Dems introduce HR Bill 5717 severely attacking 2nd Amendment rights

[UberNeuman]

Remember when Obama and the Democrats came and took all the guns.

The same moron mouth breathers clamoring about then and still doing it now. lol.

 

[TheVrolok]

My point still stands. Gun shops are essential business and can remain open during this pandemic time. So now the gun grabbers can't try to shut them down anymore just because being butt hurt about guns.

Note how guns are selling like hot cakes, even in blue states such as CA, not just in "deplorables" red states.

LOL indeed.

No, gun nutters aren't emotional about their firearms at all....

 

[nickqt]

Remember when Obama and the Democrats came and took all the guns.

The same moron mouth breathers clamoring about then and still doing it now. lol.

They clutch their pearls and scream hysterically about something that only exists in their fever dreams.

Typical Modern US Conservatives. Perpetual victims of their own minds.

 

[JEDIYoda]

That's why the new clarification now. So states and municipals can't force gun shops to shut down. NRA is threatening to sue too. From my link -

"The vast majority of states are allowing gun shops to remain open. However, some states that have been the hardest hit by the coronavirus have ruled that gun shops are not essential and should close. In the absence of a mandate from federal authorities, gun groups have been filing lawsuits challenging state and local authorities who are ordering gun shops and ranges to close.

I understans what you are saying .... but don`t put it past the states to close gun stores anyways!! Before you say they can`t -- oh YES!! They can!!

 

[Paladin3]

Ironically, that quote by Franklin is one where he is arguing for the legislature to have the power to tax people to pay state militias for collective defense.

Ben Franklin's Famous 'Liberty, Safety' Quote Lost Its Context In 21st Century

He once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." That quote often comes up in the context of new technology.

www.npr.org

While it’s not really about the gun debate if you had to apply it it’s probably closer to the meaning of the second amendment those ‘gun grabbers’ apply.

Lol.

Ol' Ben wanted the power to tax so he could pay militias, which requires that citizens' right to keep and bare arms not be infringed. Now which side does that quote mostly apply to?

It sounds to me like you guys are laboring under the misconception that gun owners want to overthrow the government, or harbors a secret desire to gun someone down, or how we're just trying to compensate. It's kind of like saying if you own a fire extinguisher it's because you want your home to burn down or you have fantasies of being a fire fighter. It's silly and makes you sound juvenile as fuck.

 

[Svnla]

I understans what you are saying .... but don`t put it past the states to close gun stores anyways!! Before you say they can`t -- oh YES!! They can!!

Sure, some states/municipals leaderships would do anything against guns based on their own personal agenda. What I am saying is gun shops are "essential businesses" now so no more ambiguity of whether they are or not. That's my main point.

NRA is threatening to sue and now its case is a lot stronger because the gun business is on the list. No more "coulda", "woulda", "shoulda".

 

[Fenixgoon]

Sure, some states/municipals leaderships would do anything against guns based on their own personal agenda. What I am saying is gun shops are "essential businesses" now so no more ambiguity of whether they are or not. That's my main point.

NRA is threatening to sue and now its case is a lot stronger because the gun business is on the list. No more "coulda", "woulda", "shoulda".

Can you explain how they are life sustaining?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Sure, some states/municipals leaderships would do anything against guns based on their own personal agenda. What I am saying is gun shops are "essential businesses" now so no more ambiguity of whether they are or not. That's my main point.

NRA is threatening to sue and now its case is a lot stronger because the gun business is on the list. No more "coulda", "woulda", "shoulda".

I am sorry that you are mirepresenting what a gun shop actually is.....
Does it sell food ?
Does it sell water?
Does it sell large quantities of TP?
Does it sell prescription medicines?
If you hurt yourself can you go to a gun store for treatment?
Can a eat or drink a gun for nutrition?
No Gun Stores are only essential for gun nutters who are under the delusion that their gun will stop the apocalyptical Zombies who will come steal their food and water...

 

[Svnla]

I am sorry that you are mirepresenting what a gun shop actually is.....
Does it sell food ?
Does it sell water?
Does it sell large quantities of TP?
Does it sell prescription medicines?
If you hurt yourself can you go to a gun store for treatment?
Can a eat or drink a gun for nutrition?
No Gun Stores are only essential for gun nutters who are under the delusion that their gun will stop the apocalyptical Zombies who will come steal their food and water...

Feel free to bring your list of concerns to the Fed. Good luck. The last statement in your paragraph is YOURS and yours alone. I didn't misrepresenting anything. Don't put your own words as mine. You were saying something about "misrepresenting"? Typical of gun grabbers.

"Gun retailers in New Jersey can now open as an essential business during the coronavirus outbreak, Gov. Phil Murphy announced Monday in a reversal of his previous position on this issue. "

Gun shops are now considered essential businesses in N.J., Gov. Murphy says

This comes after weeks of Gov. Phil Murphy standing firm on his decision to close gun dealers in New Jersey.

www.nj.com

Better give your list to Gov. Murphy pronto. I am sure he would change his position back again because how much he cares about your concerns. LOL.

 

[Svnla]

Can you explain how they are life sustaining?

How about safety and security? Read more here - https://www.cisa.gov/publication/guidance-essential-critical-infrastructure-workforce

 

[Fenixgoon]

How about safety and security? Read more here - https://www.cisa.gov/publication/guidance-essential-critical-infrastructure-workforce

Fair enough. Thanks for the link 👍

 

[JEDIYoda]

Feel free to bring your list of concerns to the Fed. Good luck. The last statement in your paragraph is YOURS and yours alone. I didn't misrepresenting anything. Don't put your own words as mine. You were saying something about "misrepresenting"? Typical of gun grabbers.

"Gun retailers in New Jersey can now open as an essential business during the coronavirus outbreak, Gov. Phil Murphy announced Monday in a reversal of his previous position on this issue. "

Gun shops are now considered essential businesses in N.J., Gov. Murphy says

This comes after weeks of Gov. Phil Murphy standing firm on his decision to close gun dealers in New Jersey.

www.nj.com

Better give your list to Gov. Murphy pronto. I am sure he would change his position back again because how much he cares about your concerns. LOL.

Guns aren’t necessary to survive the outbreak
“Unless you plan on shooting those little coronaviruses one by one, no, gun shops are not providing an essential service during a pandemic. They are profiting from the marketing of fear — get armed now before the desperate hordes invade your neighborhood in search of toilet paper!” — Scott Martelle, Los Angeles Times

The Constitution doesn’t prevent gun stores being closed as part of a larger shutdown
“The Second Amendment limits a state’s ability to impose special restrictions that apply only to gun dealers, but gun shops still must pay taxes, obey zoning regulations, and so forth. For this reason, if the governor of a state issues a broad order closing a state’s nonessential businesses, and that order does not single out gun shops for inferior treatment, gun stores typically should be bound by that order.” — Ian Millhiser, Vox

 

[Svnla]

Guns aren’t necessary to survive the outbreak
“Unless you plan on shooting those little coronaviruses one by one, no, gun shops are not providing an essential service during a pandemic. They are profiting from the marketing of fear — get armed now before the desperate hordes invade your neighborhood in search of toilet paper!” — Scott Martelle, Los Angeles Times

The Constitution doesn’t prevent gun stores being closed as part of a larger shutdown
“The Second Amendment limits a state’s ability to impose special restrictions that apply only to gun dealers, but gun shops still must pay taxes, obey zoning regulations, and so forth. For this reason, if the governor of a state issues a broad order closing a state’s nonessential businesses, and that order does not single out gun shops for inferior treatment, gun stores typically should be bound by that order.” — Ian Millhiser, Vox

As I said, you and the gun grabbers are free to contact Trump administration and Gov. Murphy.and other Governors/Mayors across the country to demand them shut down those gun stores pronto. Show them who's boss. Until you have to vote to change 2A, good luck. 2A is still the law of the land and gun shops are essential businesses. LOL. Those are not my personal belief but facts so don't get butt hurting. Goodness, stop whining and crying and putting your own words as mine. Weak sauce.

 

[JEDIYoda]

How about safety and security? Read more here - https://www.cisa.gov/publication/guidance-essential-critical-infrastructure-workforce

That is a crock of Bullshit!! Safety and security?? hahahahaha You do realize that you and your single weapon against a mob of a family that truly wants or needs or is hungry will get what they want over your dead body!!
You play the guns and security card all you want -- that is just another Gun nutter/NRA talking point!!
You cn have all the guns in thr workd and all the ammo in the world but none of that will feed your children or purchase tp or medicine!! Guns are NOT essential!!

 

[ivwshane]

I like how moron gun nutters claim gun grabbers are trying to take their guns while at the same time bragging about record gun sales.

 

[JEDIYoda]

As I said, you and the gun grabbers are free to contact Trump administration and Gov. Murphy.and other Governors/Mayors across the country to demand them shut down those gun stores pronto. Show them who's boss. Until you have to vote to change 2A, good luck. 2A is still the law of the land and gun shops are essential businesses. LOL. Those are not my personal belief but facts so don't get butt hurting. Goodness, stop whining and crying and putting your own words as mine. Weak sauce.

I wqill bet yuo dollar for donuts that State Right will supersede the federal rights in this case!
Why? Because just Gun Shops are not being deemed non essential!1 They are not being singled out!!

 

[Svnla]

I wqill bet yuo dollar for donuts that State Right will supersede the federal rights in this case!
Why? Because just Gun Shops are not being deemed non essential!1 They are not being singled out!!

Well, I am not pretend to be a scholar or lawyer on the Constitution so I won't engage in that matter. As of right now, gun shops are essential businesses. It is what it is. Feel free to shut them down. Gov. Murphy changed his mind and won't shut them down.

 

[Svnla]

That is a crock of Bullshit!! Safety and security?? hahahahaha You do realize that you and your single weapon against a mob of a family that truly wants or needs or is hungry will get what they want over your dead body!!
You play the guns and security card all you want -- that is just another Gun nutter/NRA talking point!!
You cn have all the guns in thr workd and all the ammo in the world but none of that will feed your children or purchase tp or medicine!! Guns are NOT essential!!

Did you read the link? Did I create that document? I posted the link to support my point about gun shops being essential businesses. Those are not my opinion but facts.

Psssss..... Ask the armed Korean shopkeepers how they were able to keep their stores from being loot and burn to the ground and how other unarmed shopkeepers were unable to do the same thing during the LA/Rodney King riot. What were the tools for those Korean shoppers used? Uh huh. LOL.

Pssss 2....Same question for those shopkeepers at Ferguson/M. Brown riot. LOL x 100.

Darm foolish gun nutters, eh? How dare them? LOL x 100000000000000.

One more thing. Let see. One AR 15 with a few 30 rounds magazines. Let say one AR15 plus a back pack of 30 rounds magazines ..about 10 magazines? So one AR15 plus 300 rounds of ammo. I think i do like my chance with those rioters and looters.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Ironically, that quote by Franklin is one where he is arguing for the legislature to have the power to tax people to pay state militias for collective defense.

Ben Franklin's Famous 'Liberty, Safety' Quote Lost Its Context In 21st Century

He once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." That quote often comes up in the context of new technology.

www.npr.org

While it’s not really about the gun debate if you had to apply it it’s probably closer to the meaning of the second amendment those ‘gun grabbers’ apply.

Lol.

What, right wingers spouting a slogan while being obtuse to its original intent? You know what they say about bad apples, they're bad and that's all there is.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Well, I am not pretend to be a scholar or lawyer on the Constitution so I won't engage in that matter. As of right now, gun shops are essential businesses. It is what it is. Feel free to shut them down.

No but you are a Gun Nutter........so go figure! other than your claim of providing security and safety you cannot give any other example of what makes gun stores essential?
Does a gun store provide a place to purchase food ?
How about water or TP?
Does it sell prescription medicines?
If you hurt yourself can you go to a gun store for treatment?
Can a eat or drink a gun for nutrition?

It is funny that ONLY you and Paladin3 are all butt hurt over this......

 

[Svnla]

No but you are a Gun Nutter........so go figure! other than your claim of providing security and safety you cannot give any other example of what makes gun stores essential?
Does a gun store provide a place to purchase food ?
How about water or TP?
Does it sell prescription medicines?
If you hurt yourself can you go to a gun store for treatment?
Can a eat or drink a gun for nutrition?

It is funny that ONLY you and Paladin3 are all butt hurt over this......

Obviously you did NOT read the link I posted for Felixgoon. If you read it, you would not make that statement that I claimed "security and safety". Those were not my words but in the document/link. Tst...tst....tst....Nice try to troll. Next.

One more thing. I and others believe ALL parts of the Constitution are equal. No one can pick and chose which part to like and which not. Just like no one can pick and choose the rule and law he/she likes and not likes/follows

So believe in 1A, freedom of religious = nut crazy religious and ready to blow up to kill, right? LOL.

 

[Paladin3]

People of all political persuasions are buying up guns at a record rate right now. When it looks like the poop could hit the fan, folks want the best means of self-defense they can get and that is a gun. Naive dreams of a gun free America go out the window at that point.

I guarantee you that everyone single anti-gun poster in this thread would want to be armed if it ever came down to them having to protect themselves or their family's lives.

 

[TheVrolok]

People of all political persuasions are buying up guns at a record rate right now. When it looks like the poop could hit the fan, folks want the best means of self-defense they can get and that is a gun. Naive dreams of a gun free America go out the window at that point.

I guarantee you that everyone single anti-gun poster in this thread would want to be armed if it ever came down to them having to protect themselves or their family's lives.

Wanna put money on whether all these new gun sales make people safer or less so? Only time will tell, of course, but I would put money on seeing increases in gun violence and suicide as a result rather than any defense in post coronavirus apocalyptic America fever dream. At least, that's the logical conclusion based on currently available data unless you want to get all emotional about it.

 

[TheVrolok]

Obviously you did NOT read the link I posted for Felixgoon. If you read it, you would not make that statement that I claimed "security and safety". Those were not my words but in the document/link. Tst...tst....tst....Nice try to troll. Next.

One more thing. I and others believe ALL parts of the Constitution are equal. No one can pick and chose which part to like and which not. Just like no one can pick and choose the rule and law he/she likes and not likes/follows

So believe in 1A, freedom of religious = nut crazy religious and ready to blow up to kill, right? LOL.

Do you realize that your interpretation of the second is a rather new interpretation and only made in 2008?

 

[JEDIYoda]

People of all political persuasions are buying up guns at a record rate right now. When it looks like the poop could hit the fan, folks want the best means of self-defense they can get and that is a gun. Naive dreams of a gun free America go out the window at that point.

I guarantee you that everyone single anti-gun poster in this thread would want to be armed if it ever came down to them having to protect themselves or their family's lives.

Obviously you did NOT read the link I posted for Felixgoon. If you read it, you would not make that statement that I claimed "security and safety". Those were not my words but in the document/link. Tst...tst....tst....Nice try to troll. Next.

One more thing. I and others believe ALL parts of the Constitution are equal. No one can pick and chose which part to like and which not. Just like no one can pick and choose the rule and law he/she likes and not likes/follows

So believe in 1A, freedom of religious = nut crazy religious and ready to blow up to kill, right? LOL.

I get it now!! You want to be able to say witrh pride someday that you had a gun or guns and you used them to kill somebody who was hungry who was breaking in to your house or car to steal food that you had hoarded or TP to wipe their kids bottom with and because you had a gun, you with glee loaded that gun and shot them before offering perhaps to feed them....
That self defense line of crap is just that! Somebody who is hungry is not going to harm your sisy ass to steal food from you hoarders......
Then you make the claim that having a gun deters others....well I am sorry but that really is not true.
People like you all brag and tell your friends and if somebody was going to plan to hurt you they would do it when you had no access to your gun ......
You gun nutters are all a like, the reality is you really want to use your gun to kill another human.......but until you have to shoot at somebody you never really know if you have the stomach to shoot! Going out to the range and simulating shooting somebody is not near the same!
Have fun explaining to your kids why you shot somebody who was tired, poor and desperately hungry....
I know thi will fall on deaf ears or some bullshit excuse why I am wrong! Carry on Comrades!