Dems alarmed as Independents bolt party

[blackangst1]

lots of buyers remorse. they found out a popularity contest doesn't elect a worth while president.

ayup

 

[nobodyknows]

Kick in that ignore feature you love so much, pussy.

Oh, look who's whining about lefties whining. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, eh??

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally Posted by IGBT
lots of buyers remorse. they found out a popularity contest doesn't elect a worth while president.

ayup

LOL at all the butthurt righties!!!

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

To an opinion piece? All one has to do is look at the last election results. Just because you righties are whining incessantly that the voters are having "buyers remorse" doesn't it make it true.

You asserted that Independents are bolting to the Dems...everything I've seen indicates otherwise and that's why I asked for a link that backs up your statement. BTW...we're talking about what's going on now...not a year ago. And would it be asking too much to ask for you to tone down the "you righties" and related rhetoric...it really doesn't flatter your intelligence.

 

[fskimospy]

Nope. It's long past time to get outside the two-party box. Or prison cell, really.

Such a thing really isn't possible under our Constitution though. You might be able to replace one of the two current parties with a DIFFERENT party, but a viable third party on a national scale? Never gonna happen.

 

[nobodyknows]

You asserted that Independents are bolting to the Dems...everything I've seen indicates otherwise and that's why I asked for a link that backs up your statement. BTW...we're talking about what's going on now...not a year ago. And would it be asking too much to ask for you to tone down the "you righties" and related rhetoric...it really doesn't flatter your intelligence.

Like an opinion piece proves somehting? LOL at YOU righties. Now buzz off unless you can prove my "assertion" is wrong.

 

[werepossum]

^^ http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot

Republicans are up across the board. Either Democrats are going Republican, or independents are.

I expect the 'Pubbies will take the House in '10, though probably not the Senate. And spending will probably slow, and taxes go up less than if the Dems keep both. But ultimately I have no faith in the Republicans either. Under Clinton the Republican Congress was great, but as soon as Bush was elected they proceeded to outspend the Democrat Congresses before them. Thus I have no faith that another Republican President and Congress will behave any better than the last time. A small tax cut and huge deficit spending is no better for most people than really huge deficit spending; they both kill the country.

More and more it seems to me that the Republican position is just "What he said - but let me do it because I'll go slower and he's a socialist." Both might be true - but it still doesn't make much of a choice.

 

[Atreus21]

this forum generally pisses me off way too much to peruse it regularly, but i must ask-

where are the liberal/democrat trolls? do you people not notice that all the silly cut and paste partisan shit-stirring posts are always from the right?

give me a break, why would anyone intelligent even bother arguing with these people.

I think the topic that coupled conservative thought with low IQ just shattered your assumption.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Like an opinion piece proves somehting? LOL at YOU righties. Now buzz off unless you can prove my "assertion" is wrong.

Helloooo....anybody home?

 

[nobodyknows]

Helloooo....anybody home?

Is that the best you got? The last election is my proof and you have an opinion piece? LOL at all the tightie rightie sore losers.

 

[Ausm]

well you know how it goes with patrenus....pjabber they are both almost interchangeable...lol....he doesn`t want us to read the article for ourselves...and possibly find that he might have doctored the article...
Plus coming from Patrenus you know it is better that watching Comedy Central....

Yeah right wing douchebags.

 

[OutHouse]

Is that the best you got? The last election is my proof and you have an opinion piece? LOL at all the tightie rightie sore losers.

my god, how old are you????

 

[Red Dawn]

The independants are bolting alright, but to the Dems, not from the Dems.

No I think the Dems are going to bare the brunt of the Indies dissatisfaction with the state of the economy in 2010 but they're going to find out the Republicans got nothing. Of course the Republicans will keep trying to cut Obama off at the knees when they have Congress but it will backfire on them just like it did when the tried that with Clinton.

All they've done is whine and hold teabagger parties but haven't offered up any viable alternatives or solutions.

 

[OCGuy]

2010 could be great. No more horrible legislation rammed down our throats.

The aura of superiority and smugness the Dems had after the resounding victory in November is gone. They have now resorted to name calling and bickering, which tells me one thing:

They are nervous.

 

[nobodyknows]

my god, how old are you????

Probably older then you, Doc Savage and the OP combined. Yes, I'm over 18.

 

[nobodyknows]

No I think the Dems are going to bare the brunt of the Indies dissatisfaction with the state of the economy in 2010 but they're going to find out the Republicans got nothing. Of course the Republicans will keep trying to cut Obama off at the knees when they have Congress but it will backfire on them just like it did when the tried that with Clinton.

All they've done is whine and hold teabagger parties but haven't offered up any viable alternatives or solutions.

Perhaps, but perhaps not. After 8 years of Bush I don't think 2 years is enough time for the indies to get pissed off enough at the Dems to vote for the GOP.

 

[blackangst1]

Such a thing really isn't possible under our Constitution though. You might be able to replace one of the two current parties with a DIFFERENT party, but a viable third party on a national scale? Never gonna happen.

And a black man could never be elected president

 

[PJABBER]

^^ http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot

Republicans are up across the board. Either Democrats are going Republican, or independents are.

I expect the 'Pubbies will take the House in '10, though probably not the Senate. And spending will probably slow, and taxes go up less than if the Dems keep both. But ultimately I have no faith in the Republicans either. Under Clinton the Republican Congress was great, but as soon as Bush was elected they proceeded to outspend the Democrat Congresses before them. Thus I have no faith that another Republican President and Congress will behave any better than the last time. A small tax cut and huge deficit spending is no better for most people than really huge deficit spending; they both kill the country.

More and more it seems to me that the Republican position is just "What he said - but let me do it because I'll go slower and he's a socialist." Both might be true - but it still doesn't make much of a choice.

The Republicans, independents and tea partiers are still looking for a national voice. There is no consensus as to whom might speak for the center right.

Huckabee, with his TV show, has a forum and a serious advantage there. Palin is unlikely to run, but she has the country's ear right now and is a massive energizer and inspirer, and is unlike anyone the Democrat Party can hope to field. The intellectuals, like Jindal and Romney, are in the background, but are unlikely to stir sufficient ground roots support as they are not built for TV and are thus more likely to be first choices for VP nods. Gingrich is an architect and he might be more of a player again once the game is seriously afoot.

I am going to go out on a limb here and predict that women and minorities are going to be leading the Republicans to victory. It will be strong and intellectual women like Liz Cheney that will put them over the top and someone like her is likely to be at the top of the Republican ticket. Whoever emerges will be likely nominated by the wholesale switchover by Asians from Democrat to Republican, as they come to realize the American economic dream they want is not possible with the heavy weight of big government around their necks. The Black vote will still be majority Democrat, but the Republicans are going to make significant inroads even there as the economic issues peel off working black families from the welfare state expectations of the "progressive" Democrats.

Yeah, if I were a Democrat strategist I'd be plenty worried.

 

[Red Dawn]

Perhaps, but perhaps not. After 8 years of Bush I don't think 2 years is enough time for the indies to get pissed off enough at the Dems to vote for the GOP.

Eh, it's not as if they are handing the country back to the Republicans, they might feel a little check and balance might be good. I'm not all the enthralled with the Dems in Congress though I seriously doubt the Republicans would be any better if history is any indication.

 

[PJABBER]

Probably older then you, Doc Savage and the OP combined. Yes, I'm over 18.

If you are THAT old you are either Methuselah or dead.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

If you are THAT old you are either Methuselah or dead.

ROFL. BTW...Methuselah was my younger brother.

 

[jonks]

The Republicans, independents and tea partiers are still looking for a national voice. There is no consensus as to whom might speak for the center right.

Huckabee, with his TV show, has a forum and a serious advantage there. Palin is unlikely to run, but she has the country's ear right now and is a massive energizer and inspirer, and is unlike anyone the Democrat Party can hope to field. The intellectuals, like Jindal and Romney, are in the background, but are unlikely to stir sufficient ground roots support as they are not built for TV and are thus more likely to be first choices for VP nods. Gingrich is an architect and he might be more of a player again once the game is seriously afoot.

I am going to go out on a limb here and predict that women and minorities are going to be leading the Republicans to victory. It will be strong and intellectual women like Liz Cheney that will put them over the top and someone like her is likely to be at the top of the Republican ticket. Whoever emerges will be likely nominated by the wholesale switchover by Asians from Democrat to Republican, as they come to realize the American economic dream they want is not possible with the heavy weight of big government around their necks. The Black vote will still be majority Democrat, but the Republicans are going to make significant inroads even there as the economic issues peel off working black families from the welfare state expectations of the hard core Democrats.

Yeah, if I were a Democrat strategist I'd be plenty worried.

Holy crap I needed to quote this for posterity. Do you believe this stuff? I worry for you.

 

[nobodyknows]

Eh, it's not as if they are handing the country back to the Republicans, they might feel a little check and balance might be good. I'm not all the enthralled with the Dems in Congress though I seriously doubt the Republicans would be any better if history is any indication.

Unless the country really goes to hell by 2010 I don't see the voters "switching horses in the middle of the stream" as it were. 2012 will be a different story if things aren't better by then though.

 

[nobodyknows]

If you are THAT old you are either Methuselah or dead.

I'm a dead man walking.

 

[PJABBER]

I'm a dead man walking.

Aren't we all?