Democrats try wooing white men

[OBLAMA2009]

It is more that the Republicans try to restrict access to the polls every way they can, and a majority of people vote for Democrats.

...or outright stealing elections

 

[Texashiker]

...or outright stealing elections

I would like to know how republicans are stealing elections and/or limiting access.

 

[z1ggy]

I would like to know how republicans are stealing elections and/or limiting access.

Koch bro's tried to manipulate small town elections in rural areas. Look it up.

 

[hal2kilo]

Tex. Your posts are much like a piñata, except after beating on it with sticks and bats, nothing ever good come out...

Lol!

 

[Agent11]

The notion that Democrats are out to grab guns is nothing but a pile of horseshit propaganda fostered by the NRA and the Republican party to herd paranoid psychotics to the poles and gun stores. The majority of Americans support sensible gun legislation and nothing more. Millions of Democrats shoot and love their guns. The problems with gun violence are not found in typical gun culture, but with inner city poverty and drug violence, where easy gun acquisition is a known issue. Republicans tend on the one hand to resist any and all gun legislation and vote against anything that would go to reducing poverty in inner cities which makes them dumb and dumber, brain defectives. Poor things, they don't like that kind of factual information.

Which is why Obama tried his damnedest to push through the most restrictive freedom hating legislation in every state as well as federally. I know what bills are introduced in my state.

The Obama would have been kind enough to allow me one 'assault rifle' if I agreed to allow a warrant less search of my home at any time to verify that I store it properly. NO THANKS!

 

[Texashiker]

The notion that Democrats are out to grab guns is nothing but a pile of horseshit propaganda fostered by the NRA and the Republican party

Explain new york, california, detriot, colorado and connecticut..

Koch bro's tried to manipulate small town elections in rural areas. Look it up.

I did some google searches but nothing saying stealing.

 

[z1ggy]

Explain new york, california and detriot.




I did some google searches but nothing saying stealing.

Look harder. They tried to manipulate voters with their money. They paid for false adds against the incumbents and tried defame the person they did not want to win.

But then again, I'm sure that's pretty common stuff amongst the political community. It's just that it was actually proven that they were legitimately attempting to manipulate and steal votes.

 

[fskimospy]

Your premise is flawed though in assuming that these gun control laws are effective. Study after study has concluded that they have no appreciable effect on gun violence.

Stupidity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. Gun control is 45 year old failed experiment.

This is not accurate. Lots of studies show statistically significant correlations between less gun control and more gun violence. The results are unsurprising: more guns means more gun violence.

The correlation between overall violence rates and gun ownership is considerably less clear, but the idea that gun control laws have no effect on gun violence is simply not supported by the evidence.

Also, wasn't there just a thread on a new gun control study that explicitly found that decreases in gun control led to an increase in murders?

http://www.jhsph.edu/news/news-rele...sociated-with-increase-in-states-murders.html

 

[piasabird]

Lets just say we see a lot of gun legislation from Democrats. I am basing this on people's actions. What people do when they are in office is more important than what they say when its time to be reelected. It is funny how every 2 years liberals become conservatives till they get reelected. It is a pity people are too stupid and believe the lies they tell. Some republicans like McCain are the same exact way. Most people in office don't care about anyone but themselves.

 

[fskimospy]

Lets just say we see a lot of gun legislation from Democrats. I am basing this on people's actions. What people do when they are in office is more important than what they say when its time to be reelected. It is funny how every 2 years liberals become conservatives till they get reelected. It is a pity people are too stupid and believe the lies they tell. Some republicans like McCain are the same exact way. Most people in office don't care about anyone but themselves.

They don't become conservatives to get re-elected. If nothing else it is usually the Republicans that moderate their conservatism. In poll after poll, Americans prefer liberal policies on the vast majority of issues. That's one of the interesting quirks about the American electorate that points to its fundamentally tribal nature: on paper Democrats should win almost every election overwhelmingly if people were voting strictly on party platform. They don't, though.

The idea that conservatives think that Americans actually agree with them on policy like that might be due to that sense of false consensus that study awhile ago identified.

 

[TerryMathews]

Also, wasn't there just a thread on a new gun control study that explicitly found that decreases in gun control led to an increase in murders?

http://www.jhsph.edu/news/news-rele...sociated-with-increase-in-states-murders.html

You mean the study no one can read yet right?

Glad to see you're playing your part as well this morning.

 

[piasabird]

The key is democrats are losing all the people in their base with traditional American values. Some people really do care about the family. If all your agenda goes against the American family and traditional American values, then are you working for the downfall of America or just another communist or socialist? The funny thing is the only McCarthyism I see is from Democrats.

 

[fskimospy]

You mean the study no one can read yet right?

Glad to see you're playing your part as well this morning.

Huh? You said something that's pretty clearly false, that gun control is not associated with less gun violence. You might have meant it is not necessarily correlated with less overall violence (the jury is out on that), but the evidence strongly supports that it means less gun violence.

Is my part that of "guy who tells you what you wrote is clearly, provably false"?

 

[Agent11]

They don't become conservatives to get re-elected. If nothing else it is usually the Republicans that moderate their conservatism. In poll after poll, Americans prefer liberal policies on the vast majority of issues. That's one of the interesting quirks about the American electorate that points to its fundamentally tribal nature: on paper Democrats should win almost every election overwhelmingly if people were voting strictly on party platform. They don't, though.

The idea that conservatives think that Americans actually agree with them on policy like that might be due to that sense of false consensus that study awhile ago identified.

What does it say about Democrats that they consistently champion policy that makes us vote for a party that we don't like very much?

 

[Texashiker]

Also, wasn't there just a thread on a new gun control study that explicitly found that decreases in gun control led to an increase in murders?

http://www.jhsph.edu/news/news-rele...sociated-with-increase-in-states-murders.html

Not surprised you linked to a gun control article that has the name "bloomberg" on the page.

The thread you are probably referring to is the Harvard gun study,

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2344296

 

[TerryMathews]

Huh? You said something that's pretty clearly false, that gun control is not associated with less gun violence. You might have meant it is not necessarily correlated with less overall violence (the jury is out on that), but the evidence strongly supports that it means less gun violence.

Is my part that of "guy who tells you what you wrote is clearly, provably false"?

No, your part would be Chris Matthews: regurgitates DNC talking points.

Back to your study, its interesting. I can't wait to read it, to see whether its actually a good study or if the numbers aren't what he represented.

Im going to close my post with the largest piece of gun control legislation since 1986, the AWB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJH3L7ev3RY

Koper, Jan. 14: What we found in these studies was that the ban had mixed effects in reducing crimes with the banned weaponry due to various exemptions that were written into the law. And as a result, the ban did not appear to effect gun violence during the time it was in effect. But there is some evidence to suggest that it may have modestly reduced shootings had it been in effect for a longer period.

Now tell me again how my statement that gun control is effective is "pretty clearly false"?

 

[fskimospy]

What does it say about Democrats that they consistently champion policy that makes us vote for a party that we don't like very much?

You misunderstood my post. Their policies are generally overwhelmingly popular. People vote based on cultural and tribal affiliations much more than actual policies.

What I was saying was that the vote share tends to be about 50/50 despite a clear preference by the American public for the Democratic Party's policy platform.

 

[Texashiker]

Their policies are generally overwhelmingly popular.

I have to disagree that democrat policies are generally overwhelmingly popular.

Republicans represent core family values between than democrats.

One of the only reasons why low income families vote democrat is for welfare.

Democrats appeal to four main groups - welfare, abortions, gun control and gays.

None of which represent mainstream America.

 

[fskimospy]

No, your part would be Chris Matthews: regurgitates DNC talking points.

Ah yes. When you can't argue the points, attempt to impugn someone's integrity. Grow up.

Back to your study, its interesting. I can't wait to read it, to see whether its actually a good study or if the numbers aren't what he represented.

Im going to close my post with the largest piece of gun control legislation since 1986, the AWB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJH3L7ev3RY

Now tell me again how my statement that gun control is effective is "pretty clearly false"?

Ah, so you looked at one study looking at one piece of legislation, and the conclusion was that the legislation was not effective because it contained loopholes, not that gun control legislation could not be effective. Well I guess that means that your statement that all gun control doesn't work!

Are you even reading the things you quote?

Now to close my post here are two studies about the relationship between firearm ownership and gun homicide:

http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301409

http://www.nber.org/papers/w7967

Unless you are attempting to argue that gun control literally is literally entirely incapable of ever reducing the number of guns owned by individuals (and I sincerely hope you don't try that ridiculous line), then gun control leads to fewer gun homicides. So seriously, just stop.

If you want to argue against gun control I would suggest pointing to its inconsistent relationship with reducing crime or overall violence. Much better than saying things that are, once again, pretty obviously false.

 

[fskimospy]

I have to disagree that democrat policies are generally overwhelmingly popular.

Republicans represent core family values between than democrats.

One of the only reasons why low income families vote democrat is for welfare.

Democrats appeal to four main groups - welfare, abortions, gun control and gays.

None of which represent mainstream America.

Well your complaint is with the polls, not with me.

 

[TerryMathews]

Ah yes. When you can't argue the points, attempt to impugn someone's integrity. Grow up.



Ah, so you looked at one study looking at one piece of legislation, and the conclusion was that the legislation was not effective because it contained loopholes, not that gun control legislation could not be effective. Well I guess that means that your statement that all gun control doesn't work!

Are you even reading the things you quote?

Now to close my post here are two studies about the relationship between firearm ownership and gun homicide:

http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301409

http://www.nber.org/papers/w7967

Unless you are attempting to argue that gun control literally is literally entirely incapable of ever reducing the number of guns owned by individuals (and I sincerely hope you don't try that ridiculous line), then gun control leads to fewer gun homicides. So seriously, just stop.

If you want to argue against gun control I would suggest pointing to its inconsistent relationship with reducing crime or overall violence. Much better than saying things that are, once again, pretty obviously false.

Your argument, Chris, assumes that total population of guns is in and of itself a driver of gun violence which is a laughable conclusion.

That would be like saying that we are likely to have more DUIs this year because Chevy sold more cars. That may be true but you would have to look into why they sold more cars.

Larger population of new 21+ drivers? Sure, the conclusion makes sense. Lots of people buying second cars? Would have no effect on DUI rates. By the same token, raw gun sales by themselves do NOT drive gun violence.

If you really wanted to curb gun violence, given recidivism rates, we should be spot checking convicted felons especially those with weapons crimes in the past.

That would be an effective law.

 

[thraashman]

What does it say about Democrats that they consistently champion policy that makes us vote for a party that we don't like very much?

It says a lot of people are stupid and a lot of people don't get off their ass and vote. And then you have some 1 issue voters. People who may agree with 99% of the policies of one party, but mostly care about 1 policy that this party doesn't share with them. My parents are a perfect example. They are very socially liberal yet I think between them they've voted Democrat once in their lives.

 

[Agent11]

For me it is weighed issues. 2nd amendment trumps fuzzy feelings, sorry. I grew up working class, so why I should be happy about amnesty for illegals is going to be a hard sell as well.

What should trump or outweigh this from the democrat platform that they haven't already implemented? Hillary care?

 

[CitizenKain]

I have to disagree that democrat policies are generally overwhelmingly popular.

Republicans represent core family values between than democrats.

One of the only reasons why low income families vote democrat is for welfare.

Democrats appeal to four main groups - welfare, abortions, gun control and gays.

None of which represent mainstream America.

Republicans appeal to idiots, fasicts, racists and the incredibly wealthy. If you are the last, they still hate you, but you are a useful idiot because you'll run around parroting what they tell you.

 

[TerryMathews]

Republicans appeal to idiots, fasicts, racists and the incredibly wealthy. If you are the last, they still hate you, but you are a useful idiot because you'll run around parroting what they tell you.

And you all wonder why we call you intolerant.