cytg111:
Sorry man. I've come to realize we pretty much want the same thing for the human condition, albeit from different angles. But this
"Truth can never die. The truth isn't a thing, an idea, a set of facts, a theory or proposition."
- Is just not true, and
M: Truth is only when you have met your true self.
"The truth is a conscious state of being, the result of an inner revelation that collapses duality"
- Is the spiritual aspect where you *always* lose me.
M: The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon. The words spiritual or mystical are only fingers. They are not the reality any more than the descriptions we read from woe connoisseurs are like you yourself tasting a vintage. He who tastes knows and only by that means.
We can also call these scientific psychological facts derived from internal observations. But only you can inwardly experience yourself. I would suggest that having such an experience, one thing becomes eminently clear, and it is that the truth is that anybody is capable of that experience. We are who we are and nothing can change that. This is true and therefore is true absolutely. Truth is only subjective when you haven’t experienced it. So you can’t but doubt and that is good, in my opinion. I would say, in fact, you don’t doubt enough.
c: To the topic at hand. There is no objective truth. That is just the sad scientific fact that we are dealing with. There is no truth.
There is your perception of reality.
There is my perception of reality.
The truth is where those two intersect in set theory. At the end of the day, there is no objective reality (even Einstein backtracked on that one).
Perceiving the above as true gives you a tool in the information warfare league, cause you know, no matter how flat earth ridiculous the lie is, if you can get enough people to believe it, it becomes true enough for you to achieve your true agenda, whatever that might be*. This is why you have graham acting like an idiot and Cruz a fucking fool, cause they understand this game, and the "conservative" media apparatus.
To the core of it: The truth can most certainly die.
I'd even go to say its almost dead already. We are just watching the last cramps.
SO. Stock up on shells and canned food, get ready to kiss some Nazi ass. Whatever.
*) edit and this is where it dawns on us, that they have no agenda, besides more power to themselves, more status, more money, bigger titles ... and that the entire process is strangling the common folk in the process, ie. killing democracy. Cruz dont want to kill democracy, he dont want to be that guy, but the pocket he is in, the quest for power? He dont see it.
long rant. sorry.
M: No no, I love your rant. But it just proves you have not accepted what you say. Your answer to the truth is guns rather than acceptance. You are holding on to a desire that truth not die. But truth, your truth is dead. Your perception of reality is tragic, that truth is dead and it makes you bitter and sad because you do not want to face the hopelessness of a world that is morally empty. Why?
My perception of the world is that it is morally empty. There is no good or evil. There is no hope and only endless empty despair, and all on my wishes it be otherwise are utterly and completely useless. The universe is cold and empty and our hopes for love are all in vane.
Why do you struggle, why do you hurt when you know it is all in vane? To be or not to be…. how can you be in the face of that. There is only one truth and it is to die, to give up, to surrender, to know the utter finality of despair.
Perhaps the truth is that which remains when you have lost everything that can be taken, when you actually see and acknowledge the awful realization there is no trutho tell me what it is that remains?
What is when all belief and hope is actually dead, and when that is finally accepted.
What did the Zen Master mean when he said that only the empty cup can be filled. Could it be you do not accept the truth you see, that the universe is empty of meaning, that you anger is there because you resist the death of hope and meaning?
When with tiring fingers, clinging to roots growing on a sheer cliff, tigers above and below, you may notice a strawberry growing there the taste of which will be divine. Pluck andeat iy please.
"Truth can never die. The truth isn't a thing, an idea, a set of facts, a theory or proposition."
- Is just not true, and
M: Truth is only when you have met your true self.
C: It is a logical fact on which I build my entire perception of reality on, as a matter of physics, mathematics, logical deduction, there can be no objective truth unless you introduce that of a narrator ie. god and I dont roll with that.
M: The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon. The words spiritual or mystical are only fingers. They are not the reality any more than the descriptions we read from woe connoisseurs are like you yourself tasting a vintage. He who tastes knows and only by that means.
- See, you say something like this and I think you understand what I am saying.
M: We can also call these scientific psychological facts derived from internal observations. But only you can inwardly experience yourself. I would suggest that having such an experience, one thing becomes eminently clear, and it is that the truth is that anybody is capable of that experience. We are who we are and nothing can change that. This is true and therefore is true absolutely. Truth is only subjective when you haven’t experienced it. So you can’t but doubt and that is good, in my opinion. I would say, in fact, you don’t doubt enough.
- And here it is, from a logical standpoint, the entropy your specific neural configuration burned up making that realization is unique to you, and you alone, nothing the universe, per logical fact, can reproduce it. There is you saying HEY I had a sensation, did you too? And me answering YES I Did .. what did you feel? -> and thus the definition of the shared set in set theory begins its approximation. This is how our reality works. 100%.
M: No no, I love your rant. But it just proves you have not accepted what you say. Your answer to the truth is guns rather than acceptance. You are holding on to a desire that truth not die. But truth, your truth is dead. Your perception of reality is tragic, that truth is dead and it makes you bitter and sad because you do not want to face the hopelessness of a world that is morally empty. Why?
- Cause I've sene acceptence get snuffed out. Acceptence wont save you in a gun fight. It is that simple. The iterations the cosmos proceeds through, the evolution of species, natural selection, nothing of that NOTHING of that relates to empathy at all, empathy is an abstract something we choose to have meaning, if we can agree on it, and build on top of that. And some1's is out to snuff that empathy out, and yes, I will be the sword, I will be the spear, I have seen the future my kids can have as free and I can see the probability of an alternative realtity coming ever more likely. I dread what is coming. And I am gonna do my part.
My perception of the world is that it is morally empty. There is no good or evil. There is no hope and only endless empty despair, and all on my wishes it be otherwise are utterly and completely useless. The universe is cold and empty and our hopes for love are all in vane.
- 100%. The universe IS morally empty. We make it otherwise. We are the creators. What is the definition of a god? Someone that creates right? I can only point to one creature on this planet that creates.
Why do you struggle, why do you hurt when you know it is all in vane? To be or not to be…. how can you be in the face of that. There is only one truth and it is to die, to give up, to surrender, to know the utter finality of despair.
- Cause I dont give up. Ever. You'd have to kill me. And then kill me again. And again.
Perhaps the truth is that which remains when you have lost everything that can be taken, when you actually see and acknowledge the awful realization there is no trutho tell me what it is that remains?
- Dude I've been there. Litterally staring down the barrel. You realize that this is not about you but the people that depends on you, people that loves you, that you yourself holds most dear to your heart.
Love makes us fight.
What is when all belief and hope is actually dead, and when that is finally accepted.
What did the Zen Master mean when he said that only the empty cup can be filled. Could it be you do not accept the truth you see, that the universe is empty of meaning, that you anger is there because you resist the death of hope and meaning?
- Yes. Good acid trip. Back to reality where idiots is trying to kill your way of life.
When with tiring fingers, clinging to roots growing on a sheer cliff, tigers above and below, you may notice a strawberry growing there the taste of which will be divine. Pluck andeat it please.
- It is not that I dont understand it, it is that it is heavily misplaced misused given that we are seconds away from dangling at the end of a rope. You can be right in all of the above and be dead at the same time.
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