Democrats are viewed by a majority of the populace as wussies. Why?

[alphatarget1]

I was listening to NPR on my way to work today and they talked about the Nigerian bomber case and how the Republicans were exploiting the situation (paraphrasing of course). Remember Scott Brown saying something along the lines of "we should be spending money on weapons to fight them, not to pay lawyers to defend them"?

Well, the argument made was that the shoe bomber during the Bush administration was pretty much given the same treatment (tried in a civilian court, etc), which I have no problem with.

The public clearly does not trust politicians who lean left with national security, even though they aren't doing anything differently in practice compared to a former conservative president. Even I think of Democrats that way. It was unfortunate that Kerry got swiftboated, even though he fought in Nam compared to the draft dodgers like Cheney.

I blame the hippie movements in the 60s and 70s that forever associated Democrats with pot smoking hippies who don't do anything and hate our country. You may argue that it's not *really* the case, but a lot of people subconsciously associate liberals that way.

Discuss.

 

[Sinsear]

I don't know why.

 

[DesiPower]

Soon Republicans will be forever associated with baggers

 

[brencat]

You can see it today...Dems and Obama perseverate extensively over issues related to national security. Forcing NYC to potentially spend $1 billion over 4 years to have a civilian show trial with appeals is a ridiculous waste of money to spend on scum terrorists like KSM who have already admitted guilt to 9-11 and cutting Daniel Pearl's throat. On top of that, the endless talking with Iran without deploying crippling sanctions, apologizing to the world just sickens the average person like me.

Dems also seem to care how Europe and other "civilized" western societies might view our actions. Repubs by and large (correctly) don't give a sh*t what wussie Europe thinks. I sure don't.

We are the USA -- the beacon of freedom, who have fought and still fight despotism around the world and as such, shouldn't be apologizing to anyone for anything. There is no way our occassional "bad behavior" or preemption can ever be associated with decades of truly horrible behavior by real dictators that have committed and still commit unspeakable crimes against their own people that we have attempted to marginalize or defeat over the years.

Bottom line is, I just feel safer with a Republican in the CIC chair. I imagine Putin, Chavez, Amadinejad and even Sarkozy of France laughing at and mocking Obama behind his back. They may have hated Bush but at least they respected/feared him a bit. So...I guess I would rather my enemies fear me than like me.

 

[Robor]

You can see it today...Dems and Obama perseverate extensively over issues related to national security. Forcing NYC to potentially spend $1 billion over 4 years to have a civilian show trial with appeals is a ridiculous waste of money to spend on scum terrorists like KSM who have already admitted guilt to 9-11 and cutting Daniel Pearl's throat. On top of that, the endless talking with Iran without deploying crippling sanctions, apologizing to the world just sickens the average person like me.

Dems also seem to care how Europe and other "civilized" western societies might view our actions. Repubs by and large (correctly) don't give a sh*t what wussie Europe thinks. I sure don't.

We are the USA -- the beacon of freedom, who have fought and still fight despotism around the world and as such, shouldn't be apologizing to anyone for anything. There is no way our occassional "bad behavior" or preemption can ever be associated with decades of truly horrible behavior by real dictators that have committed and still commit unspeakable crimes against their own people that we have attempted to marginalize or defeat over the years.

Bottom line is, I just feel safer with a Republican in the CIC chair. I imagine Putin, Chavez, Amadinejad and even Sarkozy of France laughing at and mocking Obama behind his back. They may have hated Bush but at least they respected/feared him a bit. So...I guess I would rather my enemies fear me than like me.

Wrong x 4 but bravo on neocon talking points.

The Dem's are pussies because they let the Rep's hold them back when they're the majority and trample on them when they're the minority.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Wussies use things like reason and compromise. Tough guys use brute force and don't let things like facts and information sway them. So, that's why.

 

[alphatarget1]

Dems also seem to care how Europe and other "civilized" western societies might view our actions. Repubs by and large (correctly) don't give a sh*t what wussie Europe thinks. I sure don't.

I actually tend to somewhat agree with you on this point. Europe couldn't deal with problems in their own backyard (think Bosnia, Kosovo, etc) and we were the ones who stepped in.

 

[alphatarget1]

Wussies use things like reason and compromise. Tough guys use brute force and don't let things like facts and information sway them. So, that's why.

There is nothing rational in a typical liberal mindset. It's actually full of contradictions. You could say the same about the other side (some conservatives).

 

[HumblePie]

Brencat added to my list of raving nut cases... check.

 

[heyheybooboo]

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We are the USA -- the beacon of freedom, who have fought and still fight despotism around the world and as such, shouldn't be apologizing to anyone for anything. There is no way our occassional "bad behavior" or preemption can ever be associated with decades of truly horrible behavior by real dictators that have committed and still commit unspeakable crimes against their own people that we have attempted to marginalize or defeat over the years.
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I find this interesting ---- with no intent to 'flame'.

I'm guessing you are an 'America: Right or Wrong' kinda guy.

I agree that for the most part the USA has got a good thing going but the L-A-B-E-L-S some folks (primarily the GOP) try to stick on their opposition is juvenile. We don't need to revisit the whole 'Cut and Run' thing, do we?

'Might' does not always make right. The history of our country is rife with some serious oppression.

BTW --- How many of those 'wussie' Europeans died over the last 100 years defending themselves from fascism? How many of those 'pansy' Rooskies died in WWII?

And how many 'innocents' are we responsible for killing in Iraq over the last 20 years when we 'bombed them back to the Stone Age' in 1990?

You have roughly a 1-in-20 chance to be born on this earth as an 'American'. It is simply a matter of random chance you were not born an HIV-infected black child in Africa.

It is wonderful to be all 'Rah-Rah' about this great country but this overtly nationalistic "America: Right or Wrong" crap is way over the top.

You may now proceed to question my patriotism.




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[zephyrprime]

On top of that, the endless talking with Iran without deploying crippling sanctions, apologizing to the world just sickens the average person like me.

This pretty much exemplifies how the public has a different opinion of Obama than of Bush even when Obama does the same fricken thing as Bush! You realize that Bush did the same thing concerning Iran, right? The Iran situation started with Bush in office and nothing's changed as far as iranian policy goes.

The reason why people think this way is largely due to some irrational "team mentality" that people have regarding politics. Also, people are easily fooled by tough talk. If you simply talk tough but don't act tough, many people will be fooled.

 

[alphatarget1]

I find this interesting ---- with no intent to 'flame'.

BTW --- How many of those 'wussie' Europeans died over the last 100 years defending themselves from fascism?

Are you talking about the same Europeans (mainly the French, British, Spanish, Dutch, etc) who screwed over countless numbers of people in their former colonies?

 

[heyheybooboo]

Are you talking about the same Europeans (mainly the French, British, Spanish, Dutch, etc) who screwed over countless numbers of people in their former colonies?

That would be a non sequitur .... but nice try, anyway.




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[Red Dawn]

I actually tend to somewhat agree with you on this point. Europe couldn't deal with problems in their own backyard (think Bosnia, Kosovo, etc) and we were the ones who stepped in.

Yeah good thing the Macho Republicans were in power to deal with that..oh wait, that was the pussy Democrat Clinton

 

[Moonbeam]

Republicans are folk who lack self knowledge and introspection. They are simple minded, inartistic, non-creative, inflexible, and pig headed. They are the culture's sheep, the folk who want to belong, who join teams. They live in terror of what they feel and have no idea that is their condition.

They live in terror of what they experienced as children and are by far the most repressed, sexually, and in every other way. It is this inner fear, this defensiveness, this hate of the self, that makes them tremendously dangerous to others. As the most psychologically sick and the farthest from recognizing the fact of their sickness, they are the most likely to strike out at others.

The terrified need to feel they are protected and worship authority and power. These are the fascists who are always looking for the next Hitler, the Brown Shirt folk among us.

 

[StageLeft]

Same vein: why do people associate republicans with fiscal conservative? It's a similar fantasy.

 

[Moonbeam]

This is our condition. We are terrified of truth. We therefore destroy anything truthful. In this way we create a lie we call life. We die because we live a lie.

Hehe, the poor fool never realizes he sows the seeds of his own destruction. We create what we fear. It's how the Germans destroyed themselves, how Israel is following along in their foot steps, and us too.

 

[Jaskalas]

Same vein: why do people associate republicans with fiscal conservative? It's a similar fantasy.

Republicans claim that they are something...
Democrats have claims made against them...

Apples and Oranges.

 

[alphatarget1]

Yeah good thing the Macho Republicans were in power to deal with that..oh wait, that was the pussy Democrat Clinton

I have/had no problems whatsoever with the Clinton presidency.

 

[Brainonska511]

We are the USA -- the beacon of freedom, who have fought and still fight despotism around the world and as such, shouldn't be apologizing to anyone for anything. There is no way our occassional "bad behavior" or preemption can ever be associated with decades of truly horrible behavior by real dictators that have committed and still commit unspeakable crimes against their own people that we have attempted to marginalize or defeat over the years.

Bottom line is, I just feel safer with a Republican in the CIC chair. I imagine Putin, Chavez, Amadinejad and even Sarkozy of France laughing at and mocking Obama behind his back. They may have hated Bush but at least they respected/feared him a bit. So...I guess I would rather my enemies fear me than like me.

Hahahahaha - you think we're some kind of world police that goes around deposing dictators and tyrannts? We put half of them into power and do what's convenient for ourselves - we don't really give a rat's ass about democracy world-wide.

As for the Chavez and Iran's president - who cares? They're just loud mouthpieces and use the US as a scapegoat for their countries' problems.

 

[brencat]

Wussies use things like reason and compromise. Tough guys use brute force and don't let things like facts and information sway them. So, that's why.

Reason and compromise only works when the other side is rational and intelligent. Our enemies generally are neither. Therefore brute force is often the only way to get their attention.

Has reason and compromise kept terrorism at bay? Changed Iran's pursuit of a nuclear weapon? Hell, we've basically offered to rebuild their country economically if they'd just give that up. But they won't. Because they're on a mission to become an entrenched theocracy and they see having nuclear weapons as critical to their regime's survival. And they're probably right too. But we can't let that happen...too much risk that one of those will end up exploding in Tel Aviv.

 

[brencat]

I'm guessing you are an 'America: Right or Wrong' kinda guy.

It is wonderful to be all 'Rah-Rah' about this great country but this overtly nationalistic "America: Right or Wrong" crap is way over the top.
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Actually I'm glad you brought this up. Yes, for the most part I am somewhat nationalistic. Every other country in the world looks out for their own selfish interests. I believe in American exceptionalism and I resent liberal thought which seems to suggest that America is no better than any other country in the world. I don't like that implied message from Obama nor others on the left and that is another thing that irks most Americans. Say it, project it, believe it...America is a GREAT country, the best in fact.

 

[yllus]

We are the USA -- the beacon of freedom, who have fought and still fight despotism around the world and as such, shouldn't be apologizing to anyone for anything.

Uh, okay. What's wrong with apologizing for things you do actually get wrong?

Bottom line is, I just feel safer with a Republican in the CIC chair. I imagine Putin, Chavez, Amadinejad and even Sarkozy of France laughing at and mocking Obama behind his back. They may have hated Bush but at least they respected/feared him a bit. So...I guess I would rather my enemies fear me than like me.

I've always enjoyed reading this interpretation of world leaders - that they're all just schoolboys at heart who love, fear or respect each other based on what trash talk gets said at recess. Bush said we were evil and he never said sorry about anything even once! Ooh, scary!

Yeah, I bet that's how evaluations of other nations get written up. All that economic and military might stuff is crap.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Actually I'm glad you brought this up. Yes, for the most part I am somewhat nationalistic. Every other country in the world looks out for their own selfish interests. I believe in American exceptionalism and I resent liberal thought which seems to suggest that America is no better than any other country in the world. I don't like that implied message from Obama nor others on the left and that is another thing that irks most Americans. Say it, project it, believe it...America is a GREAT country, the best in fact.

I gots no problems with that ...

I do have a problem with your implied fallacy of "...liberal thought which seems to suggest that America is no better than any other country in the world." Perhaps you will provide some linkage (or are you falsely labeling folks at ATP&N such as the OP)?

The overiding issue upon which we disagree is when that which is proclaimed in the 'national interest' is clearly manipulated with jingoistic flag-flying fervor. In that case our shit stinks, likewise.





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[umbrella39]

Soon Republicans will be forever associated with baggers

... and obstructionists concerned only with the other guy not looking good, continuing to fuck the country they ruined, and stand in the way of any and all potential fixes.