Democrats (liberals) really the spend party? Republicans really "conservatives"?

[Engineer]

Interesting.....click me!

Actually, they both are...but you get my drift.

 

[b0mbrman]

I thought the stereotype was tax and spend?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I thought the stereotype was tax and spend?

And Republicans never *cough* Ronald Reagan - largest tax increase in history*cough* raise taxes?

or "Read my lips..no new taxes!"

?

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I thought the stereotype was tax and spend?

And Republicans never *cough* Ronald Reagan - largest tax increase in history*cough* raise taxes?

or "Read my lips..no new taxes!"

?

I never said that...just that saying Dems are just a spend party is incomplete. They spend but do it responsibly by taxing to cover the difference

 

[Train]

except that graph isnt spending, its deficit.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Engineer
Interesting.....click me!

Actually, they both are...but you get my drift.

Index those numbers to inflation, or compare them to the size of gdp(our ability to pay) and you get a much different picture.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I thought the stereotype was tax and spend?

And Republicans never *cough* Ronald Reagan - largest tax increase in history*cough* raise taxes?

or "Read my lips..no new taxes!"

?

I never said that...just that saying Dems are just a spend party is incomplete. They spend but do it responsibly by taxing to cover the difference

Sorry, thought that you were slamming by inferring that they raise taxes outrageously vs Republicans. My apology.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Train
except that graph isnt spending, its deficit.

Spending causes deficit.

 

[daveshel]

Excellent graph. This illustrates the point I have been making over and over about how this is not your father's republican party. The stereotype was born in the 60s, in which there was a lot more spending than in the 50s.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer
Interesting.....click me!

Actually, they both are...but you get my drift.

Index those numbers to inflation, or compare them to the size of gdp(our ability to pay) and you get a much different picture.

Current total debt = 67% of this years GDP. Has increased by 12.72% the last 3 years.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Train
except that graph isnt spending, its deficit.

overSpending causes deficit.

fixed.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Train
except that graph isnt spending, its deficit.

overSpending causes deficit.

fixed.

That would indicate Republican administrations tend to overspend more than Democratic administrations...yes? (based on graph)

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer
Interesting.....click me!

Actually, they both are...but you get my drift.

Index those numbers to inflation, or compare them to the size of gdp(our ability to pay) and you get a much different picture.

Current total debt = 67% of this years GDP. Has increased by 12.72% the last 3 years.

It has gone up, but i dont think by 12%.

IF i recall correctly, the last 3 year defecits were not even in the top 10 when indexed to inflation.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer
Interesting.....click me!

Actually, they both are...but you get my drift.

Index those numbers to inflation, or compare them to the size of gdp(our ability to pay) and you get a much different picture.

Current total debt = 67% of this years GDP. Has increased by 12.72% the last 3 years.

It has gone up, but i dont think by 12%.

IF i recall correctly, the last 3 year defecits were not even in the top 10 when indexed to inflation.

Current GDP = 11,000,000,000,000. Debt increase over the last 3 year = 1,400,000,000,000. Math = 12.72%.


And I don't like the "adjusted for inflation" argument. If I add $10,000 per year to my credit card debt, I'm not going to look back 30 years from now and say....damn, this $10,000 this year is really small, when adjusted for inflation, compared to what I went into debt 30 years ago. I hate debt. My biggest personal pet peeve with all of government.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Train
except that graph isnt spending, its deficit.

overSpending causes deficit.

fixed.

That would indicate Republican administrations tend to overspend more than Democratic administrations...yes? (based on graph)

Well the democrats have help more power in DC for the last 50 years than republicans. They have been responsable for the most the overspending in the last 50 years.

 

[dannybin1742]

overSpending causes deficit

giving an unnecessary tax cut and then spend means you dig the whole twice as fast too...... I think its funny when poeple call in cspan and try and defend the president for defecit spending by saying well its congress's fault they spend too much.......well last i checked the president has veto power...... so who's fault is it... ther person who has the last say (president) has not vetoed on spending bill in the last 4 years that republicans have drafted

 

[daveshel]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer
Interesting.....click me!

Actually, they both are...but you get my drift.

Index those numbers to inflation, or compare them to the size of gdp(our ability to pay) and you get a much different picture.

Ok, let's see this picture of which you speak.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Train
except that graph isnt spending, its deficit.

overSpending causes deficit.

fixed.

That would indicate Republican administrations tend to overspend more than Democratic administrations...yes? (based on graph)

Well the democrats have help more power in DC for the last 50 years than republicans. They have been responsable for the most the overspending in the last 50 years.

It would seem that the Democrats are the only party in the last 26 years that has tried to turn the deficit around (again, see graph).

 

[Engineer]

Click me! (then refresh me a few times to watch the sign change)

 

[daveshel]

I think maybe the unfortunate circumstances that surrounded the end of the Clinton years somehow elcipsed the signifigance of what had been accomplished during his presidency.

 

[miketheidiot]

All i have to say is that the debt needs to get paided off. Think about the amount of money that it costs just to maintain that. Ugh.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
All i have to say is that the debt needs to get paided off. Think about the amount of money that it costs just to maintain that. Ugh.

$436,000,000,000 this year alone.

 

[Train]

newsflash, the president doesnt spend money, congress does. Note that a democrat congress was in place until 94 (hmm, the same year it started to decline) Then the democrats slowly started taking back the house, making it nearly even in 2000, but at the same time revenues decreased heavily(after 2000), so deficit would go up even if spending didnt.

Its funny how a graph can show you anything if you just pick the right things to compare...

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Train
newsflash, the president doesnt spend money, congress does. Note that a democrat congress was in place until 94 (hmm, the same year it started to decline) Then the democrats slowly started taking back the house, making it nearly even in 2000, but at the same time revenues decreased heavily(after 2000), so deficit would go up even if spending didnt.

Its funny how a graph can show you anything if you just pick the right things to compare...

and your comments on the current Republican President, House and Senate?

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Train
newsflash, the president doesnt spend money, congress does. Note that a democrat congress was in place until 94 (hmm, the same year it started to decline) Then the democrats slowly started taking back the house, making it nearly even in 2000, but at the same time revenues decreased heavily(after 2000), so deficit would go up even if spending didnt.

Its funny how a graph can show you anything if you just pick the right things to compare...

and your comments on the current Republican President, House and Senate?

partially becase the revenues are much less than we had in the late 90's, and spending has increased because we are fighting a war in two countries, for which the govt has to buy gas too, which is about twice what it was in '99