Dems bouncing around ideas to "help" AIG w/their contractual obligations

RightIsWrong

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There is talk of letting the honor the contracts....and tax the proceeds at 98%.

Muuuhhhhaaaaaa

Silly white collar corporate thieves. They brought a contract lawyer to a gunfight. They should have realized that no one steals like the federal government.

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...ive-bonuses-dodd-says/

As public and political outrage grows over $165 million AIG paid as bonuses to executives while taking billions in taxpayer dollars, an idea is germinating in Congress. If you cannot get the money back, tax the bonuses.

"It's an idea very much at the embryonic stage," said Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd, D-Conn., "You can write a tax provision targeted specifically at 98 percent of the taxable proceeds."

Dodd said that "doesn't violate the terms of the contracts," referring to legally-binding agreements that appear to preclude government action.

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., says his staff is reviewing such a proposal. He called it a "worthy" idea but said he needs to know more about how it would work.

Dodd says this is something that "could happen fast. We could write this tomorrow."

Rep. Carolyn Maloney D-N.Y, the chair of the Joint Economic Committee, is also calling for a 100 percent tax on bonuses not related to commissions.

In a letter she distributed to fellow legislators for co-sponsorship, Maloney introduces legislation that will instruct the Treasury and the Internal Revenue Service to develop guidelines that tax at 100 percent any bonus compensation that is not directly related to a commission for any recipient of TARP funds where the government is the majority owner of the company.

"For a company that has required $170 billion in U.S. taxpayer assistance and is 80 percent owned by the United States government, this is clearly unacceptable," said Maloney.

When asked if he plans to write legislation to limit the Federal Reserve's unfettered ability to lend money without strings attached, so as to prevent the situation with AIG from happening again, Dodd would not answer directly, saying only, "We need to look at that whole debate about modernization of the system ... they've got to do a better job."

Dodd says he plans hearings into the AIG bonuses. The senator said he was told about the controversy on Thursday.
 

yowolabi

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Let's just say that if I was an AIG exec, I wouldn't be making any plans for spending that bonus.
 

frostedflakes

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LMAO, good stuff. If this goes through banks are going to be tripping over each other in a rush to give back that TARP money. :p
 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: frostedflakes
LMAO, good stuff. If this goes through banks are going to be tripping over each other in a rush to give back that TARP money. :p

Its only if the government owns a majority stake. The only company that the government owns right now is AIG.
 

frostedflakes

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
LMAO, good stuff. If this goes through banks are going to be tripping over each other in a rush to give back that TARP money. :p

Its only if the government owns a majority stake. The only company that the government owns right now is AIG.
You're right, but Congress could just as easily pass similar legislation to go after other TARP recipients if bonuses become a problem. TARP money is becoming a big liability for the banks.
 

Andrew1990

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+1 for the Dems. Finally something I can stand behind.


lol, this must make the execs pretty mad. :)
 

WHAMPOM

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
There is talk of letting the honor the contracts....and tax the proceeds at 98%.

Muuuhhhhaaaaaa

Silly white collar corporate thieves. They brought a contract lawyer to a gunfight. They should have realized that no one steals like the federal government.

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...ive-bonuses-dodd-says/

As public and political outrage grows over $165 million AIG paid as bonuses to executives while taking billions in taxpayer dollars, an idea is germinating in Congress. If you cannot get the money back, tax the bonuses.

"It's an idea very much at the embryonic stage," said Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd, D-Conn., "You can write a tax provision targeted specifically at 98 percent of the taxable proceeds."

Dodd said that "doesn't violate the terms of the contracts," referring to legally-binding agreements that appear to preclude government action.

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., says his staff is reviewing such a proposal. He called it a "worthy" idea but said he needs to know more about how it would work.

Dodd says this is something that "could happen fast. We could write this tomorrow."

Rep. Carolyn Maloney D-N.Y, the chair of the Joint Economic Committee, is also calling for a 100 percent tax on bonuses not related to commissions.

In a letter she distributed to fellow legislators for co-sponsorship, Maloney introduces legislation that will instruct the Treasury and the Internal Revenue Service to develop guidelines that tax at 100 percent any bonus compensation that is not directly related to a commission for any recipient of TARP funds where the government is the majority owner of the company.

"For a company that has required $170 billion in U.S. taxpayer assistance and is 80 percent owned by the United States government, this is clearly unacceptable," said Maloney.

When asked if he plans to write legislation to limit the Federal Reserve's unfettered ability to lend money without strings attached, so as to prevent the situation with AIG from happening again, Dodd would not answer directly, saying only, "We need to look at that whole debate about modernization of the system ... they've got to do a better job."

Dodd says he plans hearings into the AIG bonuses. The senator said he was told about the controversy on Thursday.

WOW!! What a backlash! Are these the people that laugh at the underlings who get by, by bringing a home made lunch to work? Now let's make it retroactive.
 

Phokus

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Ahahahaha, that's fucking brilliant, i want those asshole AIG execs front and center if this bill ever passes, just to see the look in their eyes.
 

Phokus

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And you just KNOW the republicans will cry 'socialism' if this bill ever reaches the floor, ignoring the fact that AIG robbed the american people blind.
 

Schadenfroh

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Originally posted by: Phokus
And you just KNOW the republicans will cry 'socialism' if this bill ever reaches the floor, ignoring the fact that AIG robbed the american people blind.

Nah, hardcore capitalists that would cry socialism would have let the company die. No company, no bonus.
 

quest55720

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If Obama can block these the bonus payments to those who caused this mess I will salute him on a job well done. Those scumbags who caused this mess sure the hell don't deserve a bonus.
 

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Interesting, I wonder if that would set a dangerous precedent. I'm not well versed in the intricacies of contract law but if they can get away with it without setting dangerous precedent for contracts in finance, then this is just what the doctor ordered.
 

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Originally posted by: Phokus
And you just KNOW the republicans will cry 'socialism' if this bill ever reaches the floor, ignoring the fact that AIG robbed the american people blind.

Not when they suggest the AIG people to go kill themselves. ;)
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: sciwizam
Originally posted by: Phokus
And you just KNOW the republicans will cry 'socialism' if this bill ever reaches the floor, ignoring the fact that AIG robbed the american people blind.

Not when they suggest the AIG people to go kill themselves. ;)

Well that's one good republican, but i'm sure he has lots of pissed off constituents that aren't necessarily republicans. We'll see what the GOP's leadership (rush limbaugh) has to say about this.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Evan
Interesting, I wonder if that would set a dangerous precedent. I'm not well versed in the intricacies of contract law but if they can get away with it without setting dangerous precedent for contracts in finance, then this is just what the doctor ordered.

How so? The contract is enforced, the execs get their payment... they just have to give most of it to the government thanks to the updated tax code ;)
 

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I saw no way out of this, but this does seem a good way.

I am concerned the gov and everybody else is focusing too much on $165M and not working on more important issues, though. It is symbolic, but it is not the substance. If they can tax these up to 100%, though, that would be quite funny.
 

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Evan
Interesting, I wonder if that would set a dangerous precedent. I'm not well versed in the intricacies of contract law but if they can get away with it without setting dangerous precedent for contracts in finance, then this is just what the doctor ordered.

How so? The contract is enforced, the execs get their payment... they just have to give most of it to the government thanks to the updated tax code ;)

I heard that you can write tax exceptions into contracts assuming they haven't already been signed into law. That could be totally off though.
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Nah, hardcore capitalists that would cry socialism would have let the company die. No company, no bonus.

They should have let the company die....this tax is one I am ok with if it comes to pass.
 

Robor

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The pessimist in me says this is too good to be true but I 'hope' I'm wrong. ;)
 

alchemize

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Typical idiot dems and their idiot supporters. Penny wise, pound foolish. Flailing around to recoup 0.097% of AIG's bailout money.