Democrats/Liberals prove to me Clinton was a good President.

Quixfire

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I?m tried reading of how bad you liberal/Democrats ATOTers think George W. Bush and the Republican Party is. Now it is your turn to prove to me how great Clinton was, according to the facts. I challenge you to prove to me and my fellow conservative/Republicans ATOTers what Bill Clinton did as president that had positive impact on our nation. This is your chance to change my, and possible others, opinion of your party and its leaders.

Please don?t post stupid remarks like ?Clinton Good Economy, Bush Bad Economy?, use verifiable facts or links to the records that support your claim.

Also please refrain from attacking this post or the Republican Party; this will just prove that the Democratic Party doesn?t do anything positive to improve out nation.

I am looking forward to reading your positive posts on this topic.

Quixfire
 

tm37

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I'm thinking this is going to be a short thread;)

one positive is we all now know what is is:D
 

Harvey

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Now where did I leave that damned surplus? I know we had one just before that idiotic tax cut for the rich, and I've been looking for it all over the place, but it seems to have fallen into somebody's enormous deficit. :Q

And before Tominator, or anyone else, jumps in and calls me a liberal, I'll do it, myself with pride. :)
 

fluxquantum

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Now where did I leave that damned surplus? I know we had one just before that idiotic tax cut for the rich, and I've been looking for it all over the place, but it seems to have fallen into somebody's enormous deficit. :Q

And before Tominator, or anyone else, jumps in and calls me a liberal, I'll do it, myself with pride. :)

LOL!!
 

Pacfanweb

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The budget "surplus" was OUR money that the government hadn't spent yet. I noticed that none of it went to pay off the national debt.
W's tax cut is not solely or even mostly responsible for the current deficit.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Now where did I leave that damned surplus? I know we had one just before that idiotic tax cut for the rich, and I've been looking for it all over the place, but it seems to have fallen into somebody's enormous deficit. :Q

And before Tominator, or anyone else, jumps in and calls me a liberal, I'll do it, myself with pride. :)

Yea I know what you mean, I can still see a increase in military spending AND a surplus at the same time.



PRESIDENT CLINTON: ANNOUNCING THE LARGEST SURPLUS IN HISTORY

 

PistachioByAzul

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You've already made up your mind so don't kid yourself into thinking that you have even a hint of objectivity.

One man's proof is another man's BS. So tell me, are you God?
 

vi edit

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As a college student, I saw some nice tax refunds.
As an investor, I saw the inception of the Roth IRA under his presidency.
 

tm37

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Now where did I leave that damned surplus? I know we had one just before that idiotic tax cut for the rich, and I've been looking for it all over the place, but it seems to have fallen into somebody's enormous deficit. :Q

And before Tominator, or anyone else, jumps in and calls me a liberal, I'll do it, myself with pride. :)


Actually Harvey we never really had a surplus.

Clinton increased spending on everything BUT National defence and intelligence. He saw too it that the windfall of revenue from the booming economy was spent and that should there be a downturn there would be deficits.

The surplus talk is and was a sham. When FIca Tax (which is earmarked for SS) is spent on the biological study of the effect of the whooping crane and it's habitat and migration patterns, The SS gets an IOU of course that IOU is not counted against the budget or the national debt.
 

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Clinton was unprincipled, and Bush has not been in office long enough for me to be sure. I suppose I am generally skeptical of Washington based on my experiences
 

Vette73

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What did Clinton do for the economy...


Opening markets abroad. Since 1992, the United States has negotiated over 270 separate trade agreements. The President is fighting to bring China into the WTO, forcing China to play by the same rules that we do, opening virtually every sector of the Chinese economy -- from agriculture to automobiles to high-technology products -- to U.S. exports

Opening New Markets in America. The President?s New Markets initiative is designed to provide incentives for businesses to invest in the parts of the country that have not fully shared in our prosperity. This initiative includes a New Markets tax credit and extended and expanded Empowerment Zone tax incentives. In total, the President?s proposals would stimulate $22 billion of new investment in America?s untapped markets.

Investing in people. Since 1993, the President has nearly doubled investment in education and training -- increasing it from $25.5 billion in 1993 to $49.1 billion in 2000. In his FY 2001 budget the President proposes more increases, including a $1 billion increase in Head Start, the largest increase ever, and a $30 billion College Opportunity Tax Cut.

There are more but you get the idea, and this is what happened under Clinton because of the things he did...

Longest economic expansion in history. The United States economy is in its 107th month of economic expansion -- the longest period of sustained growth in U.S. history.
Nearly 21 million new jobs. Since January 1993, the economy has created 20.8 million new jobs -- the most jobs ever created under a single President and substantially more than the 18.5 million new jobs created in 12 years under Presidents Reagan and Bush. Under President Clinton, 19.2 million -- 92 percent -- of the new jobs were created in the private sector, the highest share since Harry Truman was President.
Lowest unemployment rate in three decades. In January 2000, the unemployment rate was 4.0 percent -- the lowest in thirty years. In the last year, unemployment rates for African Americans and Hispanics have dipped to the lowest levels on record.
Strongest growth in over three decades. Under President Clinton, GDP has grown at a 3.9 percent annual rate -- the strongest growth of any President since Johnson.
Highest homeownership on record. The homeownership rate reached 66.8 percent in 1999 -- the highest homeownership rate on record. Homeownership rates for African Americans and Hispanics was also the highest on record.
Lowest poverty rate in two decades. The poverty rate was 12.7 percent in 1998 -- the lowest poverty rate in two decades. Including the Earned Income Tax Credit, there were 7.7 million fewer people in poverty in 1998 than 1993. The poverty rate for African Americans is the lowest on record.
Broadly shared income growth. Under President Clinton all groups have enjoyed strong income gains, with every quintile seeing its real income rise by about ten percent. In contrast, in the 1980s only the top of the income distribution saw its real income rise.
 

Ameesh

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22.2 million new jobs have been created from 1993 to 2001, the most jobs ever created under a single Administration -- and more new jobs than Presidents Reagan and Bush created during their three terms. 91 percent (19.9 million) of the new jobs have been created in the private sector, the highest percentage in 50 years

The poverty rate has fallen from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 12.7 percent in 1998. That?s the lowest poverty rate since 1979 and the largest five-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years

Unemployment was down from 7.5 percent in 1992 to 4.0 percent in June 2000, and in April the unemployment rate was the lowest in over 30 years. The unemployment rate has fallen for seven years in a row, and has remained below 5 percent for 34 months in a row.

In 1992, the Federal budget deficit was $290 billion - the largest dollar deficit in American history. In January 1993, the Congressional Budget Office projected that the deficit would grow to $455 billion by 2000. The Office of Management and Budget projected a $211 billion surplus for 2000 - the third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever, even after adjusting for inflation.

3 Strikes Law

Successfully negotiated the Kyoto Protocol, which sets strong, realistic targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions and establishes flexible, market-based mechanisms to achieve them as cost-effectively as possible.

Increased research funding to more than $1.7 billion in FY 2000 to provide a sound scientific understanding of both the human and natural forces that influence the Earth?s climate system.

Directed federal agencies to reduce energy use in buildings 35 percent by 2010, reducing annual greenhouse gas emissions by the equivalent of taking 1.7 million cars off the road and saving taxpayers over $750 million a year.

The President?s 1996 National Space Policy commits the nation to a strong, stable, and balanced space program. The FY 2001 budget request of $14 billion will enable NASA to continue to pursue the Clinton-Gore Administration?s priorities in human space flight, earth sciences, advanced space transportation, aviation safety, & space science. Through the 21st Century Research Fund for America, the President adds $200 million over the next year to NASA?s space science program.

Increasing Funding for Nanotechnology Research with a $227 million increase in the National Nanotechnology Initiative.

Developing Cleaner Energy to Reduce Greenhouse Emissions, via a $4 billion package of tax incentives to spur the purchase of energy efficient products and the use of renewable energy.

$125 million for new ?Fathers Work? grants will help approximately 40,000 low-income non-custodial parents (mainly fathers) work, pay child support, and reconnect with their children.

The Clinton Administration ended a decade of repression and reversed ethnic cleansing in Kosovo by leading NATO alliance to victory in 79-day air war against Serb forces, forcing their withdrawal, ushering in international peacekeepers, and launching the Stability Pact to strengthen democracy, prosperity and integration throughout the Balkans.

Highest Homeownership Rate in History, 67.2% in the 2nd quarter of 2000.



i could post some more if you like, and before you ask for sources, you look up the facts in any source you deem reliable, since i don't read the national review regularly or the jerry fallwell newsletter or watch fox news and you most likely would reject sources like cnn and like as lying liberal institutions. Get your own trusted sources and look up the facts.






oh i almost forgot the standarized label on all food products was a product of the clinton administration.


 

klah

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Everything Clinton passed from 1994-2000 had to go through the Republican-majority House and everything Bush has passed so far was sent to him from the Democratic-majority Senate.

So how can you blame/credit one party or the other?
 

gump47371

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Now where did I leave that damned surplus? I know we had one just before that idiotic tax cut for the rich, and I've been looking for it all over the place, but it seems to have fallen into somebody's enormous deficit. :Q

And before Tominator, or anyone else, jumps in and calls me a liberal, I'll do it, myself with pride. :)

Hey Harvey, do me a favor, please. Go here and go to the bottom of the page and look at the table that he set up. I know you probably think he is a raving idiot and everything, but you don't have to read anything else on the page, just look at the table, which is FACT, not opinion.

THAT is why the "rich" got the tax cut, because they are the only ones that PAY any taxes.
 

vi edit

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Originally posted by: klah
Everything Clinton passed from 1994-2000 had to go through the Republican-majority House and everything Bush has passed so far was sent to him from the Democratic-majority Senate.

So how can you blame/credit one party or the other?

I've always wondered that too. I guess you can look at vetos :confused:

BTW, did line item vetos ever go through?
 

Vette73

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BTW, did line item vetos ever go through?

Yes AND No. It was passed but is was turned over in teh courts. I don't know if it is still in the court system or the Goverment just gave up on it and let it die.
 

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Now where did I leave that damned surplus? I know we had one just before that idiotic tax cut for the rich, and I've been looking for it all over the place, but it seems to have fallen into somebody's enormous deficit.

This is the reason that Harvey and the rest of that crack team of limp-wristed liberal assclowns got kicked to the curb last Tuesday. Luckily most Americans realized that having a surplus during a recession does no one any good and enacting a tax cut brings you out of the recession faster. They also realized what really has caused the recession to be extended (911) and ignored any attempt to blame the Republicans. The Demoidiots are now so desperate for leadership they have turned to a woman who's politics are clearly stuck in 1973 and I'm fairly certain she's lost on her way home from Woodstock. What's even sadder is that she's the absolute best they can come up with.
 

Tominator

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I've never seen so much Liberal drivel in one place!

The economy did not start it's surge until the Republicans took control of Congress in '94. They put the cahoots on Clinton's tax and spend plans.

The economy started up in ernest because of things Reagan did. Clinton just lied his way into the office...then lied his party out of office!:p
 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: Tominator
I've never seen so much Liberal drivel in one place!

The economy did not start it's surge until the Republicans took control of Congress in '94. They put the cahoots on Clinton's tax and spend plans.

The economy started up in ernest because of things Reagan did. Clinton just lied his way into the office...then lied his party out of office!:p



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GoodRevrnd

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Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Too bad most Americans didn't even vote, heh. You guys keep forgetting this.

How does quoting that support your position? "Well they obviously would have voted democrat!" Voter apathy represents discontent for the choices offered, or is just plain apathy. Either way it's pretty irrelevant.
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: Tominator
I've never seen so much Liberal drivel in one place!

The economy did not start it's surge until the Republicans took control of Congress in '94. They put the cahoots on Clinton's tax and spend plans.

The economy started up in ernest because of things Reagan did. Clinton just lied his way into the office...then lied his party out of office!:p

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Don't you have some altarboys to touch inappropriately or something?
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