Dems poop the bed on eviction moratorium extension

[Mai72]

We as a society need to learn from what happened last year. Save. Invest. Have at least 1 year savings to cover expenses.

Too many Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.

 

[compuwiz1]

Evict guns from homes means War, Evict people and few care.

They are not the same. You don't get to occupy someone else's property indefinitely, while not paying rent. Life is not fair, nobody owes you shit, including the government. What this country is suffering from is a huge mentality of entitlement. People were given relief, any many of them did not prepare for it to come to an end. I want to know how many of those people sat on their asses and collected unemployment, even though they could have worked? I know a couple people who still are, who are totally capable, but have made no effort whatsoever. Giving people blasts of money, moratoriums on rent and mortgages, eventually creates an enabling situation that does not help people. Give a man a fish scenario. I've got a friend with a 25 year old son, BA degree in finance and has never worked in the field he was educated in. He Uber drove for a bit, then when the rules got loose, went on unemployment, citing COVID fear as the reason for not working. All he's done is stay home and play video games all year. Reality is gonna hit this young man hard someday.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

The eviction moratorium was always a flawed concept. At best it defers mass eviction until people are back to work so they can at least work out new terms with the landlord or afford a new place. But to think anyone was ever going to make good on 6+ months rent payments is insanity. The program needed to be a pause on rent and mortgage payments and extend the terms equal to the deferral period. That should keep ever everyone housed, rents somewhat stable, be minimal harm to landlords, and modest harm to banks who frankly owe society after their bailout anyway.

 

[Greenman]

Are property taxes for landlords differed if their tenants stop paying?

 

[Zorba]

I agree with this for the most part. If someone CAN work, they SHOULD work. Its a job seekers market right now. Just about every store Ive gone into in the last 6 months have signs saying theyre hiring. Many are $15/hr plus. Just yesterday, I went to my local Home Depot, and their sign said theyre hiring 7 FT positions at $16+/hour. As another poster said, this moratorium was never meant to forgive rent payments. Everyone knew this, and knew they would eventually need to pay it back. I cant imagine if a renter got employment again couldnt work something out with their landlords. Just chip away at it.

The problem with these freezes is people have gotten so far behind there will be no catching up. People are going to be so indebt to landlords and utility companies that bankruptcy will be their only real option.

We should've used much more of the stimulus on helping people get out from under these massive debts, instead of checks and PPP.

But we can't just keep kicking the can down the road, renters are just getting further into a hole. There should've be some phasing out of it instead of just opening the flood gates, though.

 

[Moonbeam]

We as a society need to learn from what happened last year. Save. Invest. Have at least 1 year savings to cover expenses.

Too many Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.

Right. They should be able to save that just by doubling the time they panhandle a year. Their problem, of course, is that they just happen not to have those moral values of self reliance and determination you fantasize makes conservatives and yourself so superior to other people. It’s the story of the grasshopper and the smug superiority of the aunts until they die if starvation after a locust storm has left behind nothing in its wake.

 

[hal2kilo]

They only spent 5% of the money available to both renters and landlords. Sounds like a process problem as well.

 

[kage69]

They are not the same. You don't get to occupy someone else's property indefinitely, while not paying rent. Life is not fair, nobody owes you shit, including the government. What this country is suffering from is a huge mentality of entitlement. People were given relief, any many of them did not prepare for it to come to an end. I want to know how many of those people sat on their asses and collected unemployment, even though they could have worked? I know a couple people who still are, who are totally capable, but have made no effort whatsoever. Giving people blasts of money, moratoriums on rent and mortgages, eventually creates an enabling situation that does not help people. Give a man a fish scenario. I've got a friend with a 25 year old son, BA degree in finance and has never worked in the field he was educated in. He Uber drove for a bit, then when the rules got loose, went on unemployment, citing COVID fear as the reason for not working. All he's done is stay home and play video games all year. Reality is gonna hit this young man hard someday.

I don't think anyone is saying they are, but it is curious how the sanctity of property rights goes out the window with republicans now if it involves guns or covid19 restrictions. You guys look like raving zealots again, flipping the switch on another hot button issue without a flinch because it's convenient. Do you not get what this says about your credibility? When does this position get applied to corporations?

This country is not suffering from a huge mentality of entitlement. This country is suffering from a money over life problem, from hypocrites who have turned their backs on the Constitution and the public good, who have broken their oaths of office by caring more about their feels and culture war than doing their jobs and faithfully serving that public good. Instead you pissheads are locked in your own little bubble where insurrections don't matter and your greatest fear is too many Americans exercising their Constitutional right to vote.

So really, spare us your blather about reality. You don't even vacation there. We probably wouldn't even be having this conversation if republicans respected science and took the pandemic seriously from the beginning. ""Pro-lifers" strike again. So far it's cost the country 610k Americans; 1.5 million American kids have lost at least one person to a preventable disease. For someone who likes to cite the financial side of things, it's alarming you don't seem to understand the continued economic damage that comes along with a covid-rich future your kind are cultivating (over politics).

 

[kage69]

The eviction moratoriums did NOT absolve tenants from paying rent (pay attention here, @BoomerD ).

If a tenant didn't/couldn't pay rent for 6 months or a year because of lost wages or whatever their personal reasoning, that debt wasn't magically erased by stimulus and protections. At the end of the moratorium, that back rent was still going to be owed, and this was never a secret.

I agree the Dems dropped the ball on an extension. But a last second surprise, this was not. I think it was just expected and assumed by many that the WH and/or congress would be extending those moratoriums and it didn't happen.

Good catch, my lack of focus on this is showing and I think I somehow applied what I'd heard about assistance in VT to everywhere. My mistake. Doesn't apply to everyone here either, some get partial assistance and some will be rejected.

I have a hard time bashing the Biden admin and the rational part of Congress, there's so much to do and time is a luxury the country simply doesn't have. Running the country, fighting covid despite republican anti-vax efforts and misinformation, trying to unfuck what Trump's people did to the courts, trying to thwart the ongoing republican campaign to steal the next elections, deal with China and Russia's new Cold War behavior..oy vey, the list could go on for awhile. I guess I can see how something might fall through the cracks, but damn. Little too much pass the buck going on for something of this weight for sure.

I think it speaks well of people like AOC who are not attempting to puss out or shift blame for this either. She didn't blame Keven McCarthy, Tucker Carlson or the Proud Boys, she put it squarely at the feet of the Dem controlled Congress. Same kind of response the Rs got when they controlled everything. Bravo.