Democrats are spineless and weak

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
And to prove Shivetya is full of sh!t (as usual), the House Dems just introduced a bill 5 days ago holding the Iraqi government accountable to meet benchmarks while calling for a redeployment of troops by a specific date in 2008.

In a direct challenge to President Bush, House Democrats unveiled legislation Thursday requiring the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the fall of next year. The White House said Bush would veto it.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the deadline would be added to legislation providing nearly $100 billion the Bush administration has requested for fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

She told reporters the measure would mark the first time the new Democratic-controlled Congress has established a "date certain" for the end of U.S. combat in the four-year-old war that has claimed the lives of more than 3,100 U.S. troops.

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I susupect he would be complaining if they hadn't backed down also.

Originally posted by: Shivetya
People are tired of this damn war and the possible escalation and now they have backed down? Demoweenies.

So are you writing a letter to your congressmen telling them to support the proposed bill or are you just engaged in partisian hackery?

 

[First]

Spineless is no WMDs in Iraq, no Al Qaeda-Iraq link, no Niger-Iraq link, and 3200+ American soldiers dead while Cheney tells the American public everything is going well. Ann Coulter syndrome. Cure; unknown.

 

[wiin]

Really. He should be reading dailykos, the nyt, wapo n maureen dowd's website.

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Shivetya
http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/Davi...ms_can_cut_and_run,_but_they_cant_hide

So basically when push comes to shove they backed down? They won't do jack to stop Bush from going after Iran should he decide too?

Why do they think they have the majority? DUH! People are tired of this damn war and the possible escalation and now they have backed down? Demoweenies.

Oh gee, a website for your younger brother hero of Rush, David Limbaugh, I'm so surprised. :roll:

 

[Moonbeam]

Republicans committed treason by accusing their opposition, an opposing voice democracy depends on to function properly, of treason if they don't support the war. They hope to cause Democrats to fear being thought of a spineless and weak and cowards so Republicans can will all the elections. These horrible traitors did what McCarthy did to Democrats over Communism. They are the worst swine in the world. It's they we should blame.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Spineless is no WMDs in Iraq, no Al Qaeda-Iraq link, no Niger-Iraq link, and 3200+ American soldiers dead while Cheney tells the American public everything is going well. Ann Coulter syndrome. Cure; unknown.

I don't think I would call that being spineless, might call it being wrong.
Spineless would have been giving up the first time we met resistance. "Oh damn they are shooting at us... nevermind...."

 

[ProfJohn]

Back during the debate for the meaningless anti-surge resolution Dick Morris was on TV talking about what he thought the Republicans should do.

His advice was to let the Democrats have their meaningless resolution and then when Bush went ahead with the surge the anti-war types would demand further action.
And the end result would be the Democratic Party fighting amongst itself on what to do about Iraq.
Well here we see how right he was. The Democrats themselves can?t agree on a plan of how to oppose the war in Iraq, or even the possible escalation of the war into Iran.
All the Republicans need to do is sit back and watch the Democrats fight it out with themselves for the next two years. IF the Democrats stay as focused on Iraq as they are now then nothing else will get done in the meantime.

 

[will889]

Each party is as weak as it's weakest link. For the Republicans it's the Neocons, and the Dems the inability to take a hardline stance and stick with it when they need to. Both republicans and dems serve honorably in military service and in the pentagon. The 'Neocons' great sin besides the obvious huge lies in how they got us there in the fist place (not that dems don't lie either btw and weren't part of the big lie as well) were in fact attempting to sell this war as a conservative only agenda. The Neocons in the big house do NOT represent the real republican right. Nor are the Dems represented by the 'cut-and-run' weakness syndrome. All of that BS is propagated by partisan hacks at the extremes.

 

[Conky]

I have the decoder ring for this forum.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Spineless is no WMDs in Iraq, no Al Qaeda-Iraq link, no Niger-Iraq link, and 3200+ American soldiers dead while Cheney tells the American public everything is going well. Ann Coulter syndrome. Cure; unknown.

I don't think I would call that being spineless, might call it being wrong.
Spineless would have been giving up the first time we met resistance. "Oh damn they are shooting at us... nevermind...."

No, it's spineless because they cooked the intelligence from the beginning. That's spineless. Spineless is also continuing to fight a war most smart people knew would likely be a failure from the beginning. 4+ years later, guess what?

You should also never confuse decisiveness with the military-first idiocy of this administration. If you want to say they were decisively stupid, sure. At least Dems wanted reasoned dialog and tireless debate; even if less got done, at least the right things would get done.

 

[Moonbeam]

When you really, really really, really f@ck up you don't want to be spineless and weak by changing directions.

Never.

What you want to do is be really, really, really, really stupid and stay the course.

Spineless and weak is Republican speak for smart.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: senseamp
Dems don't need to do anything. The GOP is going to self destruct over Iraq in 2008 just like they did in 2006.
The best thing for the Democrats is if this war continues till 2008, so why should they do anything to stop that?
All they need to do is register their opposition to the war, and they have done that. Now the ball is in Bush's court. My guess is he'll throw his Republican pals under the bus again.

I think that is the whole point of the OP, is that the Democrats are no different than the Republicans, they are letting this go on for political reasons. All we have heard from the left is how the Democrats are going to come in and save the day, how much better they are than the Republicans, and how they are going to do what it takes to get us out of Iraq. Well, obviously they were wrong, the Dems are no better than the Republicans.

Democrats are going to come in and save the day. In 2008.
Cleaning up Iraq is the job of the President not Congress.
If you want Democrats to clean it up, you have to elect a Democrat president.

 

[will889]

Dems won't really clean anything up. They'll give the impression of ubiquitous unity, then the special interest groups will ensue forthright about a year from the election . The real dem center isn't represented anymore, nor are the republicans on their side. What happens is that the extreme of both parties surface, and representation of both are highly flawed. It's the corporations that run everything from right to left either directly or by proxy through elected officials. Just look at the Texas Governor trying to mandate the HPV shot to teenage girls -- being pushed behind the scenes by the drug companies and false data being spewed by CNN about the current 'projected' infection rates. It's about the cash, the quick take, the corporate push for everything, and finally the payoff at the end for elected official on both sides - be it the election (or re-election) itself, or by other means.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Spineless is no WMDs in Iraq, no Al Qaeda-Iraq link, no Niger-Iraq link, and 3200+ American soldiers dead while Cheney tells the American public everything is going well. Ann Coulter syndrome. Cure; unknown.

I don't think I would call that being spineless, might call it being wrong.
Spineless would have been giving up the first time we met resistance. "Oh damn they are shooting at us... nevermind...."

True, but as I always ask during debates on this exact subject, how many times can someone be wrong before you finally stop listening to them? How long do you continue allowing them to F things up royally before you finally do something to stop them?

The Dems are ratcheting up the pressure. Bush can ignore it all the way up until the point Congress finally pulls the plug by cutting the funding for Iraq. Despite all of W's bluster and BS about working with his opposition party, he'll fight to stay-the-course all the way to the bloody end because that's just the sort of tenacious idiot he is.