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Dems introduce bill aiming to create committee to investigate abuse

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Democrats are moving aggressively to push for a congressional investigation into prisoner abuse abroad, RAW STORY has learned.
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In a release Friday, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA), ranking member on the House Committee for Government Reform, introduced legislation to create a committee to investigate prisoner abuse.

The move appears to have broad backing from all sides of the Democratic House caucus, including the Democrats' liberal and moderate leaders in the House, Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-MD).

The move to introduce legislation to create a select committee on abuse comes in the wake of a federal judge's ruling Friday that Americans must be allowed to see Abu Ghraib photographs.

As the minority party in the House, Democrats would need to woo a number of Republicans to support the measure to create the committee.

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Democrats to Introduce Legislation to Create Select Committee to Investigate Prisoner Abuse


WASHINGTON, D.C. - Today Rep. Henry A. Waxman, along with Democratic Leader Pelosi, Armed Services Ranking Member Skelton, and other senior congressional leaders, announced plans to introduce legislation to create a House select committee to investigate the abuses of detainees held in U.S. custody in connection with the war in Iraq and the global war on terrorism. The resolution would charge a bipartisan group of 14 Members with thoroughly investigating evidence of detainee abuse and torture in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo Bay.

"We first introduced this resolution a year ago after the Republican majority refused repeated requests to investigate the accounts of prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib," said Rep. Waxman. "Since then, the scope of the problem has exploded. Nearly every week brings new reports of horrific abuse of individuals in U.S. custody. Yet still there has been no serious congressional investigation. The failure of Congress to conduct responsible oversight, which is our constitutional duty, is shameful."

In just the past week, new evidence emerged of the desecration of the Koran at Guantanamo Bay, the involvement of Navy Seals in beating detainees in Iraq, and the gruesome, ultimately fatal torture of Afghans at the U.S. detention center in Bagram, Afghanistan.

The select committee would conduct a full review of the alleged abuses of detainees, investigate who is responsible, and assess whether legislative or executive action should result.


Current sponsors of the legislation:

Rep. Henry A. Waxman, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Government Reform
Rep. Nancy Pelosi, Democratic Leader
Rep. Steny H. Hoyer, Democratic Whip
Rep. Robert Menendez, Chairman of the House Democratic Caucus
Rep. James E. Clyburn, Vice Chairman of House Democratic Caucus
Rep. John M. Spratt, Jr., Assistant to the Democratic Leader
Rep. Ike Skelton, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Armed Services
Rep. Jane Harman, Ranking Minority Member, Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
Rep. Tom Lantos, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on International Relations
Rep. John Conyers, Jr., Ranking Minority Member, Committee on the Judiciary
Rep. John D. Dingell, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Energy and Commerce
Rep. David R. Obey, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Appropriations
Rep. Charles B. Rangel, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Ways and Means
Rep. George Miller, Ranking Minority Member, Committee Education and the Workforce
Rep. Maurice D. Hinchey, Committee on Appropriations

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Now, will this administration do the right thing and start holding people accountable, even if it means themselves?

It's time to fix the wrongs and punish *everyone* involved if this torture and abuse is ever going to stop.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/democrats_bill_committee_prisoner_abuse_527
Democrats are moving aggressively to push for a congressional investigation into prisoner abuse abroad, RAW STORY has learned.
Advertisement
In a release Friday, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA), ranking member on the House Committee for Government Reform, introduced legislation to create a committee to investigate prisoner abuse.

The move appears to have broad backing from all sides of the Democratic House caucus, including the Democrats' liberal and moderate leaders in the House, Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-MD).

The move to introduce legislation to create a select committee on abuse comes in the wake of a federal judge's ruling Friday that Americans must be allowed to see Abu Ghraib photographs.

As the minority party in the House, Democrats would need to woo a number of Republicans to support the measure to create the committee.

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Democrats to Introduce Legislation to Create Select Committee to Investigate Prisoner Abuse


WASHINGTON, D.C. - Today Rep. Henry A. Waxman, along with Democratic Leader Pelosi, Armed Services Ranking Member Skelton, and other senior congressional leaders, announced plans to introduce legislation to create a House select committee to investigate the abuses of detainees held in U.S. custody in connection with the war in Iraq and the global war on terrorism. The resolution would charge a bipartisan group of 14 Members with thoroughly investigating evidence of detainee abuse and torture in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo Bay.

"We first introduced this resolution a year ago after the Republican majority refused repeated requests to investigate the accounts of prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib," said Rep. Waxman. "Since then, the scope of the problem has exploded. Nearly every week brings new reports of horrific abuse of individuals in U.S. custody. Yet still there has been no serious congressional investigation. The failure of Congress to conduct responsible oversight, which is our constitutional duty, is shameful."

In just the past week, new evidence emerged of the desecration of the Koran at Guantanamo Bay, the involvement of Navy Seals in beating detainees in Iraq, and the gruesome, ultimately fatal torture of Afghans at the U.S. detention center in Bagram, Afghanistan.

The select committee would conduct a full review of the alleged abuses of detainees, investigate who is responsible, and assess whether legislative or executive action should result.


Current sponsors of the legislation:

Rep. Henry A. Waxman, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Government Reform
Rep. Nancy Pelosi, Democratic Leader
Rep. Steny H. Hoyer, Democratic Whip
Rep. Robert Menendez, Chairman of the House Democratic Caucus
Rep. James E. Clyburn, Vice Chairman of House Democratic Caucus
Rep. John M. Spratt, Jr., Assistant to the Democratic Leader
Rep. Ike Skelton, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Armed Services
Rep. Jane Harman, Ranking Minority Member, Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
Rep. Tom Lantos, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on International Relations
Rep. John Conyers, Jr., Ranking Minority Member, Committee on the Judiciary
Rep. John D. Dingell, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Energy and Commerce
Rep. David R. Obey, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Appropriations
Rep. Charles B. Rangel, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Ways and Means
Rep. George Miller, Ranking Minority Member, Committee Education and the Workforce
Rep. Maurice D. Hinchey, Committee on Appropriations

# # # # # # #
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Now, will this administration do the right thing and start holding people accountable, even if it means themselves?

It's time to fix the wrongs and punish *everyone* involved if this torture and abuse is ever going to stop.
Click to expand...

Prisoners have more rights than Christians do in your mind.. Yes, this has all to do with the democrats wanting the truth, and NOTHING to do with politics..

Yawn.. another troll thread.
 
This bill along with Rep. Slaughter's bill that reinstates the Fairness Doctrine needs to put on the floor for that good 'ol fashioned "Up or Down" vote.

Oh wait, "Up or Down" votes are only for Republicans. I forget.

And once the Republicans block both bills (maybe from even reaching the floor), we'll be able to clearly state that the Republican party is the "Party of Torture" and that ignorant BS myth of a liberal media will be destroyed.
 
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: conjur
http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/democrats_bill_committee_prisoner_abuse_527
Democrats are moving aggressively to push for a congressional investigation into prisoner abuse abroad, RAW STORY has learned.
Advertisement
In a release Friday, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA), ranking member on the House Committee for Government Reform, introduced legislation to create a committee to investigate prisoner abuse.

The move appears to have broad backing from all sides of the Democratic House caucus, including the Democrats' liberal and moderate leaders in the House, Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-MD).

The move to introduce legislation to create a select committee on abuse comes in the wake of a federal judge's ruling Friday that Americans must be allowed to see Abu Ghraib photographs.

As the minority party in the House, Democrats would need to woo a number of Republicans to support the measure to create the committee.

###

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Democrats to Introduce Legislation to Create Select Committee to Investigate Prisoner Abuse


WASHINGTON, D.C. - Today Rep. Henry A. Waxman, along with Democratic Leader Pelosi, Armed Services Ranking Member Skelton, and other senior congressional leaders, announced plans to introduce legislation to create a House select committee to investigate the abuses of detainees held in U.S. custody in connection with the war in Iraq and the global war on terrorism. The resolution would charge a bipartisan group of 14 Members with thoroughly investigating evidence of detainee abuse and torture in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo Bay.

"We first introduced this resolution a year ago after the Republican majority refused repeated requests to investigate the accounts of prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib," said Rep. Waxman. "Since then, the scope of the problem has exploded. Nearly every week brings new reports of horrific abuse of individuals in U.S. custody. Yet still there has been no serious congressional investigation. The failure of Congress to conduct responsible oversight, which is our constitutional duty, is shameful."

In just the past week, new evidence emerged of the desecration of the Koran at Guantanamo Bay, the involvement of Navy Seals in beating detainees in Iraq, and the gruesome, ultimately fatal torture of Afghans at the U.S. detention center in Bagram, Afghanistan.

The select committee would conduct a full review of the alleged abuses of detainees, investigate who is responsible, and assess whether legislative or executive action should result.


Current sponsors of the legislation:

Rep. Henry A. Waxman, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Government Reform
Rep. Nancy Pelosi, Democratic Leader
Rep. Steny H. Hoyer, Democratic Whip
Rep. Robert Menendez, Chairman of the House Democratic Caucus
Rep. James E. Clyburn, Vice Chairman of House Democratic Caucus
Rep. John M. Spratt, Jr., Assistant to the Democratic Leader
Rep. Ike Skelton, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Armed Services
Rep. Jane Harman, Ranking Minority Member, Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
Rep. Tom Lantos, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on International Relations
Rep. John Conyers, Jr., Ranking Minority Member, Committee on the Judiciary
Rep. John D. Dingell, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Energy and Commerce
Rep. David R. Obey, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Appropriations
Rep. Charles B. Rangel, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Ways and Means
Rep. George Miller, Ranking Minority Member, Committee Education and the Workforce
Rep. Maurice D. Hinchey, Committee on Appropriations

# # # # # # #
Click to expand...
Now, will this administration do the right thing and start holding people accountable, even if it means themselves?

It's time to fix the wrongs and punish *everyone* involved if this torture and abuse is ever going to stop.
Click to expand...

Prisoners have more rights than Christians do in your mind.. Yes, this has all to do with the democrats wanting the truth, and NOTHING to do with politics..

Yawn.. another troll thread.
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So, why do you condone torture if you're so "Christian"? Why do you hate America? Why do you hate our freedoms?
 
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: conjur
http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/democrats_bill_committee_prisoner_abuse_527
Democrats are moving aggressively to push for a congressional investigation into prisoner abuse abroad, RAW STORY has learned.
Advertisement
In a release Friday, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA), ranking member on the House Committee for Government Reform, introduced legislation to create a committee to investigate prisoner abuse.

The move appears to have broad backing from all sides of the Democratic House caucus, including the Democrats' liberal and moderate leaders in the House, Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-MD).

The move to introduce legislation to create a select committee on abuse comes in the wake of a federal judge's ruling Friday that Americans must be allowed to see Abu Ghraib photographs.

As the minority party in the House, Democrats would need to woo a number of Republicans to support the measure to create the committee.

###

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Democrats to Introduce Legislation to Create Select Committee to Investigate Prisoner Abuse


WASHINGTON, D.C. - Today Rep. Henry A. Waxman, along with Democratic Leader Pelosi, Armed Services Ranking Member Skelton, and other senior congressional leaders, announced plans to introduce legislation to create a House select committee to investigate the abuses of detainees held in U.S. custody in connection with the war in Iraq and the global war on terrorism. The resolution would charge a bipartisan group of 14 Members with thoroughly investigating evidence of detainee abuse and torture in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo Bay.

"We first introduced this resolution a year ago after the Republican majority refused repeated requests to investigate the accounts of prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib," said Rep. Waxman. "Since then, the scope of the problem has exploded. Nearly every week brings new reports of horrific abuse of individuals in U.S. custody. Yet still there has been no serious congressional investigation. The failure of Congress to conduct responsible oversight, which is our constitutional duty, is shameful."

In just the past week, new evidence emerged of the desecration of the Koran at Guantanamo Bay, the involvement of Navy Seals in beating detainees in Iraq, and the gruesome, ultimately fatal torture of Afghans at the U.S. detention center in Bagram, Afghanistan.

The select committee would conduct a full review of the alleged abuses of detainees, investigate who is responsible, and assess whether legislative or executive action should result.


Current sponsors of the legislation:

Rep. Henry A. Waxman, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Government Reform
Rep. Nancy Pelosi, Democratic Leader
Rep. Steny H. Hoyer, Democratic Whip
Rep. Robert Menendez, Chairman of the House Democratic Caucus
Rep. James E. Clyburn, Vice Chairman of House Democratic Caucus
Rep. John M. Spratt, Jr., Assistant to the Democratic Leader
Rep. Ike Skelton, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Armed Services
Rep. Jane Harman, Ranking Minority Member, Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
Rep. Tom Lantos, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on International Relations
Rep. John Conyers, Jr., Ranking Minority Member, Committee on the Judiciary
Rep. John D. Dingell, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Energy and Commerce
Rep. David R. Obey, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Appropriations
Rep. Charles B. Rangel, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Ways and Means
Rep. George Miller, Ranking Minority Member, Committee Education and the Workforce
Rep. Maurice D. Hinchey, Committee on Appropriations

# # # # # # #
Click to expand...
Now, will this administration do the right thing and start holding people accountable, even if it means themselves?

It's time to fix the wrongs and punish *everyone* involved if this torture and abuse is ever going to stop.
Click to expand...

Prisoners have more rights than Christians do in your mind.. Yes, this has all to do with the democrats wanting the truth, and NOTHING to do with politics..

Yawn.. another troll thread.
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Any objective person looking at this thread would come to the conclusion that Conjur posted a news article and then added a relevent opinion. What you did was troll.
 
And yet he's not banned.


Come on, Crimson. Got any original thoughts in that bitter mind of yours re: this topic or are you going to YET AGAIN troll and thread-crap?
 
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: conjur
http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/democrats_bill_committee_prisoner_abuse_527
Democrats are moving aggressively to push for a congressional investigation into prisoner abuse abroad, RAW STORY has learned.
Advertisement
In a release Friday, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA), ranking member on the House Committee for Government Reform, introduced legislation to create a committee to investigate prisoner abuse.

The move appears to have broad backing from all sides of the Democratic House caucus, including the Democrats' liberal and moderate leaders in the House, Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-MD).

The move to introduce legislation to create a select committee on abuse comes in the wake of a federal judge's ruling Friday that Americans must be allowed to see Abu Ghraib photographs.

As the minority party in the House, Democrats would need to woo a number of Republicans to support the measure to create the committee.

###

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Democrats to Introduce Legislation to Create Select Committee to Investigate Prisoner Abuse


WASHINGTON, D.C. - Today Rep. Henry A. Waxman, along with Democratic Leader Pelosi, Armed Services Ranking Member Skelton, and other senior congressional leaders, announced plans to introduce legislation to create a House select committee to investigate the abuses of detainees held in U.S. custody in connection with the war in Iraq and the global war on terrorism. The resolution would charge a bipartisan group of 14 Members with thoroughly investigating evidence of detainee abuse and torture in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo Bay.

"We first introduced this resolution a year ago after the Republican majority refused repeated requests to investigate the accounts of prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib," said Rep. Waxman. "Since then, the scope of the problem has exploded. Nearly every week brings new reports of horrific abuse of individuals in U.S. custody. Yet still there has been no serious congressional investigation. The failure of Congress to conduct responsible oversight, which is our constitutional duty, is shameful."

In just the past week, new evidence emerged of the desecration of the Koran at Guantanamo Bay, the involvement of Navy Seals in beating detainees in Iraq, and the gruesome, ultimately fatal torture of Afghans at the U.S. detention center in Bagram, Afghanistan.

The select committee would conduct a full review of the alleged abuses of detainees, investigate who is responsible, and assess whether legislative or executive action should result.


Current sponsors of the legislation:

Rep. Henry A. Waxman, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Government Reform
Rep. Nancy Pelosi, Democratic Leader
Rep. Steny H. Hoyer, Democratic Whip
Rep. Robert Menendez, Chairman of the House Democratic Caucus
Rep. James E. Clyburn, Vice Chairman of House Democratic Caucus
Rep. John M. Spratt, Jr., Assistant to the Democratic Leader
Rep. Ike Skelton, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Armed Services
Rep. Jane Harman, Ranking Minority Member, Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
Rep. Tom Lantos, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on International Relations
Rep. John Conyers, Jr., Ranking Minority Member, Committee on the Judiciary
Rep. John D. Dingell, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Energy and Commerce
Rep. David R. Obey, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Appropriations
Rep. Charles B. Rangel, Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Ways and Means
Rep. George Miller, Ranking Minority Member, Committee Education and the Workforce
Rep. Maurice D. Hinchey, Committee on Appropriations

# # # # # # #
Click to expand...
Now, will this administration do the right thing and start holding people accountable, even if it means themselves?

It's time to fix the wrongs and punish *everyone* involved if this torture and abuse is ever going to stop.
Click to expand...

Prisoners have more rights than Christians do in your mind.. Yes, this has all to do with the democrats wanting the truth, and NOTHING to do with politics..

Yawn.. another troll thread.
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Hahaha! Truth has NOTHING to do with politics! Yes! Crimson tell it like it is! Politics is just a game about lying!
 
Originally posted by: conjur
And yet he's not banned.


Come on, Crimson. Got any original thoughts in that bitter mind of yours re: this topic or are you going to YET AGAIN troll and thread-crap?
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Once you post a thread that actually includes some original thoughts, I'll add some of mine.. since you are just posting different articles with the same 'Bush lied, I hate Bush.." response as your "original thought", I'll refrain from adding any original thoughts as it wouldn't be in the spirit of the thread.
 
Do you agree or disagree that *everyone* involved in condoning and sponsoring torture and abuse should be held accountable?
 
Originally posted by: Crimson
Prisoners have more rights than Christians do in your mind.. Yes, this has all to do with the democrats wanting the truth, and NOTHING to do with politics..

Yawn.. another troll thread.
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Conjur did not introduce the bill, member of congress did. AFAIK Conjur just posted a news item with his comments which did not contain any reference to either Christians or Bush.

Now who's trolling?


 
Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: Crimson
Prisoners have more rights than Christians do in your mind.. Yes, this has all to do with the democrats wanting the truth, and NOTHING to do with politics..

Yawn.. another troll thread.
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Conjur did not introduce the bill, member of congress did. AFAIK Conjur just posted a news item with his comments which did not contain any reference to either Christians or Bush.

Now who's trolling?
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Yup. :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Do you agree or disagree that *everyone* involved in condoning and sponsoring torture and abuse should be held accountable?
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The question is, DO YOU? Does you include the Iraqi insurgents who capture and torture our troops, civilians, and well as their own civilians and troops from other countries? Or do you only want people you disagree with punished for doing it?
 
Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: Crimson
Prisoners have more rights than Christians do in your mind.. Yes, this has all to do with the democrats wanting the truth, and NOTHING to do with politics..

Yawn.. another troll thread.
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Conjur did not introduce the bill, member of congress did. AFAIK Conjur just posted a news item with his comments which did not contain any reference to either Christians or Bush.

Now who's trolling?
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No, he posted another thread, like dozens of others he has started, that simply include no original thought other than 'I hate the Administration'.. So, I stand by giving Conjur the :cookie:
 
Lots of talk and nothing else.

btw arent people being sent to jail for their abusive behavior? I seem to remember the guards at Abu Ghrahib pleading guilty or being convicted for their actions.

All this will turn into is a political hack job. Too bad for the democrats they just dont get it.

 
It is up to the iraqi courts to prosecute anyone who hurts americans, or if we find them first they they are due justice as per military law, BUT our own abuses are just as valid to be investigated and should be, justice is blind, or rather should be. Who gives a sh1t who is doing it. This is not schollyard bully justice and this is not some backward african nation.

Everyone gets there dues if they do the crime.

And as a american it is our responsibility to make sure OUR table is in order for their to be law and order.

I know backroom double standards are the par for the course with you people but it is not the american way.

And you expect anyone to believe you when you cry that we are there to uphold

democracy when you promote a double standard. this is why noone trusts a word you people say.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Lots of talk and nothing else.

btw arent people being sent to jail for their abusive behavior? I seem to remember the guards at Abu Ghrahib pleading guilty or being convicted for their actions.

All this will turn into is a political hack job. Too bad for the democrats they just dont get it.
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Just a few bad apples, right? Nevermind the emails that have been uncovered showing it going higher up into the Pentagon and the FBI. Nevermind Gonzales' "Torture Memo". Nevermind Ashcroft hiring the four worst possible candidates to setup Abu Ghraib.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
Lots of talk and nothing else.

btw arent people being sent to jail for their abusive behavior? I seem to remember the guards at Abu Ghrahib pleading guilty or being convicted for their actions.

All this will turn into is a political hack job. Too bad for the democrats they just dont get it.
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Just a few bad apples, right? Nevermind the emails that have been uncovered showing it going higher up into the Pentagon and the FBI. Nevermind Gonzales' "Torture Memo". Nevermind Ashcroft hiring the four worst possible candidates to setup Abu Ghraib.
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We keep hearing about all of this higher ups yet the last time the senate visited this issue there wasnt much evidence to prove it. It has been over a year now and yet nobody can seem to find the golden egg that will prove their pre-determined opinions.

There is always a secret email trail or secret super duper anon sources that are leaking information yet nothing that can pin the tail on the donkey.

Keep at it and maybe in 48 years you will uncover the hail grail of evidence concerning this. Either that or you will finally realize that everything isnt a giant conspiracy.


 
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: Crimson
Prisoners have more rights than Christians do in your mind.. Yes, this has all to do with the democrats wanting the truth, and NOTHING to do with politics..

Yawn.. another troll thread.
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Conjur did not introduce the bill, member of congress did. AFAIK Conjur just posted a news item with his comments which did not contain any reference to either Christians or Bush.

Now who's trolling?
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No, he posted another thread, like dozens of others he has started, that simply include no original thought other than 'I hate the Administration'.. So, I stand by giving Conjur the :cookie:
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Then perhaps your comments should have been posted in that thread where they would be relevant. Give Conjur as many cookies as you think he deserves there.

This thread started off about abuses by Americans which I find disturbing, as we are supposed to be the champions of democracy and human decency. I have no problem with detaining criminals and warriors, but I do have a problem with treating them inhumanely. I'm glad to see that some in our legislature are disturbed enough to try and investigate these abuses which have given USA a horrible reputation.





 
Originally posted by: GroundedSailor

This thread started off about abuses by Americans which I find disturbing, as we are supposed to be the champions of democracy and human decency. I have no problem with detaining criminals and warriors, but I do have a problem with treating them inhumanely. I'm glad to see that some in our legislature are disturbed enough to try and investigate these abuses which have given USA a horrible reputation.
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:thumbsup:

Caring about your country does not mean to roll over and pretend nothing is wrong.

Some aspects of life take a cold hard look to see what can change, even if it means finding fault in something you care about.
 
Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
This thread started off about abuses by Americans which I find disturbing, as we are supposed to be the champions of democracy and human decency. I have no problem with detaining criminals and warriors, but I do have a problem with treating them inhumanely. I'm glad to see that some in our legislature are disturbed enough to try and investigate these abuses which have given USA a horrible reputation.
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Appears our lovely Secretary of State thinks we don't need an inquiry:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/krwashbureau/20050527/ts_krwashbureau/_bc_rice_wa
SAN FRANCISCO - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice brushed off growing calls for an independent investigation of conditions at the Guantanamo Bay detention center and in an interview labeled as "absurd" a new Amnesty International report equating the facility with Soviet-era gulags.

Asked in an interview with Knight Ridder about an outside probe, Rice responded that it isn't necessary.

"The United States is as open a society as you will find," she said, and the administration is being held accountable "by a free press, by a Congress that is a separate and co-equal branch of government, and by its own expectations of what is right."
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Where's the PUKE smiley when you need it? What a load of BS!! :|

BTW, she probably fell back into BS propaganda mode after having had her speech interrupted by a group re-enacting a scene from Abu Ghraib:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?storyID=8632043&type=worldNews
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Demonstrators interrupted a speech by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Friday by recreating an image of the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal in which a hooded prisoner stood with his arms outstretched attached to electric wires.
Amid tight security at San Francisco's Davies Symphony Hall, three women and one man pulled on black hoods and cloaks and stood on their seats, acting out the scene caught in one of the photographs of abuse that undermined U.S. prestige abroad.

Rice initially continued her speech on American foreign policy under President George W. Bush but paused when the protesters shouted "Stop the torture. Stop the killing. U.S. out of Iraq," as police led them out of the auditorium.
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
This thread started off about abuses by Americans which I find disturbing, as we are supposed to be the champions of democracy and human decency. I have no problem with detaining criminals and warriors, but I do have a problem with treating them inhumanely. I'm glad to see that some in our legislature are disturbed enough to try and investigate these abuses which have given USA a horrible reputation.
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Appears our lovely Secretary of State thinks we don't need an inquiry:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/krwashbureau/20050527/ts_krwashbureau/_bc_rice_wa
SAN FRANCISCO - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice brushed off growing calls for an independent investigation of conditions at the Guantanamo Bay detention center and in an interview labeled as "absurd" a new Amnesty International report equating the facility with Soviet-era gulags.

Asked in an interview with Knight Ridder about an outside probe, Rice responded that it isn't necessary.

"The United States is as open a society as you will find," she said, and the administration is being held accountable "by a free press, by a Congress that is a separate and co-equal branch of government, and by its own expectations of what is right."
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Where's the PUKE smiley when you need it? What a load of BS!! :|

BTW, she probably fell back into BS propaganda mode after having had her speech interrupted by a group re-enacting a scene from Abu Ghraib:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?storyID=8632043&type=worldNews
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Demonstrators interrupted a speech by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Friday by recreating an image of the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal in which a hooded prisoner stood with his arms outstretched attached to electric wires.
Amid tight security at San Francisco's Davies Symphony Hall, three women and one man pulled on black hoods and cloaks and stood on their seats, acting out the scene caught in one of the photographs of abuse that undermined U.S. prestige abroad.

Rice initially continued her speech on American foreign policy under President George W. Bush but paused when the protesters shouted "Stop the torture. Stop the killing. U.S. out of Iraq," as police led them out of the auditorium.
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C'mon Conjur, did you really expect her to go against the party line? Look where it got Colin Powell!

 
No, I never expect Dr. Lies to do anything but toe the party line. She should have stuck to the piano. Fvcking lying b*tch!
 
Amnesty International Calls for arrest of Top US Officials
http://vyan.blogspot.com/
During a statement on the release of it's annual report, Amnesty International President William Schultz called for the investigation, arrest, detention and prosecution of senior U.S. Officials - either by an Special Prosecutor or by foreign government prosecutors - who authored and authorized policies which lead to inhumane treatment and torture of persons held at Guantanemo, Abu Ghraib and Bagram Air Force Base. "The Government investigation must climb all the way to the top...", stated Schultz. Quoting former Secretary of State Colin Powell he went on to point out that permitting Torture by U.S. personnel "undermines the moral authority" and can allow such techniques to "spread like a virus" thruout the world.


Amnesty International then offered a "Hit List" of high level U.S. officials whose actions have directly lead to torture.

Donald Rumsfeld: For approving a Sept 2002 Memorandum that permitted unlawful torture techniques such as stress positions, prolonged isolation, stripping and the use of dogs at Guantanemo Bay.

William Haynes - Department of Defense General Counsel : Who wrote that Memo.

Douglas Fife : Who was listed in the Sept 2002 Memo as concurring with it's conclusions.

Maj General Geoffrey Miller - Commander of Joint Task Force at Guantanemo : Whose subordinates used some of those same torture techniques (as approved by the Haynes Memo), and was then sent to Iraq where he recommended that prison guards - "soften up" detainees for interrogation.

George Tenet - former CIA Director : Whose organization kept "Ghost Detainees" off registration logs and hid them from members of the Red Cross, and whose operatives reportedly used such techniques as water-boarding, suffocation, stress positions and incommunicado detention.

Roberto Gonzales - Attorney General and former White House Council: Who called the Geneva Conventions "quaint and obsolete" in a Jan 2002 memo, and requested the "Bybee Memo" which fueled the atrocities at Abu Ghraib.

Lt General Ricardo Sanchez - former commander of U.S. Forces in Iraq and his deputee: Who failed to ensure proper oversight at Abu Ghraib.

Capt. Carolyn Wood : Who oversaw interrogation operations at Bagram AFB in Afghanistan, which permitted the use of dogs, sensory deprovation and stress positions.

George W. Bush - President : Whose Administration has repeatedly justified it's interrogation policies as legitimate, under the Presidents powers as Commander-in-Chief, and President Bush also signed a Feb 2002 Memo stating that the Geneva Conventions did not apply to al-Qaeda or Taliban detainees, and that their humane treatment should be contigent upon "Military Neccesity" - which clearly set the stage for the tragic use of torture by U.S. forces.
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Video of Amnesty International statement:
rtsp://video.c-span.org/15days/e052505_amnesty.rm


More details on the Amnesty International report:
http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/usa-summary-eng
 
Originally posted by: conjur
No, I never expect Dr. Lies to do anything but toe the party line. She should have stuck to the piano. Fvcking lying b*tch!
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Nothing but tolerance and understanding from the left. Maybe we should just tell Conjur that all the Iraqi's are Black Conservative Religious Women.. he would be all for the war then!
 
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