Dems in California want to borrow 9 Billion to save welfare.

DucatiMonster696

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This is truly the worse idea I've heard as of late which has come out of the dem dominated state legislative body in Sacramento. California is heading for a carptacular economic melt down and dem's want to protect their welfare programs along with their voting base by borrowing 9 billion dollars to spend it on government welfare programs. This is going to be done though at the expense of our state's economic future and credit rating.

In order to make their crazy scheme more palatable they are also lumping school funding into this idea to connect the two to appeal to people not wise enough to see the stupidity of borrowing money when the state already owes about 19 billion. Of course government state unions are all in support of this insane idea because in the end their interests (jobs) lay in supporting the massive build up state nanny government and it's continual runaway spending.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/05/25/BA7S1DKCM6.DTL&type=politics&tsp=1



Assembly Dems: Let's borrow cash to save welfare

Marisa Lagos, Chronicle Sacramento Bureau

Tuesday, May 25, 2010

(05-25) 17:43 PDT Sacramento - --

Assembly Democrats on Tuesday unveiled a plan to fully fund education and save welfare and government jobs in California by borrowing billions of dollars, just one day after Senate Democrats proposed raising nearly $5 billion in taxes to stave off cuts to the same social programs.

The proposal by Assembly Speaker John Pérez, D-Los Angeles, calls on the state to borrow $8.7 billion in bonds to be repaid over 20 years, plus interest, with a new tax on oil companies that would raise roughly $1 billion a year.

Pérez said his proposal would help the state's economic recovery by giving more money to cities, counties and school districts in the year starting July 1, investing $1 billion in job creation measures and avoiding the deep cuts to California's social safety net that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has proposed.

The state is facing a $19 billion budget deficit, and Pérez said Tuesday that putting Californians back to work should be Sacramento's number one priority.

"Job creation is central to solving our central crisis. Our economy will not recover until the 2.3 million Californians who lost their jobs have found new work," Pérez said. "Many of the proposals that have been put forward to close the budget deficit will harm our economy, drastic cuts will result in thousands of jobs lost throughout California ... in police, teachers and firefighters being laid off."

He argued that the Republican governor's plan would cost 430,000 Californians their jobs and state coffers more than $5 billion in lost federal dollars.

Pérez's plan would borrow $8.7 billion from Wall Street against the California Beverage Recycling Fund, which collects deposits on bottles, cans and other recyclable containers and is currently underfunded because of past raids by state officials.

The state would repay the bond with revenue raised from a severance tax on all oil production in the Golden State. The oil tax, Pérez said, is similar to a tax that "every other oil producing state - including Texas and Alaska - impose on oil companies."

The idea of imposing an oil severance tax is not new but has never been successful. This year alone, Democratic lawmakers have floated two separate proposals to adopt the tax as a way to plug the deficit or raise money for public universities.

The oil tax would fluctuate from year to year but likely hover at less than 10 percent, according to the Assembly, and generate $900 million next fiscal year.

Crucial to the plan, Assembly staff members said, is that the oil tax could be passed by a simple majority vote of the Legislature - meaning no Republican support is necessary - because the new tax would be offset by a decrease in the sales tax.

The plan includes no "broad-based tax increases," the speaker said, but it would delay $2.1 billion in planned corporate tax breaks that have not been implemented, an element also included in Senate Democrats' plan.

Assembly Republican Leader Martin Garrick, R-Carlsbad, slammed the proposal as a "complicated scheme of one-time borrowing to pay for ongoing health and welfare programs, paid for by raising taxes on job creators and working Californians." He repeated GOP leaders' calls for no new taxes.

Schwarzenegger spokesman Aaron McLear also characterized the proposal as the kind of budgeting gimmicks Democratic leaders have criticized in the past. The administration, however, did not appear to reject it out of hand.

"The Assembly Democrats' budget proposal includes no real spending cuts and no real reforms - only legal gymnastics for majority vote tax increases," McLear said. "This practice of punishing taxpayers for Sacramento's failure to live within its means must stop. That's why the Governor will not sign a budget unless it includes budget and pension reforms without further increasing taxes."

Officials with the state's largest union, however, praised the plans from both Senate and Assembly Democrats.

"These sensible alternatives to a cuts-only budget that would hurt our families and our economy recognize that California's families have already sacrificed too deeply," said Bill Lloyd, president of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) California. "There is now broad agreement that it is time to come together and end the sweetheart deals oil companies and other corporations have walked away with budget after budget."

In other budget action:

The Senate Budget Committee rejected proposals by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to eliminate drug treatment programs, the state welfare-to-work program and most state assistance for child care.
 

Infohawk

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It's a shame California is becoming the Greece of the US. It's crazy the courts are being closed so that money can be spent on welfare. I'm not 100% against welfare but comon' law and order > welfare benefits.
 

cubby1223

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Illinois ain't much better, our state government is soon to borrow $4 billion just to cover the next due payment for the pensions of state workers, let alone the rest of the state's financial misery...

One of the Democrats in the congress gave a little snippet for reporters, somehow finding a way to call borrowing $4 billion the most fiscally responsible course of action for the state to take.
 
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cubby1223

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To pick a quote out of the article:
Officials with the state's largest union, however, praised the plans from both Senate and Assembly Democrats.
This is the best tell-tale sign that the plan will be a failure of unimaginable proportions for the health of the state.
 

shangshang

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Dems and Cons all the same, which are the same as the American people: borrow money and spend until you go bankrupt.

You don't see this trend? Blaming the Dems (or the Cons) is not thinking big.
 

Zebo

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You can thank the corporatist for hollowing out American manufacturing and jobs and leaving borders open... whatchagonna do? Starve em? Its not like people want to collect that measly benefit. I assure they would rather work but there are no jobs and jobs get 1000's of resumes for one position. Go ahead starve em and when they shoot you in the face for a dollar don't say Zebo didn't warn you.
 

Zebo

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"Job creation is central to solving our central crisis. Our economy will not recover until the 2.3 million Californians who lost their jobs have found new work,
These fools never ask why is their cell phone, TV, ceiling fan and pretty much everything else in their home not made by their constituents. Why are we feeding Chinese tables instead of our own? I laugh at them. A black comedy but still very funny. America is well on it's way to becoming a third world country. In many ways already the economy and the distribution of wealth already resemble that of a medieval monarchy or a more recent third world scenario like what Brazil or Venezuela used to look like. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer while the middle class eventually starts to slip more and more towards being poor.
 

theflyingpig

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If California got rid of its garbage illegal population, it wouldn't have these problems. Too bad liberals are to stupid to realize this simple fact. Everyone knows this.
 

shangshang

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Kalifornia and 'Merika have been going down the loo as far as jobs go. You can thank Corporate America for that. Sooner or later, the chicken will come home to roost. In fact, the chicken is already here. Don't expect any quick job recovery. I'm glad that I still hold a job and my mortgage is almost paid off.
 

shangshang

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If California got rid of its garbage illegal population, it wouldn't have these problems. Too bad liberals are to stupid to realize this simple fact. Everyone knows this.

Everyone except W. He had 8 years with a supporting Congress and didn't do nothing. Oh wait, W didn't do nothing because the businessmen who want el cheapo labor from Jose and Pepe told W not to do anything.

You are not thinking, son.
 

Zebo

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If California got rid of its garbage illegal population, it wouldn't have these problems. Too bad liberals are to stupid to realize this simple fact. Everyone knows this.

Liberals problem is they take virtues like trying to overcome their xenophobia to the extreme to where they become harmful vices. They sacrice thier moral beliefs for capitulating to islam of all things who would chop thier fkn heads off given half the chance, sacrifice a large middle class for cheap unlimted supply of South American labor because they have darker skin and so on. Biggest fools ever and I laugh at them too.
 

Zebo

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Everyone except W. He had 8 years with a supporting Congress and didn't do nothing. Oh wait, W didn't do nothing because the businessmen who want el cheapo labor from Jose and Pepe told W not to do anything.

You are not thinking, son.

Chamber of Commerce is a huge supporter of Republican party and amnesty. They have whole webpages why open borders and anmesty is the way to go. You see people that have money just get richer the more laborers there are since common people have to eat and provide for their families thus have to take anything. Simple supply and demand curves. So, you're 100% right, both parties are equally culpable.

I am pleased to hear you're on the right side of the fault line. Do you live in gated security community or rural to keep riff raff out?
 
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Skitzer

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Everyone except W. He had 8 years with a supporting Congress and didn't do nothing. Oh wait, W didn't do nothing because the businessmen who want el cheapo labor from Jose and Pepe told W not to do anything.

You are not thinking, son.

Yeah, yeah ..... blame Bush for California being fiscally irresponsible ...... yeah, that's the ticket. It's all his fault ..... yeah.
 

MotF Bane

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California is fucking unbelievable. Let's borrow, set up a debt that will last for two decades, and for something that has no return on investment. Where do they find these people?
 

Hacp

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California is fucking unbelievable. Let's borrow, set up a debt that will last for two decades, and for something that has no return on investment. Where do they find these people?

The unions found them.
 

Moonbeam

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The state is run by the unions so the state has mandated that everything bought by the state can be made only in state by California union members. This has caused a huge drop in unemployment and a rise in wages leaving the state to foot the bill. Now they want to spend the tax surplus on other shit for the state. It's an endless circus, I tell ya.
 

Genx87

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Everyone except W. He had 8 years with a supporting Congress and didn't do nothing. Oh wait, W didn't do nothing because the businessmen who want el cheapo labor from Jose and Pepe told W not to do anything.

You are not thinking, son.

This is good. Blaming California woes on Bush.

Bush only had 4 years where his party controlled both houses. And only 2 of those with any kind of advantage to consider ramming things down the Dems throats.
 

nick1985

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Everyone except W. He had 8 years with a supporting Congress and didn't do nothing. Oh wait, W didn't do nothing because the businessmen who want el cheapo labor from Jose and Pepe told W not to do anything.

You are not thinking, son.

You are not really this stupid, are you?
 

nick1985

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Kalifornia and 'Merika have been going down the loo as far as jobs go. You can thank Corporate America for that. Sooner or later, the chicken will come home to roost. In fact, the chicken is already here. Don't expect any quick job recovery. I'm glad that I still hold a job and my mortgage is almost paid off.

No, California can thank its massive illegal population and its unions. Liberal utopia


Duh!
 

Moonbeam

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Originally Posted by shangshang
Kalifornia and 'Merika have been going down the loo as far as jobs go. You can thank Corporate America for that. Sooner or later, the chicken will come home to roost. In fact, the chicken is already here. Don't expect any quick job recovery. I'm glad that I still hold a job and my mortgage is almost paid off.

No, California can thank its massive illegal population and its unions. Liberal utopia


Duh!

You're not really this stupid, are you?
 

nick1985

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You're not really this stupid, are you?

Are you insinuating that California's massive illegal population and strangehold by unions are not severely hurting their financial situation?

Let me guess, its corporate America!!! :rolleyes:

Go on Batshitbeam, go on some long rant that makes no fucking sense at all where you say I am filled with self-hate. We all know its coming.