinary income from management fees?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: senseamp
This kid is going to be paying for all the debt republicans racked up, but they don't want to keep him healthy enough to do it.
It's disgusting.

Hey bunkie, pretty sure democrats crafted this years budget. The same budget that saw increases across the board and didnt balance.

You cant blame the republicans from now on and especially not next year when they have the WH as well.

Democrats are doing pay go. It's Republican passed deficits that are growing debt now.

O really? Well looks like you have all the excuses then lol

Fact is the dems didnt balance the budget any better than republicans. And when Hillary gets into the house next year and gets her hillary care rubber stamped by a democrat congress. The budget wont look any better.