Democrats Claim Obamacare Isn't Mandatory

[TwinsenTacquito]

Bullshit. It will raise the cost of every product I buy that is made in this country. I will be hit in 10 directions, and so will everybody in the country. They will create new taxes such as a value added tax (super sales tax) when the 9 year limit hits. Because they're pulling in for 9 years of taxes to pay for 4 years of service, what happens year 10? Value added tax. And it'll be something we "nneeeeeeeeed".

 

[paperfist]

You, like the rest of the fucking retards in this thread, have not read any of the bill or even summaries on fee structure.

If you are that damn poor than you qualify for a subsidy to help get a plan. If a reasonable plan isn't within affordability you can get a waiver that waives the fine. Almost everyone in that category though will qualify for the expanded medicare at 133% of poverty level though.

There are multiple redundant levels of protection for the consumer in this bill.

Damn.

What's the criteria for 'reasonable affordability'?

I don't see any references to IRS Code, Subtitle D, Chapter 48, Section 5000A online.

All I see is:

Individual Mandate
The Act mandates that all United States citizens and legal residents have qualifying health coverage (Internal Revenue Service [IRS] Code, Subtitle D, Chapter 48, Section 5000A(a)).

The Act prescribes penalties for individuals who fail to obtain bureaucrat-approved health insurance. In 2016, these penalties will be $750 per year for an individual and up to $2,250 per family, or 2 percent of household income, whichever is greater (IRS Code, Subtitle D, Chapter 48, Section 5000A(b)(c)). After 2016, the penalty will increase annually based on a formula (IRS Code, Subtitle D, Chapter 48, Section 5000A(c)(3)(D)).

Exemptions to the tax penalty only apply for individuals with certain religious objections (IRS Code, Subtitle D, Chapter 48, Section 5000A(d)(2)), illegal immigrants (IRS Code, Subtitle D, Chapter 48, Section 5000A(d)(3)), incarcerated individuals (IRS Code, Subtitle D, Chapter 48, Section 5000A(d)(4)), some individuals with financial hardships (IRS Code, Subtitle D, Chapter 48, Section 5000A(e)(1)), and members of Indian tribes (IRS Code, Subtitle D, Chapter 48, Section 5000A(e)(3)).
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So in 2016 the fine is $750 per year for individuals and up to $2250 per family or 2% of household income.

AFTER 2016 the penalty increases annually on a formula that I don't see defined.

I like the exemption part, 'certain religious objections', 'illegal immigrants', 'jail birds', and members of 'indian tribes'.

So much for everyone paying their 'fair share'

 

[TruePaige]

What's the criteria for 'reasonable affordability'?

I don't see any references to IRS Code, Subtitle D, Chapter 48, Section 5000A online.

All I see is:

Individual Mandate
The Act mandates that all United States citizens and legal residents have qualifying health coverage (Internal Revenue Service [IRS] Code, Subtitle D, Chapter 48, Section 5000A(a)).

The Act prescribes penalties for individuals who fail to obtain bureaucrat-approved health insurance. In 2016, these penalties will be $750 per year for an individual and up to $2,250 per family, or 2 percent of household income, whichever is greater (IRS Code, Subtitle D, Chapter 48, Section 5000A(b)(c)). After 2016, the penalty will increase annually based on a formula (IRS Code, Subtitle D, Chapter 48, Section 5000A(c)(3)(D)).

Exemptions to the tax penalty only apply for individuals with certain religious objections (IRS Code, Subtitle D, Chapter 48, Section 5000A(d)(2)), illegal immigrants (IRS Code, Subtitle D, Chapter 48, Section 5000A(d)(3)), incarcerated individuals (IRS Code, Subtitle D, Chapter 48, Section 5000A(d)(4)), some individuals with financial hardships (IRS Code, Subtitle D, Chapter 48, Section 5000A(e)(1)), and members of Indian tribes (IRS Code, Subtitle D, Chapter 48, Section 5000A(e)(3)).
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So in 2016 the fine is $750 per year for individuals and up to $2250 per family or 2% of household income.

AFTER 2016 the penalty increases annually on a formula that I don't see defined.

I like the exemption part, 'certain religious objections', 'illegal immigrants', 'jail birds', and members of 'indian tribes'.

So much for everyone paying their 'fair share'

Here, bolded it for you.

If the insurance policies available cause / worsen that financial hardship it means you are on that line and can get an exemption.

 

[Hacp]

Here, bolded it for you.

If the insurance policies available cause / worsen that financial hardship it means you are on that line and can get an exemption.

Screw the people win "individual hardships". Everyone has individual hardships. If we accommodate them all, like they do in California, we'd be broke. OOps, aren't we broke already?

 

[TruePaige]

Screw the people win "individual hardships". Everyone has individual hardships. If we accommodate them all, like they do in California, we'd be broke. OOps, aren't we broke already?

Like I care what the current biggest troll in P&N thinks.

You can put that on your resume when you get a job, by the way. I'll be your reference.

 

[First]

Like I care what the current biggest troll in P&N thinks.

He's not a troll, he's legitimately handicapped. As in he got into college entirely on his parent's dime and can't honestly think for himself.

 

[TruePaige]

He's not a troll, he's legitimately handicapped. As in he got into college entirely on his parent's dime and can't honestly think for himself.

Exactly what I said earlier in the thread as one of the reasons I'll be happy to subside his therapy when he gets out of school and has to learn to survive in the real world.

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

Logic, no.
Personal attacks, yes.

Proves our point better than we could.

 

[Hacp]

Like I care what the current biggest troll in P&N thinks.

You can put that on your resume when you get a job, by the way. I'll be your reference.

Haha, so being for limited government and individual responsibility is suddenly being a troll?

 

[TruePaige]

Haha, so being for limited government and individual responsibility is suddenly being a troll?

Individual responsibility from a person who is still practically getting their ass wiped by grown ups? Laughable.

Easier to preach golden opportunity when you've never been in need of one.

 

[Hacp]

Individual responsibility from a person who is still practically getting their ass wiped by grown ups? Laughable.

Easier to preach golden opportunity when you've never been in need of one.

And you have no problem with taking from the profitable to distribute to the undeserving?

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

It's taking from the undeserving too. The only people that will profit are insurance companies and the congressmen that have their hands in their pockets.

 

[TruePaige]

And you have no problem with taking from the profitable to distribute to the undeserving?

There are no undeserving when it comes to health care, a basic right.

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

Oh, I get it. It is my basic right to be forced into buying something. That makes piles of sense. Choice, no longer a right. Minor issue.

 

[Fear No Evil]

There are no undeserving when it comes to health care, a basic right.

Why do we force people to buy a basic right through private for profit insurance companies? Why does congress not have the same basic rights as the common folk? Why do we penalize people who can't afford a basic right?

 

[TruePaige]

Oh, I get it. It is my basic right to be forced into buying something. That makes piles of sense. Choice, no longer a right. Minor issue.

Because of people like you. You made this happen.

Otherwise we'd all have our rights fulfilled.

But do not worry, it is just a dream deferred, like so many other denied rights this nation has had to fight for.

 

[Nemesis 1]

As for the Title of this topic . I personally don't believe one word the Socialist party of americas(Dems) says.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6DmjBneGBc&feature=related

 

[Nemesis 1]

Here, bolded it for you.

If the insurance policies available cause / worsen that financial hardship it means you are on that line and can get an exemption.

What ever Religion is exempt here . Will become the fastest growing religion in this countrys historys . Middle class will flock to that religion it will be a god dam revival. Native born americans will claim there heritage even if their half breeds.

 

[ShawnD1]

As for the Title of this topic . I personally don't believe one word the Socialist party of americas(Dems) says.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6DmjBneGBc&feature=related

Does anyone else find it ironic that Ronald Reagan is the one talking about how nice freedom is?

USA currently has the highest prison population in the entire world. That's total and per capita. It's actually higher than Russia and China. Grats on that one Reagan, I'm sure Stalin would be proud of you.

 

[Nemesis 1]

So these jailed americans commeted no crimes . If ronney jailed these people for no reason give link showing innocent people sent to prison for zero reason

Did the population of US grow durring this period . Did the border crossings bring crimials. Just so much wrong with your graph . It just lacks thought. Its a pretty graph tho.

 

[Hacp]

USA currently has the highest prison population in the entire world. That's total and per capita. It's actually higher than Russia and China. Grats on that one Reagan, I'm sure Stalin would be proud of you.

It would be nice to overlay food stamp payout over the graph. Perhaps there is some correlation.

 

[TruePaige]

It would be nice to overlay food stamp payout over the graph. Perhaps there is some correlation.

Like when you send someones father to prison for a silly drug offense the family has so little income remaining they have to go on food stamps?

 

[Fear No Evil]

It would be nice to overlay food stamp payout over the graph. Perhaps there is some correlation.

Or increases in social spending.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Like when you send someones father to prison for a silly drug offense the family has so little income remaining they have to go on food stamps?

See this is a problem I agree. The father should not sell drugs . The mother should . She has a better chance of not going to prison than the father does.

 

[Nebor]

Because of people like you. You made this happen.

Otherwise we'd all have our rights fulfilled.

But do not worry, it is just a dream deferred, like so many other denied rights this nation has had to fight for.

You have a right to free speech. You have a right to assemble peacefully. You have a right to free religion. You have a right to bear arms.

The government doesn't buy you a printing press or a TV station. The government does pay for your rally. The government doesn't buy you a church. The government does give you guns.

You have a lot of rights in this country. You are not, however, entitled to other peoples things for free.