Democrats Ask for Relief from ACA

[Matt1970]

So, let me get this straight.

Every American was forced from using their previous doctor? In your reality, check.

Every American was forced from using their company's insurance policy that they liked? In your reality, check.

Where does someone sign up for your reality, because I'm living in a totally different one from you.

No son, I live in the reality that Obama promised EVERY American that they could keep their doctor and their insurance. I am sure you have seen him say it. Need a link or does that not fit into your reality?

 

[Matt1970]

It doesn't affect those with employer insurance, yet.


So you haven't experience the gift that keeps on giving like I have in the individual market.

There are provider networks to the sick, that are so bad, its a 5.5 hour drive to see a specialist, and you pay coinsurance.

But hay! Insurance!

The employer mandate may not get fully enforced till after 2016 for one reason and one reason only. It's one thing to lie to 10 million people, it's another to lie to 10X that.

 

[OverVolt]

FWIW now that I have a fulltime job it took me 45 minutes to sign up for benefits at my job. It took me about 20 hours to signup for obamacare. Last thing I wanted while in school was to have my plan dropped that I already spent like 5 hours researching. I'm dreading canceling it. I've heard they keep forking over subsidies and ask you to pay back money you never received because most of the ACA systems are broken.

For example I'm getting non-stop emails from the federal exchange that I'm missing deadlines even though it directed me to the state exchange and I already signed up months ago.

Overall I would not wish the ACA upon my worst enemy. Yet alone poor people who don't have time for this shit.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

What huge problem?

The website not working? Or the DeathPanels™ out and about hunting down fetuses and grandmothers?

Are you fucking blind? Or just really, really stupid? 6 million people are getting hit with the full brunt of mandate penalties and that doesn't include the millions adversely affected by subsidy "adjustments". Your regurgitated talking points are so yesterday.

 

[nickqt]

Are you fucking blind? Or just really, really stupid? 6 million people are getting hit with the full brunt of mandate penalties and that doesn't include the millions adversely affected by subsidy "adjustments". Your regurgitated talking points are so yesterday.

Argle bargle you're stupid because I disagree with you, angry words, outrage.

My talking points are so yesterday?

6 million people are facing the full brunt of the mandate?

Are they being rounded up by DeathPanels, or are you talking about paying a penalty that they knew they would have to pay for not getting health insurance?

America is on the brink of ruin because people aren't getting as much back from the IRS, it's the end of the world. Someone save us.

Argle bargle angry words.

 

[OverVolt]

Argle bargle you're stupid because I disagree with you, angry words, outrage.

My talking points are so yesterday?

6 million people are facing the full brunt of the mandate?

Are they being rounded up by DeathPanels, or are you talking about paying a penalty that they knew they would have to pay for not getting health insurance?

America is on the brink of ruin because people aren't getting as much back from the IRS, it's the end of the world. Someone save us.

Argle bargle angry words.

Quoting this so you look like an idiot in a couple of years.

 

[nickqt]

Quoting this so you look like an idiot in a couple of years.

OK

 

[theeedude]

It's a penalty for a reason. It's not supposed to be pleasant.

 

[SparkyJJO]

So, let me get this straight.

Every American was forced from using their previous doctor? In your reality, check.

Every American was forced from using their company's insurance policy that they liked? In your reality, check.

Where does someone sign up for your reality, because I'm living in a totally different one from you.

Over 5 MILLION people lost their insurance due to ACA, I being one of them. I was told that it was only "crappy" plans that were dropped. Guess what, an "ACA-approved" plan would have cost me 3x as much per month for only roughly the same coverage (higher deductible actually, so worse). Oh sure, it would have included women's health.. but I'm a man, and single, why the heck would I or should I pay for that? Utterly useless.

No, not EVERY American lost their doctor/insurance plan/etc, but a whole ton did. ACA has hurt many, many people. Oh, can barely afford your insurance under the old ways? How nice, we'll double or triple your insurance rates, then charge you penalties if you can't afford it! Brilliant!

 

[DCal430]

Over 5 MILLION people lost their insurance due to ACA, I being one of them. I was told that it was only "crappy" plans that were dropped. Guess what, an "ACA-approved" plan would have cost me 3x as much per month for only roughly the same coverage (higher deductible actually, so worse). Oh sure, it would have included women's health.. but I'm a man, and single, why the heck would I or should I pay for that? Utterly useless.

No, not EVERY American lost their doctor/insurance plan/etc, but a whole ton did. ACA has hurt many, many people. Oh, can barely afford your insurance under the old ways? How nice, we'll double or triple your insurance rates, then charge you penalties if you can't afford it! Brilliant!

Many more people where able to get insurance thanks to ACA, in states that expanded medicaid, people with cancer who are unable to work will now have health insurance. Before they would lose any coverage and be denied treatment for their cancer.

 

[Spungo]

Over 5 MILLION people lost their insurance due to ACA, I being one of them. I was told that it was only "crappy" plans that were dropped. Guess what, an "ACA-approved" plan would have cost me 3x as much per month for only roughly the same coverage (higher deductible actually, so worse). Oh sure, it would have included women's health.. but I'm a man, and single, why the heck would I or should I pay for that? Utterly useless.

I lost my insurance as well. I'm a healthy young woman and my insurance price roughly doubled.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Somehow I don't think hurting 5+ million people for the sake of a relatively few people who had that happen to them is an overall positive.

 

[DCal430]

It isn't a relatively few people, many millions more were able to get coverage, including those most vulnerable.

 

[First]

90% of this nonsense has already been debunked.

1. Can't keep your doctor? True for a small number (under 1M people), untrue for another 100M+. Something that is 1% false 99% true is good by practically any standard.
2. Can't keep your insurance? True for a small number (under 1M people), untrue for another 100M+. Something that is 1% false 99% true is good by practically any standard.
3. Health care costs spiraling out of control? No instead the lowest healthcare inflation on record since March 2010 passage, saving tens of billions more than originally forecast in 2009/2010.
4. Subsidies and Medicaid expansion would break the bank? So far ACA has come in under original CBO estimates, to say nothing of the far large indirect impact of Medicare cost controls and general regulatory framework and transparency that is pushing down prices.

There are always losers with a piece of legislation and frankly no one here could cite a piece of significant modern legislation didn't have winners and losers in it, so the rage is transparent. The 30M+ now insured due directly/indirectly to ACA far outstrips the minority who have seen higher prices or dropped coverage/doctors. And by the way, those losers (I say that lovingly and with respect) should be addressed with legislative fixes, and the posters in here claiming Repubs shouldn't have to fix it represent a sad sort of spite and transparently partisan stance. Frankly, Repubs aren't taken seriously on this matter anyway, literally 4 years of House control and they've never sniffed getting a healthcare bill out of committee let alone a full floor vote (which at least would show they have ideas). Frankly, the ideas they do have don't actually cover people or is ACA-light as seen in the Senate framework released by Hatch and company ~1 week ago.

 

[berzerker60]

"As long as it is better than what we had" wasn't what was sold to us.

One time my friend suggested that we go play football. I was feeling lazy, but I didn't have any better suggestions, so eventually we went to play. I had a better time than if I'd sat at home. But then my shoes came untied! Naturally I threw a fit! My friend offered to tie the shoes, but FUCK HIM! So I spat in his face and continued to cry because my shoes still weren't tied. He didn't sell me on "a better time than I would have had AND MY SHOES BEING UNTIED."

 

[Matt1970]

90% of this nonsense has already been debunked.

1. Can't keep your doctor? True for a small number (under 1M people), untrue for another 100M+. Something that is 1% false 99% true is good by practically any standard.
2. Can't keep your insurance? True for a small number (under 1M people), untrue for another 100M+. Something that is 1% false 99% true is good by practically any standard.
3. Health care costs spiraling out of control? No instead the lowest healthcare inflation on record since March 2010 passage, saving tens of billions more than originally forecast in 2009/2010.
4. Subsidies and Medicaid expansion would break the bank? So far ACA has come in under original CBO estimates, to say nothing of the far large indirect impact of Medicare cost controls and general regulatory framework and transparency that is pushing down prices.

There are always losers with a piece of legislation and frankly no one here could cite a piece of significant modern legislation didn't have winners and losers in it, so the rage is transparent. The 30M+ now insured due directly/indirectly to ACA far outstrips the minority who have seen higher prices or dropped coverage/doctors. And by the way, those losers (I say that lovingly and with respect) should be addressed with legislative fixes, and the posters in here claiming Repubs shouldn't have to fix it represent a sad sort of spite and transparently partisan stance. Frankly, Repubs aren't taken seriously on this matter anyway, literally 4 years of House control and they've never sniffed getting a healthcare bill out of committee let alone a full floor vote (which at least would show they have ideas). Frankly, the ideas they do have don't actually cover people or is ACA-light as seen in the Senate framework released by Hatch and company ~1 week ago.

So it's debunked, but still true.

It was a lot more than 1M kicked off their insurance. And there are nowhere near 30 million people with insurance now that didn't have any before. You are going to continually keep knocking down the number kicked off insurance and increasing the numbers who added insurance and then claim "Repubs aren't taken seriously on this matter"

Good job Minion.

 

[Matt1970]

One time my friend suggested that we go play football. I was feeling lazy, but I didn't have any better suggestions, so eventually we went to play. I had a better time than if I'd sat at home. But then my shoes came untied! Naturally I threw a fit! My friend offered to tie the shoes, but FUCK HIM! So I spat in his face and continued to cry because my shoes still weren't tied. He didn't sell me on "a better time than I would have had AND MY SHOES BEING UNTIED."

Ya but your friend didn't promise you football and you show up and find out you are playing something else. A closer analogy would be if your friend promise you a 5 star cruise but then put you on a rowboat and claim it was better than you staying home.

 

[boomerang]

Pure politics. They know that 2016 will be here in the blink of an eye.

The lawmakers say they are concerned that many of their constituents will find out about the penalties after it's already too late for them to sign up for coverage, since open enrollment ended Sunday.

That means they could wind up uninsured for another year, only to owe substantially higher fines in 2016. The fines are collected through the income tax system.

"For the many families who may now be about to pay a penalty, there should be an opportunity to avoid both further penalties and to obtain affordable health insurance," said Doggett.

This year is the first time ordinary Americans will experience the complicated interactions between the health care law and taxes. Based on congressional analysis, tax preparation giant H&R Block says roughly 4 million uninsured people will pay penalties.

They aren't actually concerned for their constituents, they're concerned for themselves.

A deadline was set and the numbers don't look good. So now it's hey, let's extend the deadline! I say no. They had the opportunity and the deadline has passed.

 

[highland145]

Pure politics. They know that 2016 will be here in the blink of an eye.

They aren't actually concerned for their constituents, they're concerned for themselves.

A deadline was set and the numbers don't look good. So now it's hey, let's extend the deadline! I say no. They had the opportunity and the deadline has passed.

The employer mandate may not get fully enforced till after 2016 for one reason and one reason only. It's one thing to lie to 10 million people, it's another to lie to 10X that.

These. Implement all of it now because it's so awesome.

I've taken it in the bum. I know people that love the ACA. When it's fully enforced, including the employer mandate, let's see how the public feels about it then.

Kept my Dr? Yes because I pay him cash.
Kept my plan? Nope. They left the state.
Saved $2500? lolol

A lot of people are being hit with the penalty due to the family loop hole. Republicans refuse to help fix this, and are screwing the middle class over. Basically if your spouse doesn't work, but your job doesn't offer health benefits to them too, they don't qualify for any subsidy and are still required to obtain health coverage.

So. The pubbies were locked out of discussions but you want them to fix it. lolol Hell no. I wouldn't do a single thing to it if I were them. Let the dems hold the bag.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I truly feel for those who have high deductibles with ACA plans. I've heard many complaints at the doctor's office when the person is required to pay a deductible (most think it's subsidized just like their premiums when in fact it isn't) and they can't afford the payment required. Sadly the person is turned away as the doctor's office requires copay or deductible payment prior to seeing a doctor.

 

[highland145]

It doesn't affect those with employer insurance, yet.


So you haven't experience the gift that keeps on giving like I have in the individual market.

There are provider networks to the sick, that are so bad, its a 5.5 hour drive to see a specialist, and you pay coinsurance.

But hay! Insurance!

My agent said something similar last week so you both must be wrong.

 

[fskimospy]

It doesn't affect those with employer insurance, yet.

So you haven't experience the gift that keeps on giving like I have in the individual market.

There are provider networks to the sick, that are so bad, its a 5.5 hour drive to see a specialist, and you pay coinsurance.

But hay! Insurance!

It most certainly does affect those with employer insurance. Where did you get the idea that it didn't? People often confuse the employer mandate to mean that the ACA hasn't placed new requirements on employer plans yet. That's not the case at all.

People who have insurance from the ACA marketplace seem to like it just fine, at similar levels to people with other types of insurance. (~75% rate it good or excellent) If it's so terrible, can you explain this?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/179396/newly-insured-exchanges-give-coverage-good-marks.aspx

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Wall Street loves Obamacare....you should too!

 

[dank69]

You're a moron and too fucking stupid to realize it. This is a huge problem DEMOCRATS created...it's their fucking bill and they need to own it instead of blaming others for their abject stupidity.

So you claim GOP wanted to compromise and when reminded that they would not compromise you call him a moron? Okay Doc.

 

[fskimospy]

Republicans offered many reasonable alternatives and were very willing to compromise which you apparently don't recall as a result of your highly selective memory. So now it's their fault that the bill sucks and your framing these problems as Republicans exploiting ACA's flaws? Wow...that's rich. Democrats caused these problems in the first place by passing a really shitty bill without a care as to what was in it. Republicans didn't like the mandate penalties from the get go....but now they should somehow now be blamed in your simple, simple mind? WTF is wrong with you? Fucking idiot.

Can you provide us those 'reasonable alternatives'?

So far the bill is actually working quite well. It has met or exceeded nearly every projection, something that is quite rare for a bill of this complexity.

You might want to look at some objective analysis of the ACA and get outside of that media bubble. You would be very surprised by what you learn, I imagine.