Dems on outsourcing

[HBalzer]

In a speech to the Communications Workers of America on Tuesday, Pelosi mentioned Democrats' opposition to outsourcing. She said Democrats will end tax subsidies for companies that send jobs overseas.

She also said Democrats support the "right of all Americans to organize," a sentiment that goes over well with labor unions such as the CWA.

To protect workers who want to join unions, Pelosi said Democrats are "fighting" to pass the Employee Free Choice Act, sponsored by Rep. George Miller (D-Calif.) in the House and Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) in the Senate. "The bill will guarantee that when a majority of workers in a company want a union, they will get a union," Pelosi said.

Democrats also support an increase in the minimum wage. Pelosi, describing the income of corporate American CEOs as "immoral," used Wal-Mart to make her point:

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200603\POL20060315b.html

Both parties have lost their minds.

Companies are outsourcing because of unions driving up the cost of American workers so the plan is to have more unions. Yea, that well make American companies want to use American workers. Look what the unions have done to the American auto industry, it?s crazy.

 

[Meuge]

I've said this before - our political parties have forsaken any sanity, and are running full speed into the far extreme of their ideologies. The problem is that the far right is much stronger than the far left in this country, thus guaranteeing a win for the Republicans.

 

[Steeplerot]

Sounds more to me like look what out of control greedy companies have done to screw over american workers to make a quick buck by outsourcing.

What goes around comes around.


From another forum:

http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economics/14-03-2006/77274-strike-0


At the Ford assembly factory in Vsevolzhsk a sit-down strike began on Monday ? the workers refuse to carry out their overtime work, which will lead to a decrease in production of a quarter. The trade union representing the workers is demanding a 30% increase in working pay from the company and is threatening to completely stop production at the factory. Experts think, however, that this is unlikely a cause a decrease in the supply of Ford cars in Russia.



Production at the Vsevolzhsk factory will fall by a quarter




In the mean time the factory trade union not only has no intention of agreeing to the leadership?s terms, but is threatening their employer with even tougher sanctions, reports Kommersant. ?We are not happy with the management?s proposals for the pay increase,? stresses Mr. Etmanov. ?Most likely, the sit-down strike will continue until the end of this week, during which time the trade union will examine the possibility of launching an ongoing strike. The workers support this idea.?

We recall that the conflict between the workers? trade union and the management of the Ford factory in Vsevolzhsk began back in autumn 2005. At that time the trade union demanded an increase in workers? pay of 30%, a leveling-out of salaries for workers with differing qualifications carrying out the same job, and also permission for the trade union to allocate money from the social insurance fund. The company?s management made gradual concessions.

Firstly the trade union was granted access to the distribution of the social insurance fund, and in December the management established a new system for calculating salaries and bonuses, which took into consideration the trade union?s desire for equal pay for the same work. Only the question of an increase in salaries remained unresolved. It was discussed throughout the whole of February, but this demand was not realized. At the end of February the workers walked out of talks and again began to threaten a strike, reports newspaper Vedomosti.






The Russian workers want a 30% increase :laugh: maybe Ford should have kept their freakin plants in America... Russia just shut down and took over a GM plant and just paid GM pennies on the dollar of a GM auto plant and our making RUSSIAN CARS... why should other countries allow American Corporations to use their cheap labor and profit from it... when they can simply kick america out and make Russian cars.......

Theres a lesson here that more and more overseas countries are learning.......

 

[RightIsWrong]

So you think that unions getting workers a wage that they can live on and not corporate board members making seven figure salaries and getting multi-million dollar severence packages is driving American companies into the ground?

You do realize that, in your example of the auto industry, that the "foreign" auto manufacturers are paying MORE than the union jobs, right? They are just making a better product more economically and have better management skills because they are taking a little less for themselves.

It's the age-old philosophy of selling in volume to make your profit. Wal-mart is a perfect example of this also. They sell their crap at little to marginal markups but still make a killing because of how much of it they sell.

Pelosi is right, if you end the corporate subsidies, they will find a way to pay their employees HERE in the states and also find a way to maximize profits through efficiency as opposed to third world labor rates.

 

[Sentinel]

They will put this into effect, which will be paying people way over what the work is actually worth. It could put businesses into bankruptcy, creating a worse economy than we have now.

 

[Todd33]

So the solution to avoid exploiting foreign workers is to exploit our own? Maybe we should go back to the days of kids in the coal mines, that what conservatives seem to like.

Fod wasn't killed by unions, it was killed by crappy cars.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Sentinel
They will put this into effect, which will be paying people way over what the work is actually worth.

It could put businesses into bankruptcy, creating a worse economy than we have now.

But you Republicans claim it's the best Economy ever.

Make up your friggin minds, you can't have it both ways.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: HBalzer
In a speech to the Communications Workers of America on Tuesday, Pelosi mentioned Democrats' opposition to outsourcing. She said Democrats will end tax subsidies for companies that send jobs overseas.

She also said Democrats support the "right of all Americans to organize," a sentiment that goes over well with labor unions such as the CWA.

To protect workers who want to join unions, Pelosi said Democrats are "fighting" to pass the Employee Free Choice Act, sponsored by Rep. George Miller (D-Calif.) in the House and Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) in the Senate. "The bill will guarantee that when a majority of workers in a company want a union, they will get a union," Pelosi said.

Democrats also support an increase in the minimum wage. Pelosi, describing the income of corporate American CEOs as "immoral," used Wal-Mart to make her point:

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200603\POL20060315b.html

Both parties have lost their minds.

Companies are outsourcing because of unions driving up the cost of American workers so the plan is to have more unions. Yea, that well make American companies want to use American workers. Look what the unions have done to the American auto industry, it?s crazy.

Topic Title: Dems on outsourcing
Topic Summary: I cry for this country

i cry for this Country that it believes in $2.96 hr jobs pushed by the Republicans

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Sentinel
They will put this into effect, which will be paying people way over what the work is actually worth. It could put businesses into bankruptcy, creating a worse economy than we have now.

You mean like CEO's, goverment employees, health care workers, etc??

 

[HBalzer]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Sentinel
They will put this into effect, which will be paying people way over what the work is actually worth.

It could put businesses into bankruptcy, creating a worse economy than we have now.

But you Republicans claim it's the best Economy ever.

Make up your friggin minds, you can't have it both ways.

Read this one again. Maybe you'll get it right!

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Sentinel
They will put this into effect, which will be paying people way over what the work is actually worth.

It could put businesses into bankruptcy, creating a worse economy than we have now.

But you Republicans claim it's the best Economy ever.

Make up your friggin minds, you can't have it both ways.

Read this one again. Maybe you'll get it right!

So, I take it you're for alleviating the burden on businesses and going to a universal healthcare system.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Sentinel
They will put this into effect, which will be paying people way over what the work is actually worth.

It could put businesses into bankruptcy, creating a worse economy than we have now.

But you Republicans claim it's the best Economy ever.

Make up your friggin minds, you can't have it both ways.

Read this one again. Maybe you'll get it right!

For some people it's just can't get much worse, or are you planning on letting them starve?

 

[HBalzer]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Sentinel
They will put this into effect, which will be paying people way over what the work is actually worth.

It could put businesses into bankruptcy, creating a worse economy than we have now.

But you Republicans claim it's the best Economy ever.

Make up your friggin minds, you can't have it both ways.

Read this one again. Maybe you'll get it right!

For some people it's just can't get much worse, or are you planning on letting them starve?

come again?

 

[Moonbeam]

When people get sick enough of the economic disparity that exists in the world they will tear down the established order.

 

[HBalzer]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Sentinel
They will put this into effect, which will be paying people way over what the work is actually worth.

It could put businesses into bankruptcy, creating a worse economy than we have now.

But you Republicans claim it's the best Economy ever.

Make up your friggin minds, you can't have it both ways.

Read this one again. Maybe you'll get it right!

So, I take it you're for alleviating the burden on businesses and going to a universal healthcare system.

Have you people lost all reason? Sentinel wrote "They will put this into effect" most likely referring to the Democrats. He then said ?It could put businesses into bankruptcy, creating a worse economy than we have now.? All this means is that by doing so things could get worse.

And the response is ?But you Republicans claim it's the best Economy ever.

Make up your friggin minds, you can't have it both ways? what the hell is that?

So I say read it again

Then you say ?So, I take it you're for alleviating the burden on businesses and going to a universal healthcare system.?

How did read it again lead you to that response?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Sentinel
They will put this into effect, which will be paying people way over what the work is actually worth.

It could put businesses into bankruptcy, creating a worse economy than we have now.

But you Republicans claim it's the best Economy ever.

Make up your friggin minds, you can't have it both ways.

Read this one again. Maybe you'll get it right!

So, I take it you're for alleviating the burden on businesses and going to a universal healthcare system.

Have you people lost all reason? Sentinel wrote "They will put this into effect" most likely referring to the Democrats. He then said ?It could put businesses into bankruptcy, creating a worse economy than we have now.? All this means is that by doing so things could get worse.

And the response is ?But you Republicans claim it's the best Economy ever.

Make up your friggin minds, you can't have it both ways? what the hell is that?

So I say read it again

Then you say ?So, I take it you're for alleviating the burden on businesses and going to a universal healthcare system.?

How did read it again lead you to that response?

Sigh. Your OP once again...

Companies are outsourcing because of unions driving up the cost of American workers so the plan is to have more unions. Yea, that well make American companies want to use American workers. Look what the unions have done to the American auto industry, it?s crazy.

What's one of the biggest expenses for auto companies? Healthcare.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Sentinel
They will put this into effect, which will be paying people way over what the work is actually worth.

It could put businesses into bankruptcy, creating a worse economy than we have now.

But you Republicans claim it's the best Economy ever.

Make up your friggin minds, you can't have it both ways.

Read this one again. Maybe you'll get it right!

For some people it's just can't get much worse, or are you planning on letting them starve?

come again?

Many of these people are already getting welfare asistance. How much worse can it get for them unless we start letting them starve, freeze, etc. ?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Sentinel
They will put this into effect, which will be paying people way over what the work is actually worth.

It could put businesses into bankruptcy, creating a worse economy than we have now.

But you Republicans claim it's the best Economy ever.

Make up your friggin minds, you can't have it both ways.

Read this one again. Maybe you'll get it right!

For some people it's just can't get much worse, or are you planning on letting them starve?

come again?

Many of these people are already getting welfare asistance. How much worse can it get for them unless we start letting them starve, freeze, etc. ?

I believe that's the idea.

 

[HBalzer]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Sentinel
They will put this into effect, which will be paying people way over what the work is actually worth.

It could put businesses into bankruptcy, creating a worse economy than we have now.

But you Republicans claim it's the best Economy ever.

Make up your friggin minds, you can't have it both ways.

Read this one again. Maybe you'll get it right!

So, I take it you're for alleviating the burden on businesses and going to a universal healthcare system.

Have you people lost all reason? Sentinel wrote "They will put this into effect" most likely referring to the Democrats. He then said ?It could put businesses into bankruptcy, creating a worse economy than we have now.? All this means is that by doing so things could get worse.

And the response is ?But you Republicans claim it's the best Economy ever.

Make up your friggin minds, you can't have it both ways? what the hell is that?

So I say read it again

Then you say ?So, I take it you're for alleviating the burden on businesses and going to a universal healthcare system.?

How did read it again lead you to that response?

Sigh. Your OP once again...

Companies are outsourcing because of unions driving up the cost of American workers so the plan is to have more unions. Yea, that well make American companies want to use American workers. Look what the unions have done to the American auto industry, it?s crazy.

What's one of the biggest expenses for auto companies? Healthcare.

So why didn't you just quote my OP?

What's one of the biggest expenses for auto companies? Healthcare.

This is true and I?m not saying take away Healthcare but the unions have to except that Healthcare costs are rising and they will have to pay a higher percentage. They also have to except that pension plans are generally a thing of the past. You can?t blame or punish businesses for doing smart business or America won?t just loose some jobs to outsourcing it will loose whole companies.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

How could any supposed "American" be opposed of American Workers? Why would one be for outsourced workers when the average American's paycheck is dropping like a rock? Is it true that there are such people who hate their own country so much that they have to blame unions for something they already wanted to happen in the first place?

 

[HBalzer]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Sentinel
They will put this into effect, which will be paying people way over what the work is actually worth.

It could put businesses into bankruptcy, creating a worse economy than we have now.

But you Republicans claim it's the best Economy ever.

Make up your friggin minds, you can't have it both ways.

Read this one again. Maybe you'll get it right!

For some people it's just can't get much worse, or are you planning on letting them starve?

come again?

Many of these people are already getting welfare asistance. How much worse can it get for them unless we start letting them starve, freeze, etc. ?

If you are able to work and are on welfare you want to be on welfare. I'm sorry but you have to understand this is not a perfect society where everyone wants to work. Also, I find it hard to believe someone with a little motivation can?t get a job to pay them more than minimum wage.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

Originally posted by: HBalzer


If you are able to work and are on welfare you want to be on welfare. I'm sorry but you have to understand this is not a perfect society where everyone wants to work. Also, I find it hard to believe someone with a little motivation can?t get a job to pay them more than minimum wage.

Reality check:
It's very hard to find any job nowadays. Even myself, in which I'm proud to say has Computer Programming Experience, Computer Engineering Experience, Computer Networking experience with some college background, is having a hard time finding a job PERIOD! I can't even work at a simple job because I'm "over qualified". I can't work at a tech job because I don't have a bachleors or masters degree. I have equivlent experience, but with college tuition going up and up and jobs becoming more scarce to even pay for that tuition, it gets hard! What makes it funny is that I HAVE the experience!

Now, a person who doesn't have experience has even less of a chance than me! How can a person like you possibly know this? It's probably because you're already well-to-do and is looking from the outside, in.

 

[HBalzer]

Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
How could any supposed "American" be opposed of American Workers? Why would one be for outsourced workers when the average American's paycheck is dropping like a rock? Is it true that there are such people who hate their own country so much that they have to blame unions for something they already wanted to happen in the first place?

First off your comment is so absurd I shouldn?t even respond to it.

I put myself through college working in a factory, I was poor I had a family with little to eat. I worked hard to advance myself while others slacked off and told me don?t work too hard you?ll take away all our work. It?s those people that hate America. People that think America owes them a job instead of them working for one. You want to punish the people that have advanced themselves and reward the people that want to do just enough to get a paycheck.

 

[Aisengard]

Unions can sometimes really really suck. Take the metro strike in NYC for an example of Unions gone crazy.

However, Unions can be and are very good for protecting the American worker. Unions are a big part the reason why our job market isn't like China's. All you anti-unioners cry out for capitalism and the destruction of socialism, but when you let corporations run amok, they create their own socialist society. Take a good, hard look at Walmart for example. They make huge profits, reason? They pay their workers next to nothing, and don't have those fancy programs like healthcare or, you know, fair wages.

Unions are bad for company profits, but good for the American people (most of the time).

Hey, everyone, take your pick.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
So you think that unions getting workers a wage that they can live on and not corporate board members making seven figure salaries and getting multi-million dollar severence packages is driving American companies into the ground?

What do you know....I get to quote myself and show evidence that the OP's opinions are just a tad off.

Mellon Financial Corp. said today it will take a $19.3 million pretax charge against first quarter earnings to account for $46.3 million in payments former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Martin G. McGuinn is entitled to under his employment contract.

Let's see, how many union employees could you hire for $46.3 mill?

For the sake of argument, we will say a union employee will make $50k/yr. That means that, for $43.6M you could hire 872 unionized employees for one year or add 100 jobs to the community to spark economic growth as a whole for 8.72 years.

Yeah....those damned unions are really raping American companies and forcing them to outsource their jobs as a result of it, eh.