Democrats try wooing white men

[Moonbeam]

There is no left, let alone "far left" when it comes to US politics. Just the middle/right democrats(further to the right than the right wing of every other first world country) and then off the cliff republicans.

You mean to tell me Obama ain't the Bolshevik revolution? I must a had bees up my ass.

 

[Agent11]

Why are you posting here instead of working to start a constitutional convention? There is one party that may be amenable to a populist revolt and one that can't be affected by reason. Science has identified which those are.

There are actually those who seriously want a new constitutional convention.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I keep having to post this.

Hahahahah So this, so very this....

 

[DominionSeraph]

The election and reelection of obama prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are groups out there who are only concerned with self gratification.

Why do children of illegal immigrants vote democrat? Because people like obama dangle immigration reform in front of them.

Why do pro-abortion people vote democrat? Because they do not want to be held responsible for their sexual choices.

Why do pro-gay groups vote democrat? Because will help gays promote their immoral lifestyle.

Why do Hispanics vote Democrat? Because Republicans represent heterosexual White Christian male tribalism that is interested in realizing the heterosexual White male Christian perspective to the oppressive exclusion of all others.
Why do pro-abortion people vote Democrat? Because Republicans represent heterosexual White Christian male tribalism that is interested in realizing the heterosexual White male Christian perspective to the oppressive exclusion of all others.
Why do pro-gay groups vote Democrat? Because Republicans represent heterosexual White Christian male tribalism that is interested in realizing the heterosexual White male Christian perspective to the oppressive exclusion of all others.

 

[Texashiker]

heterosexual White male Christian perspective to the oppressive exclusion of all others.

heterosexual White male Christian perspective to the oppressive exclusion of all others.

heterosexual White male Christian perspective to the oppressive exclusion of all others.

Forcing people to take responsibility for their actions is somehow oppression?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

People who are turning away from the democrat party are working class families who honor core family values.

I came from a working class family that honored core family values, but according to people who use the phrase "core family values," it wasn't a "real" family because I didn't have heterosexual parents. The level of cognitive dissonance needed to espouse banning gay marriage as a protection of "family values" is so insane that it defies explanation.

 

[Exophase]

Forcing people to take responsibility for their actions is somehow oppression?

Thinking that disallowing gay people from marrying is forcing them to take responsibility for something is oppressive. And stupid.

 

[Texashiker]

I came from a working class family that honored core family values, but according to people who use the phrase "core family values," it wasn't a "real" family because I didn't have heterosexual parents. The level of cognitive dissonance needed to espouse banning gay marriage as a protection of "family values" is so insane that it defies explanation.

Thinking that disallowing gay people from marrying is forcing them to take responsibility for something is oppressive. And stupid.

It is a changing of the times, and some people do not like change.

You do know there public service announcements in the 1950s and 1960s that compared being gay to carrying a disease?

In the grand scheme of things society as a whole has come a long way.

 

[ElFenix]

Forcing people to take responsibility for their actions is somehow oppression?

so what's your stance on pollution?

 

[Texashiker]

so what's your stance on pollution?

Pollution = bad.

We have a responsibility to leave the land, air and water clean for future generations.

 

[Exophase]

It is a changing of the times, and some people do not like change.

Tough.

You do know there public service announcements in the 1950s and 1960s that compared being gay to carrying a disease?

In the grand scheme of things society as a whole has come a long way.

Why do you bring this up? To show that you're not as bad by merely outing gay people as immoral and criticizing states that let them marry?

 

[Texashiker]

Why do you bring this up?

Because I wanted to.

To show that you're not as bad

Bad as what?

Standing with people who choose any immoral lifestyle is one of the many reasons why I do not, can not and will not vote democrat.

 

[shadow9d9]

Because I wanted to.




Bad as what?

Standing with people who choose any immoral lifestyle is one of the many reasons why I do not, can not and will not vote democrat.

There is nothing immoral about loving another consenting adult based on how your genetics make you feel.

You are immoral, however, for being a bigot. Again, STOP OBSESSING WITH MALE ON MALE ANAL SEX!

 

[Anubis]

Because I wanted to.




Bad as what?

Standing with people who choose any immoral lifestyle is one of the many reasons why I do not, can not and will not vote democrat.

id argue that your definition of moral is wrong

 

[Texashiker]

There is nothing immoral about loving another consenting adult based on how your genetics make you feel.

There is no genetic proof being gay.

 

[Exophase]

Because I wanted to.

So often you go on about how you want to have legitimate discussion and here you can't even articulate some kind of point for bringing things up...

Bad as what?

Bad as those people in the 50s and 60s that compared being gay to having a disease, which you brought up mysteriously.

Standing with people who choose any immoral lifestyle is one of the many reasons why I do not, can not and will not vote democrat.

You shouldn't think that you're standing with a people just because you vote for the same party candidate that they vote for. Otherwise you should have a problem with voting alongside Log Cabin Republicans..

Your statement is crazy anyway, you probably stand by lots of people who choose to do things that you'd consider immoral if you had any kind of integrity in using that (still stupid) labeling.

 

[MrPickins]

id argue that your definition of moral is wrong

I'd say the immoral action here is the discrimination of people based on sexual orientation.


Not to mention the fact that it's not a choice...

 

[Exophase]

Not to mention the fact that it's not a choice...

The gay "lifestyle" he referred to is technically voluntary, but being celibate tends to be a big detriment to a person's life.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

There is no genetic proof being gay.

Even if you think this, it still doesn't explain opposition to gay marriage. How does the choice of two consenting adults negatively impact you? Owning a gun is a choice, but just because I choose not to own one doesn't mean I think nobody should be allowed to buy guns. Smoking cigarettes is a choice, but just because I choose not to smoke doesn't mean I think cigarettes should be banned. Marriage is a choice, but even if I live my entire life as a bachelor, that doesn't mean I think marriage should be banned. So even if sexuality is a choice, why do you want an activity that doesn't affect you to be stopped just because you personally don't partake? Freedom doesn't just mean "freedom to live as I dictate you should."

 

[Exophase]

Something doesn't have to be hereditary to be compulsory anyway. There's good evidence that forcing gay people to be straight, even gay people who want to be straight, doesn't work very well. This in particular is pretty damning: http://www.salon.com/2013/04/25/con..._issues_formal_apology_renounces_ex_gay_past/

There's far more in favor of it not being a choice than being one, it's completely inane to be on the side of it being a choice on the prospect of such a thing not being universally impossible.. but of course if that's what aligns with your personal tastes..

It's really pretty interesting how Texashiker has moved from pitiful attempts at attacking gay sex (and somehow gay marriage by proxy) to simply calling it immoral. Without any explanation as to why he thinks it's immoral. Along with his encouragement of lesbian sex for his own gratification, while simultaneously criticizing people for only caring about their own desires.

 

[zinfamous]

These threads tend to turn into discussions about penises.

Are we at penises, yet?

 

[Texashiker]

Are we at penises, yet?

Yep, every topic in the thread has been dropped except for the almighty penis.

How does the choice of two consenting adults negatively impact you?

Do you say the same thing about prostitution? What two consenting adults do is none of your business.

What about porn? Would you want a porn star teaching school?

 

[Moonbeam]

Even if you think this, it still doesn't explain opposition to gay marriage. How does the choice of two consenting adults negatively impact you? Owning a gun is a choice, but just because I choose not to own one doesn't mean I think nobody should be allowed to buy guns. Smoking cigarettes is a choice, but just because I choose not to smoke doesn't mean I think cigarettes should be banned. Marriage is a choice, but even if I live my entire life as a bachelor, that doesn't mean I think marriage should be banned. So even if sexuality is a choice, why do you want an activity that doesn't affect you to be stopped just because you personally don't partake? Freedom doesn't just mean "freedom to live as I dictate you should."

There is no logical cage from which a bigot can't wiggle.

Murdering people is a choice, so just because I don't murder people that means you get that choice? You have to understand that a bigot is always right. TH envisions himself as a good person. He believes in the good and nothing on earth can change that opinion because we all feel that the good really exists. What a bigot does is transfer his certain knowledge, correct knowledge, that the good exists and connects that with his opinion of what good is. The bigot can't see that good isn't the same thing as what he thinks the good actually is. He is certain of the good and attaches that certainty of the good to his personal bigoted idea of the what the good is. In this way he causes self blindness. He feels that because the good exists, what he feels about his personal good is also good. He can't see the false connection because he disguises it behind certainty that is real.

 

[zinfamous]

Do you say the same thing about prostitution? What two consenting adults do is none of your business.

exactly. see no problem with that, in general. If not exploitative.

What about porn? Would you want a porn star teaching school?

Are they a good teacher? Why should I care if that isn't anywhere near the classroom?

 

[ElFenix]

Pollution = bad.

We have a responsibility to leave the land, air and water clean for future generations.

So if polluters refuse to take responsibility for themselves, can we force them to be responsible?