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Democrats positioned to widen majority in Senate

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200...usa_politics_senate_dc

Democrats are positioned to bolster their Senate majority in next year's elections, which would give them more clout regardless who succeeds President George W. Bush in the White House.

With Republicans dogged by retirements, scandals and the Iraq war, there's an outside chance Democrats will gain as many as nine seats in the 100-member Senate in the November 2008 elections, which would give them a pivotal 60.

That is the number of votes needed to clear Republican procedural roadblocks, which have been used to thwart the Democrats' efforts to force a change in Bush's policy on the Iraq war, particularly plans to withdraw U.S. troops.

The last time Democrats had an overriding majority in the Senate was in the 1977-1979 congressional session, when they held 61 seats.

"Sixty is not outside the realm of possibility," said Jennifer Duffy, who tracks Senate races for the nonpartisan Cook Political Report.

"But for that to happen, everything would have to break their way," she said. "Right now, it's way too early to say."

With the elections a year away, many Republicans are distancing themselves from Bush, whose approval rating was around 33 percent in recent polls. But they remain largely tied to his unpopular stance on the Iraq war, now in its fifth year.

Many are concerned about their future and Senate Democrats have raised more in campaign contributions than Republicans.

"We're going to lose seats," predicted a senior Senate Republican aide. "The political climate is not good for us."

Republicans now hold 22 of the 34 Senate seats up for re-election next year, while Democrats have 12. The Democrats all intend to seek re-election, and most are seen as shoo-ins.

Five Republican incumbents have already announced they will not seek another six-year term in 2008.

For sharply different reasons, Sens. Pete Domenici of New Mexico and Larry Craig of Idaho last week followed fellow Republicans John Warner of Virginia, Chuck Hagel of Nebraska and Wayne Allard of Colorado, in announcing they would not to seek re-election.

Domenici, 75, cited declining health, while Craig, 62, pointed to his disputed conviction in a undercover sex-sting in an airport men's room.

The Craig conviction has embarrassed Republicans, who portray themselves as the party of "conservative family values." The party also has been shaken by an expanding political corruption investigation in Alaska that has touched Sen. Ted Stevens, the longest serving Republican senator ever.

Stevens, who first joined the Senate in 1968, has denied any wrongdoing. But the probe has suddenly helped make the 83-year-old Alaskan vulnerable in the 2008 elections.

The Iraq war helped Democrats win control of Congress last year. It may also enable them to widen their majorities next year in the House of Representatives as well as the Senate.




Hehe. I guess its ok to let the right wing wackos know the truth now. What they thought was a "perpetual Republican majority" was actually the result of three things.
The Republican congressional victories in 2002 and 2004 were due to the tax cuts. It took til 2006 for people to see how reckless they were.
The second reason was the masterful use of the large amounts of info that is now known about Americans. Where the Democrats might target a building the Republicans knew who in the building to target. However, by 2006 the Dems had began to catch up in the use of the new technology. And by 2008 it will be an even matchup again.
The third thing was the massive amounts of campaign financing the Republicans had after giveing away the country to the rich and the corporations. With corporate America smelling a Democratic landslide, again, the Dems now have more money.

 
Even Democrats don't make 60, hopefully the election sends a loud and clear message that obstructing the will of the American people, as the Republicans have been doing this year, is not a good political career move.
 
Originally posted by: senseamp
Even Democrats don't make 60, hopefully the election sends a loud and clear message that obstructing the will of the American people, as the Republicans have been doing this year, is not a good political career move.

In 2006, despite less money, and despite a less effective campaign than the Republicans, the Dems hit just about the very upper limit they could.
I think it will happen again.

 
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: senseamp
Even Democrats don't make 60, hopefully the election sends a loud and clear message that obstructing the will of the American people, as the Republicans have been doing this year, is not a good political career move.

In 2006, despite less money, and despite a less effective campaign than the Republicans, the Dems hit just about the very upper limit they could.
I think it will happen again.

I think so too. If Republicans continue to keep our troops hostage in Iraq while denying health coverage to kids, they'll be lucky if they can still filibuster in 2008.
 
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: senseamp
Even Democrats don't make 60, hopefully the election sends a loud and clear message that obstructing the will of the American people, as the Republicans have been doing this year, is not a good political career move.

In 2006, despite less money, and despite a less effective campaign than the Republicans, the Dems hit just about the very upper limit they could.
I think it will happen again.

I think so too. If Republicans continue to keep our troops hostage in Iraq while denying health coverage to kids, they'll be lucky if they can still filibuster in 2008.

And most people forget the tax cuts are expiring. The Dems wil enact their own tax cut, for everyone except the top 2 percent and use the increase on the rich to actually REDUCE the deficit. Lets see what happens with that. Will the Republicans filibuster a tax cut for a huge majority of Americans? Or will Bush veto a huge tax cut for a huge majority of Americans.
And the Dems will try to raise the level at which the estate tax kicks in. The Republicans will be forced to go along. Another tax cut given by the Dems. Or another instance of the Repblicans stopping a tax cut because it doesn't overwhelmingly help the rich.
Yes, everyones forgetting what you can do with majorities in House and Senate to give you a big boost at election time. The Republicans did it. Now its the Dems turn.
I'm smelling 61* (the asterisk is for Joe Lieberman)


 
Democrat will enact a tax cut? :laugh:

As is par for the course every Democrat running for President is proposing billions of dollars worth of new spending to fight every perceived problem in this country.

When is the last time a Democrat President and Congress actually passed a real meaningful tax cut?
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Democrat will enact a tax cut? :laugh:

As is par for the course every Democrat running for President is proposing billions of dollars worth of new spending to fight every perceived problem in this country.

When is the last time a Democrat President and Congress actually passed a real meaningful tax cut?

The Democrats have passed literally dozens and dozens of tax cuts in the last 100 years. Just never one so reckless or weighted toward the rich that the Republicans did.

Man, if you are any indication of Republican thinking, the Democrats may get to 70*
 
Techs... name a major tax cut be a Democrat President and Democrat Congress...
Provide me with the date and figures...
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Democrat will enact a tax cut? :laugh:

As is par for the course every Democrat running for President is proposing billions of dollars worth of new spending to fight every perceived problem in this country.

When is the last time a Democrat President and Congress actually passed a real meaningful tax cut?

Yeah, he's on a roll today. He keeps forgetting to pass the herb.

There is no way a democrat President and Congress witll pass a tax-cut. They will RAISE taxes by not extending/making perminent Bush's tax-cuts for everyong.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Techs... name a major tax cut be a Democrat President and Democrat Congress...
Provide me with the date and figures...

You are either so COMPLETELY bamboozled by your neo-con masters or have NEVER picked up a book in your life.
You might as we have said the Yankees never won the world series.
You need serious education.
 
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Techs... name a major tax cut be a Democrat President and Democrat Congress...
Provide me with the date and figures...
You are either so COMPLETELY bamboozled by your neo-con masters or have NEVER picked up a book in your life.
You might as we have said the Yankees never won the world series.
You need serious education.
Personal attack as opposed to an answer to a simple question?

Since you are so brilliant why don?t you educate me about Democratic tax cuts?
 
I'd imagine that the democrats will let the tax cuts for the upper bracket expire, reenact the cuts that affect the middle-class, and claim to have passed a tax cut.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Techs... name a major tax cut be a Democrat President and Democrat Congress...
Provide me with the date and figures...
You are either so COMPLETELY bamboozled by your neo-con masters or have NEVER picked up a book in your life.
You might as we have said the Yankees never won the world series.
You need serious education.
Personal attack as opposed to an answer to a simple question?

Since you are so brilliant why don?t you educate me about Democratic tax cuts?
HAHAHAHAH.
I'm going to keep this bumped.

PROF JOHN CLAIMS THE DEMOCRATS NEVER ENACTED A TAX CUT.

I GUESS HE NEVER HEARD OF WOODROW WILSON, FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVLET, JOHN F. KENNEDY, LYNDON JOHNSON, JIMMY CARTER, AND YES, BILL CLINTON.

 
Originally posted by: techs
And most people forget the tax cuts are expiring. The Dems will enact their own tax cut, for everyone except the top 2 percent and use the increase on the rich to actually REDUCE the deficit.

Up to now you may have a point.
I do not see the Dems trying to shoot for any type of balanced budget and implimenting tax cuts.

The amount of cuts on the very wealthy is not going to bring in the revenue.
When did the Dems ever impliment a tax cut unless it is for wealth or social distribution.
Never to reduce the deficit.

If the Dems take the WH:
Take out the cost of the Iraqi conflict and you will see the Dems budget increase for social and wasteful spending; not generating tax relief for the middle class.



Originally posted by: senseamp
I think so too. If Republicans continue to keep our troops hostage in Iraq while denying health coverage to kids, they'll be lucky if they can still filibuster in 2008.

Seperate the Administration from the Republicans.



Originally posted by: techs
Hehe. I guess its ok to let the right wing wackos know the truth now. What they thought was a "perpetual Republican majority" was actually the result of three things.
The Republican congressional victories in 2002 and 2004 were due to the tax cuts. It took til 2006 for people to see how reckless they were.

The tax cuts were needed to pull the country out of the recession caused by the DOT Com bubble popping. It was the handling of 9/11 w/ respect to Iraq, not the economy that effected 2006.





 
Originally posted by: loki8481
I'd imagine that the democrats will let the tax cuts for the upper bracket expire, reenact the cuts that affect the middle-class, and claim to have passed a tax cut.

Uh, claim its a tax cut? LET the tax cuts expire? The tax cuts ARE expiring. And if you cut taxes its a tax cut.

Oh and by the way:

PROF JOHN CLAIMS THE DEMOCRATS NEVER ENACTED A TAX CUT.

I GUESS HE NEVER HEARD OF WOODROW WILSON, FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVLET, JOHN F. KENNEDY, LYNDON JOHNSON, JIMMY CARTER, AND YES, BILL CLINTON.

Oh yeah. Since the Medicare drug plan has a huge deficit coming that will have to be made up with tax increases, the Republicans actually enacted the largest tax increase in history.

 
Originally posted by: loki8481
I'd imagine that the democrats will let the tax cuts for the upper bracket expire, reenact the cuts that affect the middle-class, and claim to have passed a tax cut.

I certainly hope you are correct that they cut taxes back down after they raise them, but at this point I don't see it happening. And even if it did, it wouldn't be a "tax cut" it would be keeping them at the rate we have right now - IF they kept the same tax rates as Bush's cuts.
 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: senseamp
I think so too. If Republicans continue to keep our troops hostage in Iraq while denying health coverage to kids, they'll be lucky if they can still filibuster in 2008.

Seperate the Administration from the Republicans.

Not if they continue sustaining his vetoes.
 
55-56 Senate seats if things go really, really well.

To get in the high fifties or even 60 seats would require total Con implosion. After all that has gone on there seems to be little interest within their own party for the Republicans to clean their own house - primarily because of their on-going jack-booted lockstep sheeple. Why hasn't Ted Stevens gone to jail?

It's too bad they have become the party of fundie wannabees. The giant whooshing sound you hear during the primaries are the candidates sucking up to the religiuos right.

They'll swerve back to the middle for the general election. I bet it gets really ugly by 9/2008 with unrelenting 'swift-boating'.

Thirteen months is a long time. Bathroom Larry hasn't got a clue and will drag the Cons down until he gets the boot. Too bad Iowa is a safe red state.

The Big Play next spring will be the withdrawal of 30-40k troops from Irak. The Cons will play this as a demonstration of success - even though the 'informed' have been predicting the draw-down for over a year because of our inability to maintain troop strength in Iraq at the level of the last few years. The Great Republican Spin Machine in action.

I wish Richardson would quit the prez and run for the Senate. Could be a good pickup there.
 
there's no way in hell Alaska is voting Ted Stevens out of office, though.

they're far too entrenched in this "us vs them" attitude.
 
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Democrat will enact a tax cut? :laugh:

As is par for the course every Democrat running for President is proposing billions of dollars worth of new spending to fight every perceived problem in this country.

When is the last time a Democrat President and Congress actually passed a real meaningful tax cut?

The Democrats have passed literally dozens and dozens of tax cuts in the last 100 years. Just never one so reckless or weighted toward the rich that the Republicans did.

Man, if you are any indication of Republican thinking, the Democrats may get to 70*

Indeed. Should be a landslide if they think they can keep going with the same bullshit people have thankfully woken up to and smelled for what it is.
 
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: loki8481
I'd imagine that the democrats will let the tax cuts for the upper bracket expire, reenact the cuts that affect the middle-class, and claim to have passed a tax cut.

Uh, claim its a tax cut? LET the tax cuts expire? The tax cuts ARE expiring. And if you cut taxes its a tax cut.

Oh and by the way:

PROF JOHN CLAIMS THE DEMOCRATS NEVER ENACTED A TAX CUT.

I GUESS HE NEVER HEARD OF WOODROW WILSON, FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVLET, JOHN F. KENNEDY, LYNDON JOHNSON, JIMMY CARTER, AND YES, BILL CLINTON.

Oh yeah. Since the Medicare drug plan has a huge deficit coming that will have to be made up with tax increases, the Republicans actually enacted the largest tax increase in history.
Techs, you are an idiot.

When did I claim that Democrats NEVER enacted a tax cut?

And this Bill Clinton tax cut does not count because it was a Republican congress. When Clinton had a Democratic congress he passed the largest tax increase in history.

As for this Carter tax cut? can you help me find it, because all I see is an increase in the payroll tax.

So that takes us back to Kennedy and Johnson to find the last time a Democratic President and congress passed a tax cut? 40 years ago? nice track record.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
So that takes us back to Kennedy and Johnson to find the last time a Democratic President and congress passed a tax cut? 40 years ago? nice track record.

you realize that the only democratic president between johnson and clinton was carter, right? 😕

so by "40 year track record," what you're saying is "omg, carter didn't pass a tax break!?!"?
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
And this Bill Clinton tax cut does not count because it was a Republican congress. When Clinton had a Democratic congress he passed the largest tax increase in history.

QFT. Of course, the lefties are pretty busy trying to rewrite history these days. Perhaps they'll alter this one as well...
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn


And this Bill Clinton tax cut does not count because it was a Republican congress. When Clinton had a Democratic congress he passed the largest tax increase in history.

LOL...I'll throw in the ole not in inflation adjusted dollars and not when compared to GDP stuff that I see thrown around here so very often, especially when it comes to deficits/debt. :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
So that takes us back to Kennedy and Johnson to find the last time a Democratic President and congress passed a tax cut? 40 years ago? nice track record.

you realize that the only democratic president between johnson and clinton was carter, right? 😕

so by "40 year track record," what you're saying is "omg, carter didn't pass a tax break!?!"?
Ok... show me a Democrat President who called for a tax cut on his own.

Or show me a Democrat congress that passed a tax cut that the President didn't call for.
Major tax cuts or raises in the past 25 years (if I miss any please let me know)

1982ish Reagan tax cut

Reagan also had a tax increase later in his term, don?t have the exact date.

Bush 41 campaigned on not raising taxes, but then worked with Democrats to raise taxes.

1993 Clinton, despite campaigning on cutting middle class taxes, passed a retroactive tax increase. Not one Republican voted for it.

1997 Clinton: Taxpayer Relief act cut capital gains taxes, not one Republican voted against it.

2001 Bush tax cut: Only one Republican voted against it. 153 Democrats in the house and 32 in the Senate voted against it.

2003 Bush tax cut: Again, almost every Republican voted for it, and every Democrat voted against it.

The evidence is right there; Democrats have not supported or passed a major tax cut in at least 40 years. If you think I am wrong them show me a major tax cut proposed and passed by the Democrats.
 
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