Dems Apparently Fear Thompson

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: loki8481
imo, Fred Thompson is laughable and symbolic only of the weakness of the other Republican candidates.

He's the uber republican. Like a charicature. I hate his views on a lot of stuff, like gay marriage (how do you work a lifetime in hollywood and hate gay people?) But he's the only pro-gun candidate, so he'll be getting my vote.

Good thing you have your priorities in order, way to be an informed member of the electorate!

I'm a single issue voter. The way I see it, if all else fails, at least we'll be able vote from the roof tops.

Well.....where to begin.

To you, what is the difference between a pro gun and anti gun candidate? Are the laws going to change significantly either way? The answer is no.

What current gun law do you feel needs to be repealed that you think you pro gun candidate could bring about?

What potential law do you fear from an anti gun candidate?

Just a little flabbergasted that with all the problems this country faces, this is the most important issue to you.

Undo the import assault weapon ban of 1989. Repeal GCA of 1968. Repeal the NFA of 1934.
Much more likely to happen as a result of legal action than any politician. But a politican who supports ANY gun control is not my politician.

None of the country's problems are as important as the government taking power away from the people.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Thompson would win if Hillary's hit men in the press don't swiftboat him like on these abortion and lobbing deals...

"Swiftboating" is a Republican specialty out of Karl Rove's shop, but no one have to "swiftboat" Thompson. If he officially becomes a candidate own voting record will be enough to sink him, and if you check the link in my earlier post, he has admitted that, as legal counsel to the Watergate committee investigtating Nixon, he violated his ethical and legal responsibilities when he tipped off Nixon's attorneys that the committee was going to ask about the now famous Whitehouse recording system.

Hillary's no prize. Thomson's no better. Why do we have to assume our choices are restricted to ethical dwarves and moral midgets? :roll:

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Hillary's no prize. Thomson's no better. Why do we have to assume our choices are restricted to ethical dwarves and moral midgets? :roll:

Why do you think ethics and morals are important in a politician? That's not what politicians are for.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Undo the import assault weapon ban of 1989. Repeal GCA of 1968. Repeal the NFA of 1934.
Much more likely to happen as a result of legal action than any politician. But a politican who supports ANY gun control is not my politician.

None of the country's problems are as important as the government taking power away from the people.

None of those are going to happen, most people in this country do not support free unfettered access to fully automatic weapons and for good reason. That bank robbery in LA about 10 years ago would be just the tip of the iceberg if the majority of gun crimes were committed with full auto AK's instead of handguns. Bonnie and Clyde and handful of other top tier criminals were tearing up police and civilians with BAR's before NFA.

If people want these weapons they can still get them, they just have to jump through some hoops.

IN order to restore power to the people I am going to assume that you want to end the war on drugs completely, abolish the income tax, abolish speed limits on highways, ban all corporate lobbying, are pro choice, etc, etc.

Funny your response in the Drug War thread seems to state the opposite, you want to return the power to the people only when that satisfies your ideology.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Why do you think ethics and morals are important in a politician? That's not what politicians are for.

You forgot either the sarcasm tags or any hope for our nation's survival. :thumbsdown:

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Harvey
Hillary's no prize. Thomson's no better. Why do we have to assume our choices are restricted to ethical dwarves and moral midgets? :roll:

Why do you think ethics and morals are important in a politician? That's not what politicians are for.

Perhaps if you had some you would understand.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Nebor
Undo the import assault weapon ban of 1989. Repeal GCA of 1968. Repeal the NFA of 1934.
Much more likely to happen as a result of legal action than any politician. But a politican who supports ANY gun control is not my politician.

None of the country's problems are as important as the government taking power away from the people.

None of those are going to happen, most people in this country do not support free unfettered access to fully automatic weapons and for good reason. That bank robbery in LA about 10 years ago would be just the tip of the iceberg if the majority of gun crimes were committed with full auto AK's instead of handguns. Bonnie and Clyde and handful of other top tier criminals were tearing up police and civilians with BAR's before NFA.

If people want these weapons they can still get them, they just have to jump through some hoops.

IN order to restore power to the people I am going to assume that you want to end the war on drugs completely, abolish the income tax, abolish speed limits on highways, ban all corporate lobbying, are pro choice, etc, etc.

Funny your response in the Drug War thread seems to state the opposite, you want to return the power to the people only when that satisfies your ideology.

LA bank robbers were using illegally modified AKs. Not that it matters. Thinking that a fully automatic weapon is any more lethal or dangerous is just silly. The point of fully automatic fire is in general, to supress an enemy position. It's not like the ability to dump a 30 round mag in 1.5 seconds means you can kill 30 people.

People are going to kill one another no matter what instruments are available to them.

And you can't get new fully automatic weapons. The NFA registry for machine guns was closed to everyone except law enforcement in 1986. This has caused full autos to be both outdated and extremely expensive.

Interestingly enough, we could see all kinds of gun control struck down by courts after the Supreme Court hears the Washington DC handgun case next year.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Nebor
Undo the import assault weapon ban of 1989. Repeal GCA of 1968. Repeal the NFA of 1934.
Much more likely to happen as a result of legal action than any politician. But a politican who supports ANY gun control is not my politician.

None of the country's problems are as important as the government taking power away from the people.

None of those are going to happen, most people in this country do not support free unfettered access to fully automatic weapons and for good reason. That bank robbery in LA about 10 years ago would be just the tip of the iceberg if the majority of gun crimes were committed with full auto AK's instead of handguns. Bonnie and Clyde and handful of other top tier criminals were tearing up police and civilians with BAR's before NFA.

If people want these weapons they can still get them, they just have to jump through some hoops.

IN order to restore power to the people I am going to assume that you want to end the war on drugs completely, abolish the income tax, abolish speed limits on highways, ban all corporate lobbying, are pro choice, etc, etc.

Funny your response in the Drug War thread seems to state the opposite, you want to return the power to the people only when that satisfies your ideology.

LA bank robbers were using illegally modified AKs. Not that it matters. Thinking that a fully automatic weapon is any more lethal or dangerous is just silly. The point of fully automatic fire is in general, to supress an enemy position. It's not like the ability to dump a 30 round mag in 1.5 seconds means you can kill 30 people.

People are going to kill one another no matter what instruments are available to them.

And you can't get new fully automatic weapons. The NFA registry for machine guns was closed to everyone except law enforcement in 1986. This has caused full autos to be both outdated and extremely expensive.

Interestingly enough, we could see all kinds of gun control struck down by courts after the Supreme Court hears the Washington DC handgun case next year.

Yeah they were using modified AK's, MODIFIED TO FULL AUTO and using 100 round mags.

Yes, full auto weapons have the potential to kill many more people than semi in a short period of time. I can't believe you are trying to argue this isn't the case. Yes they were suppressing the police but also spraying an impenetrable wall of lead and hitting a hell of a lot of people on the way. If they didn't have these weapons the police would have subdued them much more quickly, this is a no brainer.

It's expensive but it can be done, sorry if you want to own a military grade weapon then you need to pay the piper. Boo hoo.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Why do you think ethics and morals are important in a politician?

That's not what politicians are for.

What are politicians for in your definition?

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Nebor
Why do you think ethics and morals are important in a politician? That's not what politicians are for.

You forgot either the sarcasm tags or any hope for our nation's survival. :thumbsdown:

Based on his posts, I'd say he's not being sarcastic.

 

[Lemon law]

Lets just say that we can somewhat discard the premise of the OP that the dems are peeing their pants at the prospect of having to face Thompson in 08.

There is the old story about Barry Goldwater in 1964---and as the pundit listened to Barry's acceptance speech after he wrapped up the Republican nomination---the said pundit fully expected Barry to move more to the center now that there was no longer any need to pander to the radical right. And instead, the pundit was heard to exclaim---" Oh my God, he is going to run as Barry Goldwater."

Methinks Thompson will have the same problem.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Nebor
Undo the import assault weapon ban of 1989. Repeal GCA of 1968. Repeal the NFA of 1934.
Much more likely to happen as a result of legal action than any politician. But a politican who supports ANY gun control is not my politician.

None of the country's problems are as important as the government taking power away from the people.

None of those are going to happen, most people in this country do not support free unfettered access to fully automatic weapons and for good reason. That bank robbery in LA about 10 years ago would be just the tip of the iceberg if the majority of gun crimes were committed with full auto AK's instead of handguns. Bonnie and Clyde and handful of other top tier criminals were tearing up police and civilians with BAR's before NFA.

If people want these weapons they can still get them, they just have to jump through some hoops.

IN order to restore power to the people I am going to assume that you want to end the war on drugs completely, abolish the income tax, abolish speed limits on highways, ban all corporate lobbying, are pro choice, etc, etc.

Funny your response in the Drug War thread seems to state the opposite, you want to return the power to the people only when that satisfies your ideology.

LA bank robbers were using illegally modified AKs. Not that it matters. Thinking that a fully automatic weapon is any more lethal or dangerous is just silly. The point of fully automatic fire is in general, to supress an enemy position. It's not like the ability to dump a 30 round mag in 1.5 seconds means you can kill 30 people.

People are going to kill one another no matter what instruments are available to them.

And you can't get new fully automatic weapons. The NFA registry for machine guns was closed to everyone except law enforcement in 1986. This has caused full autos to be both outdated and extremely expensive.

Interestingly enough, we could see all kinds of gun control struck down by courts after the Supreme Court hears the Washington DC handgun case next year.

Yeah they were using modified AK's, MODIFIED TO FULL AUTO and using 100 round mags.

Yes, full auto weapons have the potential to kill many more people than semi in a short period of time. I can't believe you are trying to argue this isn't the case. Yes they were suppressing the police but also spraying an impenetrable wall of lead and hitting a hell of a lot of people on the way. If they didn't have these weapons the police would have subdued them much more quickly, this is a no brainer.

It's expensive but it can be done, sorry if you want to own a military grade weapon then you need to pay the piper. Boo hoo.

It takes one more hole and one more pin to make an AK full auto. It's extremely easy.

Regulating machine guns is a feel good measure that doesn't keep new machine guns out of the hands of bad guys who want them. I could get a brand new H&K MP5, illegally for $1500. Or I could get a used, legal NFA weapon for $20,000.

 

[Zebo]

I thought you need a new seer machined to make a AK full auto - anyway I could kill more people with my truck than any auto weapon - when are they going to ban cars?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Zebo
I thought you need a new seer machined to make a AK full auto - anyway I could kill more people with my truck than any auto weapon - when are they going to ban cars?

AKs have long skirted all ATF regulations requiring guns be made difficult to modify to be fully automatic. Anyone with internet access and a drill press could make an AK full auto in less than half an hour.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: Harvey


Hillary's no prize. Thomson's no better. Why do we have to assume our choices are restricted to ethical dwarves and moral midgets? :roll:

Because at this point it's all we are really offered.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: loki8481
imo, Fred Thompson is laughable and symbolic only of the weakness of the other Republican candidates.

He's the uber republican. Like a charicature. I hate his views on a lot of stuff, like gay marriage (how do you work a lifetime in hollywood and hate gay people?) But he's the only pro-gun candidate, so he'll be getting my vote.

AFAIK, Bill Richardson is the NRA's candidate for President.
He has the highest rating from the NRA among all current candidates running for President.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: loki8481
imo, Fred Thompson is laughable and symbolic only of the weakness of the other Republican candidates.

He's the uber republican. Like a charicature. I hate his views on a lot of stuff, like gay marriage (how do you work a lifetime in hollywood and hate gay people?) But he's the only pro-gun candidate, so he'll be getting my vote.

AFAIK, Bill Richardson is the NRA's candidate for President.
He has the highest rating from the NRA among all current candidates running for President.

Thompson is just as good. And actually has a chance at winning.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Nebor
Undo the import assault weapon ban of 1989. Repeal GCA of 1968. Repeal the NFA of 1934.
Much more likely to happen as a result of legal action than any politician. But a politican who supports ANY gun control is not my politician.

None of the country's problems are as important as the government taking power away from the people.

None of those are going to happen, most people in this country do not support free unfettered access to fully automatic weapons and for good reason. That bank robbery in LA about 10 years ago would be just the tip of the iceberg if the majority of gun crimes were committed with full auto AK's instead of handguns. Bonnie and Clyde and handful of other top tier criminals were tearing up police and civilians with BAR's before NFA.

If people want these weapons they can still get them, they just have to jump through some hoops.

IN order to restore power to the people I am going to assume that you want to end the war on drugs completely, abolish the income tax, abolish speed limits on highways, ban all corporate lobbying, are pro choice, etc, etc.

Funny your response in the Drug War thread seems to state the opposite, you want to return the power to the people only when that satisfies your ideology.

LA bank robbers were using illegally modified AKs. Not that it matters. Thinking that a fully automatic weapon is any more lethal or dangerous is just silly. The point of fully automatic fire is in general, to supress an enemy position. It's not like the ability to dump a 30 round mag in 1.5 seconds means you can kill 30 people.

People are going to kill one another no matter what instruments are available to them.

And you can't get new fully automatic weapons. The NFA registry for machine guns was closed to everyone except law enforcement in 1986. This has caused full autos to be both outdated and extremely expensive.

Interestingly enough, we could see all kinds of gun control struck down by courts after the Supreme Court hears the Washington DC handgun case next year.

Yeah they were using modified AK's, MODIFIED TO FULL AUTO and using 100 round mags.

Yes, full auto weapons have the potential to kill many more people than semi in a short period of time. I can't believe you are trying to argue this isn't the case. Yes they were suppressing the police but also spraying an impenetrable wall of lead and hitting a hell of a lot of people on the way. If they didn't have these weapons the police would have subdued them much more quickly, this is a no brainer.

It's expensive but it can be done, sorry if you want to own a military grade weapon then you need to pay the piper. Boo hoo.

It takes one more hole and one more pin to make an AK full auto. It's extremely easy.

Regulating machine guns is a feel good measure that doesn't keep new machine guns out of the hands of bad guys who want them. I could get a brand new H&K MP5, illegally for $1500. Or I could get a used, legal NFA weapon for $20,000.

So lets make the laws better.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Nebor
Undo the import assault weapon ban of 1989. Repeal GCA of 1968. Repeal the NFA of 1934.
Much more likely to happen as a result of legal action than any politician. But a politican who supports ANY gun control is not my politician.

None of the country's problems are as important as the government taking power away from the people.

None of those are going to happen, most people in this country do not support free unfettered access to fully automatic weapons and for good reason. That bank robbery in LA about 10 years ago would be just the tip of the iceberg if the majority of gun crimes were committed with full auto AK's instead of handguns. Bonnie and Clyde and handful of other top tier criminals were tearing up police and civilians with BAR's before NFA.

If people want these weapons they can still get them, they just have to jump through some hoops.

IN order to restore power to the people I am going to assume that you want to end the war on drugs completely, abolish the income tax, abolish speed limits on highways, ban all corporate lobbying, are pro choice, etc, etc.

Funny your response in the Drug War thread seems to state the opposite, you want to return the power to the people only when that satisfies your ideology.

LA bank robbers were using illegally modified AKs. Not that it matters. Thinking that a fully automatic weapon is any more lethal or dangerous is just silly. The point of fully automatic fire is in general, to supress an enemy position. It's not like the ability to dump a 30 round mag in 1.5 seconds means you can kill 30 people.

People are going to kill one another no matter what instruments are available to them.

And you can't get new fully automatic weapons. The NFA registry for machine guns was closed to everyone except law enforcement in 1986. This has caused full autos to be both outdated and extremely expensive.

Interestingly enough, we could see all kinds of gun control struck down by courts after the Supreme Court hears the Washington DC handgun case next year.

Yeah they were using modified AK's, MODIFIED TO FULL AUTO and using 100 round mags.

Yes, full auto weapons have the potential to kill many more people than semi in a short period of time. I can't believe you are trying to argue this isn't the case. Yes they were suppressing the police but also spraying an impenetrable wall of lead and hitting a hell of a lot of people on the way. If they didn't have these weapons the police would have subdued them much more quickly, this is a no brainer.

It's expensive but it can be done, sorry if you want to own a military grade weapon then you need to pay the piper. Boo hoo.

It takes one more hole and one more pin to make an AK full auto. It's extremely easy.

Regulating machine guns is a feel good measure that doesn't keep new machine guns out of the hands of bad guys who want them. I could get a brand new H&K MP5, illegally for $1500. Or I could get a used, legal NFA weapon for $20,000.

So lets make the laws better.

Read to the top of the nested quote. I already offered the solution to gun crimes.