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Dems to voters: You may hate us, but GOP is worse

It may or may not work at getting Votes, but IMO what they are saying is correct. Indeed the situation in the US sucks, no doubt about that, but the solution isn't to put those responsible back into power.
 
How are people not getting it is both the repukes and dems that are the issue??? The never ending shift of power and finger pointing is ridiculous. I seriously do not get how these two corrupt groups succeed at getting so many cheerleaders to support them
 
sandorski said:
It may or may not work at getting Votes, but IMO what they are saying is correct. Indeed the situation in the US sucks, no doubt about that, but the solution isn't to put those responsible back into power.
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imo Dems and Repubs are responsible and to try and put more blame on one party than the other is retarded. we've been going back and forth between the two for damn near 100 years and have nothing has really changed between the two. we need NEW blood in the system and that's why I'm hoping the Tea Party succeeds. Not so much because I agree with their view points, but more so to shake up our current two party system and hopefully introduce the possibility for more parties to rise up and give us some actual choice besides an R and a D.
 
dud said:
This is the most pathetic plea for votes that I've ever seen:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100917/ap_on_el_ge/us_desperate_democrats


The Democrats will now reap the failure of their inability to compromise and work with the Republicans. Later, the Republicans will reap their own failure IF they cannot compromise and work with the Democrats.

- An independent who voted for Obama ... and now sorely regrets it.



Rant over
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I'd really be embarrassed to have you on 'my side'.

The most pathetic? Obviously you prefer the flat out polished lie than the truth.

The *Democrats* couldn't compromise? You are ignorant. The blatant refusal of the Republicans to vote for almost ANYTHING - even their own previous policies - is lost on you.

What did you expect voting for Obama? What could possibly be better about the Republicans than Obama hasn't done? You regret voting for him - McCain would be BETTER? What a joke.
 
These two groups are smart though, they have succeeded in dividing the people and keeping it that way. It is similar to hardcore sports fanatics supporting their team and the opposing team is the enemy etc
 
Americans need to take a serious look at alt parties. Until they do this train wreck will continue. Green, Constitution, etc represent most Americans more faithfully than two ever could.
 
Craig234 said:
I'd really be embarrassed to have you on 'my side'.

The most pathetic? Obviously you prefer the flat out polished lie than the truth.

The *Democrats* couldn't compromise? You are ignorant. The blatant refusal of the Republicans to vote for almost ANYTHING - even their own previous policies - is lost on you.

What did you expect voting for Obama? What could possibly be better about the Republicans than Obama hasn't done? You regret voting for him - McCain would be BETTER? What a joke.
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ROFL! Yes the Dems have never polished a lie ever. Moron. Keep being part of the problem instead of part of the solution. Keep pushing your party, fuck the fact the Ds and the Rs have fucked shit up for going on 100 years now.
 
Zebo said:
Americans need to take a serious look at alt parties. Until they do this train wreck will continue. Green, Constitution, etc represent most Americans more faithfully than two ever could.
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The problem is the fear they have for the other party keeps them in their own.

I'd like to see Progressives distance themselves from the Democrat party, as most Libertarians have done from the Republican Party. Heck, I think it would be great if Progressives and Libertarians would join and create a 3rd party, a party that is strong on social liberties, anti-empire, anti-war, pro gov't transparency, pro balanced budgets, anti corruption. There would obviously be strong disagreement on economic policies and taxes, but I think looking at the big picture, that would be acceptable. Would they win? Probably not, but if the other two parties are forced to embrace some of those stances in order to stay alive, then we're better off.
 
bamacre said:
The problem is the fear they have for the other party keeps them in their own.

I'd like to see Progressives distance themselves from the Democrat party, as most Libertarians have done from the Republican Party. Heck, I think it would be great if Progressives and Libertarians would join and create a 3rd party, a party that is strong on social liberties, anti-empire, anti-war, pro gov't transparency, pro balanced budgets, anti corruption. There would obviously be strong disagreement on economic policies and taxes, but I think looking at the big picture, that would be acceptable. Would they win? Probably not, but if the other two parties are forced to embrace some of those stances in order to stay alive, then we're better off.
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I agree that there is considerable natural alignment between liberals and libertarians on a broad range of issues. However, I don't think libertarians (Ron Paul a possible exception) see it that way. I think they feel more naturally aligned with conservatives. Accordingly, I don't see the two ever joining.

- wolf
 
Zebo said:
Americans need to take a serious look at alt parties. Until they do this train wreck will continue. Green, Constitution, etc represent most Americans more faithfully than two ever could.
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Hell, I'd vote Socialist party before I vote Rep or Dem. At least they're not the entrenched wealthy corrupt bastards that fill the two main parties.
 
bamacre said:
The problem is the fear they have for the other party keeps them in their own.

I'd like to see Progressives distance themselves from the Democrat party, as most Libertarians have done from the Republican Party. Heck, I think it would be great if Progressives and Libertarians would join and create a 3rd party, a party that is strong on social liberties, anti-empire, anti-war, pro gov't transparency, pro balanced budgets, anti corruption. There would obviously be strong disagreement on economic policies and taxes, but I think looking at the big picture, that would be acceptable. Would they win? Probably not, but if the other two parties are forced to embrace some of those stances in order to stay alive, then we're better off.
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There are limited choices in politics for a minority group. The progressives shows what happens when they are not in power to the Republicans under Bush - disaster.

The problem is that the progressives aren't the majority elected - and so they have to ally with others for having power, or have the Bush situation again.

It might be nice for them to be recorded as the minority 'no' vote on hundreds of bad bills, but it doesn't do much for the country.

The progressives are the party for the majority of people, at war with the concentrated wealth who propagandize the people not to support progressives.

Despite Kucinich and Paul allying on specific issue, the Libertarians are too wrong for progressives to ally with generally - but they could on something like money in politics.

The thing is, progressives + libertarians don't form a majority.

No, wealth goes a long way in propagandizing people - look at the dupes in this forum who repeat the well-funded talking points.

We just need people getting informed and then supporting what's right. We didn't follow Hoover with a Republican, we followed him with change - and we need more of that.
 
JSt0rm said:
Really? You regret not having palin 1 step away from presidency? 😵
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Oh we only had two choices when voting for President? I didn't realize we were only allowed to vote for McCain or Obama, hope there are no repercussions for me not voting for an R or D.
 
Craig234 said:
There are limited choices in politics for a minority group. The progressives shows what happens when they are not in power to the Republicans under Bush - disaster.

The problem is that the progressives aren't the majority elected - and so they have to ally with others for having power, or have the Bush situation again.

It might be nice for them to be recorded as the minority 'no' vote on hundreds of bad bills, but it doesn't do much for the country.

The progressives are the party for the majority of people, at war with the concentrated wealth who propagandize the people not to support progressives.

Despite Kucinich and Paul allying on specific issue, the Libertarians are too wrong for progressives to ally with generally - but they could on something like money in politics.

The thing is, progressives + libertarians don't form a majority.

No, wealth goes a long way in propagandizing people - look at the dupes in this forum who repeat the well-funded talking points.

We just need people getting informed and then supporting what's right. We didn't follow Hoover with a Republican, we followed him with change - and we need more of that.
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What up Craig?
 
SAWYER said:
How are people not getting it is both the repukes and dems that are the issue??? The never ending shift of power and finger pointing is ridiculous. I seriously do not get how these two corrupt groups succeed at getting so many cheerleaders to support them
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Because the problem ISN'T the Republicans or the Democrats...it's the voters. Voters will readily say they don't like politics and politicians, while voting the exact opposite, because it sounds good to say but is harder to follow. And both parties have capitalized on this, although the Republicans are, as usual, much better at it. Clever campaigns allow the voters to FEEL like they're rejecting business as usual without forcing them to give up the partisan bullshit that voters secretly LOVE. The Tea Party in particular is made of this strategy, managing to both reject existing government while embracing the absolute worst aspects of partisan politics.

And that's the dirty little secret about why you shouldn't expect a lot of real political change any time soon...voters LIKE stupid politics. You don't even have to look any farther than the political commentary section of your local paper or cable TV station to see the evidence. Nowhere to be found are the well reasoned debates between intelligent people who disagree with each other, but respect their adversary's opinion. Instead, it's half-wits screaming at each other and trying to place first in the race to the bottom of the barrel. Bill O'Reilly style commentators used to be the worst example of this, but Glenn Beck makes O'Reilly look like Abe Lincoln by comparison. Politicians like John McCain, a guy you can respect even if you disagree with him, have to be chained to idiots like Sarah Palin to have any chance of getting votes within their own party. I realize my examples here are Republicans, but honestly the Democrats and the left in general don't fare much better.
 
dud said:
This is the most pathetic plea for votes that I've ever seen:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100917/ap_on_el_ge/us_desperate_democrats


The Democrats will now reap the failure of their inability to compromise and work with the Republicans. Later, the Republicans will reap their own failure IF they cannot compromise and work with the Democrats.

- An independent who voted for Obama ... and now sorely regrets it.

Rant over
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Its sad, but they're right. Democratic leadership is like having continous diarrhea. Republican leadership takes that diarrhea and adds hourly anal rapes using hot sauce as the lube.

Either way is death, but the Democratic way is less painful.

In fairness to the Democrats, they did attempt to compromise. This is one reason why the Public Option was killed and why Medicare for all was never an option. And attempting to compromise with the Republicans is stupid because their idea of compromise is for the Democrats to simply do as they're told.
 
SAWYER said:
How are people not getting it is both the repukes and dems that are the issue??? The never ending shift of power and finger pointing is ridiculous. I seriously do not get how these two corrupt groups succeed at getting so many cheerleaders to support them
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I don't agree with you too often, but on this i do. and until we can get them out of the picture, nothing will change. I think the only way that will happen is if DC is destroyed.
 
SammyJr said:
Its sad, but they're right. Democratic leadership is like having continous diarrhea. Republican leadership takes that diarrhea and adds hourly anal rapes using hot sauce as the lube.

Either way is death, but the Democratic way is less painful.

In fairness to the Democrats, they did attempt to compromise. This is one reason why the Public Option was killed and why Medicare for all was never an option. And attempting to compromise with the Republicans is stupid because their idea of compromise is for the Democrats to simply do as they're told.
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They only tried to compromise to get the votes they needed - not out of any sense that they were doing what was right. They knew the bill was a steaming pile, which is why they pulled a lot of cheap tricks to push it through. They thought that doing something was better than doing nothing, but in this case (and most others) they were probably wrong.
 
bamacre said:
I'm sure you're not alone. 😀
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I know he's not alone. At work there are tons of people who are generally non-political who voted for Obama because they were sick of the Bush years and wanted a change. It's absolutely amazing to see the turnaround: from people having Obama flags and stickers in their offices to his name being equivalent to an expletive -- in 2 years.
 
dawp said:
I don't agree with you too often, but on this i do. and until we can get them out of the picture, nothing will change. I think the only way that will happen is if DC is destroyed.
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And the forces that make DC so bad and unfixable will be prevented by making anything new made from being as bad or worse by what?

That's how democracy is destroyed - people don't value the good parts among the bad and destroy things and get worse. If you can't fix this, you can't make a good new government.

We *have* plenty of good people, and need more; we have a good political faction that needs more votes, progressive Dems (against corporatist Dems and Republicans).
 
Rainsford said:
I realize my examples here are Republicans, but honestly the Democrats and the left in general don't fare much better.
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The Democrats have plenty of disasters, but the good Democrats fare far better than any of the Republicans.

Pelosi, Grayson, Waxman, Kucinich, Woolsey, Boxer, Feingold for a start, all have a far better agenda, far less corporate corruption than the corporatist Dems and Republicans.
 
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