Democrats need a twang

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Nation & World
By Gloria Borger
Democrats need a twang

So I'm driving to work the other day in Washington (D.C.--very blue), listening to my favorite country music singer, Martina McBride (Tennessee--very red), and suddenly I'm thinking about the election. About Martina the Mom singing "Blessed" about her children; about the Lonestar ballad "My Front Porch Looking In" honoring family; about Toby Keith's "American Soldier." (Oh, and I don't want to die for you / But if dyin's asked of me / I'll bear that cross with an honor, / 'Cause freedom don't come free.)

What does this have to do with the election? Maybe nothing but possibly everything. As journalists and academics and politicians dissect the importance of the so-called values vote, one thing is clear: The Democrats need a little more country in their voice. And this isn't about the red state/blue state divide, which is overrated anyway. It's about authenticity and family and national pride. Everybody shares those values; the Democrats just haven't spent enough time singing about them lately.

Not so far apart. In truth, there isn't a huge values chasm. Consider the much-ballyhooed gay marriage divide. The red-staters aren't homophobes, and the blue-state folks aren't promoting homosexuality. Take it straight from the exit polls: Only 25 percent of voters support gay marriage, with 35 percent for civil unions. Besides, both candidates supported civil rights for gay couples, and neither supported gay marriage. True, George W. Bush supported a constitutional amendment banning it, and John Kerry did not. But then again, Vice President Dick Cheney agreed with Kerry.

Here's the problem: It's become difficult for a Democrat to talk about morality and religion these days. Crazy but true. Why? "It's somehow seen as code for restrictions on personal liberties that the secular wing of the party doesn't want to see," says pollster Andrew Kohut. That's really too bad, because without this conversation the Democrats can't overcome their own bad PR created by the likes of Michael Moore and Whoopi Goldberg. Remember Whoopi's rant last summer at a New York Kerry fundraiser? She thought it was funny to make a sexual pun about the president's surname. Actress Meryl Streep asked "which of the megaton bombs Jesus, our president's personal savior, would have personally dropped on the sleeping families of Baghdad." Then Kerry told the crowd that "every single performer" had "conveyed to you the heart and soul of our country."

Not my country. Time to wake up: When did the party of the little guy, the middle class, and working moms become the party of the intelligentsia, of Hollywood moguls, of left-wing billionaires? "Mr. and Mrs. Middle America said those aren't my values," says one top GOP presidential adviser. And don't pin it on the far right or evangelicals. As presidential adviser Karl Rove says, "This is a broader and more subtle issue" than it first appears. While one fifth of voters cited "moral values" as key to their ballots, there's no way to compare it with 2000 since that question wasn't offered then. So who are these people? Maybe they're us. Democrats and Republicans.

They're not the folks arguing every night on cable TV or the authors of the polemics that (sadly) top the nation's bestseller lists. The mass media may be polarized, but the nation is not. At a post-election Democratic therapy session last week, former Bill Clinton adviser Doug Sosnik offered this sage advice: "The leadership of our party has a cultural disconnect. . . . I don't know how many politicians in town that are leaders of our party voluntarily go to Applebee's . . . . You look at the swing voters out there, what their sporting events are, the music they listen to, the celebrities, the television programs, it's just not what the East Coast leadership [watches] . . . we've got to be more like them." At least don't look down on them.

Or buy a country music CD. Like Tim McGraw's new hit "Live Like You Were Dying," in which he sings, I finally read the Good Book / And I took a good long hard look / At what I'd do if I could do it all again. Democrats, sing along. No lip-syncing allowed.

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Red Dawn

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Maybe if they were raised on Paint Chips and the 700 Club they'd have developed that speech impediment or twang
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Maybe if they were raised on Paint Chips and the 700 Club they'd have developed that speech impediment or twang

That's a good example of the kind of attitude that's killing the Democratic party. I don't see how the democrats can capture values voters so long as the religio-phobe fringe dominates the party.
 

judasmachine

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Rip, I'm afraid you don't know who or what the left are......

I fear if you knew you'd hate us more.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Maybe if they were raised on Paint Chips and the 700 Club they'd have developed that speech impediment or twang

That's a good example of the kind of attitude that's killing the Democratic party. I don't see how the democrats can capture values voters so long as the religio-phobe fringe dominates the party.

yeah, but red isnt a democrat as far as I know
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Maybe if they were raised on Paint Chips and the 700 Club they'd have developed that speech impediment or twang

That's a good example of the kind of attitude that's killing the Democratic party. I don't see how the democrats can capture values voters so long as the religio-phobe fringe dominates the party.

yeah, but red isnt a democrat as far as I know

Maybe not but he appears to share many of their views.
 

XMan

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Maybe if they were raised on Paint Chips and the 700 Club they'd have developed that speech impediment or twang

As opposed to snorting smog on the Left Coast?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Maybe if they were raised on Paint Chips and the 700 Club they'd have developed that speech impediment or twang

That's a good example of the kind of attitude that's killing the Democratic party. I don't see how the democrats can capture values voters so long as the religio-phobe fringe dominates the party.
Value voters cam lick my ass. All they did was prevent the Dub from enduring a humiliating loss at the hands of a Liberal. The fact that Kerry got a solid 48% of the vote even though we are at war shows that a hell of a lot of Americans are dissatisfied with him.

I sure didn't hear you Jesus Freaks crying about the demise of the Republican Party when Clinton Annihilated Bob Dole.
 

judasmachine

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Naturally, I cannot speak for all the left, but I have met droves that agree with me.

A very large number of us are alot of what the right fears, we are socialists, we are tribalists, we are anarchists, we are the poor droves, we are the ones watching, and waiting. Those I speak of would tear down your strip malls, melt your Hummers. And alot of us never buy from corporations, don't eat meat, and will fight to change this entire system. We may not look like yesterdays failed hippies and we may be sitting in the cubicle next to you, but our dreams are bigger than you can imagine.

But remember, we may sound like uncompromising radicals, but if you sit down with us you will find we are willing to talk. :)
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
Naturally, I cannot speak for all the left, but I have met droves that agree with me.

A very large number of us are alot of what the right fears, we are socialists, we are tribalists, we are anarchists, we are the poor droves, we are the ones watching, and waiting. Those I speak of would tear down your strip malls, melt your Hummers. And alot of us never buy from corporations, don't eat meat, and will fight to the bloody death until this entire system is no more.

But remember, we may sound like uncompromising radicals, but if you sit down with us you will find we are willing to talk. :)
You guys are as Whacky as Rip and his legion of Fund A Mental Case Drones.
 

judasmachine

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Naturally, I cannot speak for all the left, but I have met droves that agree with me.

A very large number of us are alot of what the right fears, we are socialists, we are tribalists, we are anarchists, we are the poor droves, we are the ones watching, and waiting. Those I speak of would tear down your strip malls, melt your Hummers. And alot of us never buy from corporations, don't eat meat, and will fight to the bloody death until this entire system is no more.

But remember, we may sound like uncompromising radicals, but if you sit down with us you will find we are willing to talk. :)
You guys are as Whacky as Rip and his legion of Fund A Mental Case Drones.


Never said we weren't. It's deeper than it sounds.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Naturally, I cannot speak for all the left, but I have met droves that agree with me.

A very large number of us are alot of what the right fears, we are socialists, we are tribalists, we are anarchists, we are the poor droves, we are the ones watching, and waiting. Those I speak of would tear down your strip malls, melt your Hummers. And alot of us never buy from corporations, don't eat meat, and will fight to the bloody death until this entire system is no more.

But remember, we may sound like uncompromising radicals, but if you sit down with us you will find we are willing to talk. :)
You guys are as Whacky as Rip and his legion of Fund A Mental Case Drones.

see, red is not a democrat :D
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Naturally, I cannot speak for all the left, but I have met droves that agree with me.

A very large number of us are alot of what the right fears, we are socialists, we are tribalists, we are anarchists, we are the poor droves, we are the ones watching, and waiting. Those I speak of would tear down your strip malls, melt your Hummers. And alot of us never buy from corporations, don't eat meat, and will fight to the bloody death until this entire system is no more.

But remember, we may sound like uncompromising radicals, but if you sit down with us you will find we are willing to talk. :)
You guys are as Whacky as Rip and his legion of Fund A Mental Case Drones.


Never said we weren't. It's deeper than it sounds.
And far fewer in number than you'd have everyone believe.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Maybe if they were raised on Paint Chips and the 700 Club they'd have developed that speech impediment or twang

That's a good example of the kind of attitude that's killing the Democratic party. I don't see how the democrats can capture values voters so long as the religio-phobe fringe dominates the party.
Value voters cam lick my ass. All they did was prevent the Dub from enduring a humiliating loss at the hands of a Liberal. The fact that Kerry got a solid 48% of the vote even though we are at war shows that a hell of a lot of Americans are dissatisfied with him.

I sure didn't hear you Jesus Freaks crying about the demise of the Republican Party when Clinton Annihilated Bob Dole.

Why would the "Jesus Freaks" cry about the demise of the Republican Party when the Republicans contolled the Congress? Under Clinton's watch, the Democrates lost control of both houses of Congress for the first time in 40 years.

Clinton was successful largely because he co-opted Republican initiatives.
 

Thump553

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Nonsense-ever hear Steve Earle? He's got far more of a twang, and is much more a legitamite musician, than those phony hat acts/singing models that you see featured on CMT.

The Democrats long term problem is that the so-called Dixiecrats have finally gotten over the Civil War and determined that the GOP is not Lincoln's party anymore but is their natural party. They are not coming back.

Education, and effective countering of the GOP's slander campaign (big taxes, evil liberals) will save the Democrats. Unfortunately, just enough American voters were fooled this time to re-elect a party that is doing its best to drive America into bankruptcy while destroying the middle class. I have faith that the American electorate will eventually return us to sensible government. Now is not the time for the Democrats to model themselves after the GOP.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Riprorin

Why would the "Jesus Freaks" cry about the demise of the Republican Party
Because your boy was stomped by Clinton unlike Kerry who was barely beaten


Clinton was successful largely because he co-opted Republican initiatives.
Like Prayer in the Oval office? Wait she wasn't on her knees praying was she!

 

biostud

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Country music turns me into a serial killer ;) (except for Johnny Cash)

As far as I've seen it comes down to if the glass is half full (rep) or half empty (dem), or the glass is dirty I want a new (Nader).
 

GrGr

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Democrats simply needs to get better at brainwashing. No use talking rationally and logically to beings who functions primarily at the lizard brain level. All the democrats have to do is to simply copy the Republican propaganda machine and start their own programming of the electorate and simply do it better than the Republicans. Then the Democrats will have both the rational part of the electorate and a sufficiently large part of red state knucklewalkers to win handily.
 

nageov3t

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I really hate these YAWWWTDP threads...

but IMO, the problem was not with the message or the messanger, but rather, the problem was with how the message was delivered (ie: not well).
 

OneOfTheseDays

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The Republicans were absolutely masterful in their execution and attack on Kerry. Democrats should take a page from their book in the next election. The Republicans managed to turn this into a if you love freedom and democracy vote for us, and if you love Sadaam and want more terrorism vote for Kerry. Most people just weren't well informed I think, and Bush's message simply connected better.
 

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don't give up on the dems Anne. hilliary will run in 2008.and you will have a clear choice between a conservative and a real hollywood type liberal, not a fake one like kerry
 

kage69

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For those who are postulating on party hijackings, I find it hilarious that the pugs haven't noticed the hijacking of their own party.