Democrats and Republicans need to unite against a common enemy.....

[boomerang]

You are a Republican and what you are describing here is the fact that democracy is dead. I am a liberal and I see mostly the same thing. Naturally, I am not exactly the liberal you describe and fear. I don't want to take your guns so your fear that liberals will sounds like one of the many peripheral issues ginned up by those smart politicians to divide us to me.

I don't fear liberals. You are projecting and you have fixated on one aspect of my post that is tangential to the issue. You hope that the electorate can somehow convince the political class that they have the ultimate power over them and that the political class must acquiesce to the wishes of the electorate when that power has been nearly stripped from them. Your conversations are within their domain of power, they can seize your bank accounts for virtually no reason and pound their way through your front door if that's what they decide they need to do. The coffee has been brewing for quite some time. When are you going to smell it?

The power now only is contained within the Constitution through the Article V process. The framers, having been taught history and lived through a portion themselves knew that government would at some point need to be reined in. Realizing that the political class could achieve enough power to ignore the authority of the Constitution the framers gave the people the power to defend themselves. It's called a backup plan. Plan B. The SHTF plan. However you wish to term it.

Another option is to go through life like the woman who cuts my hair. She is as unpolitical as a person could ever be. She is always happy. Go figure.

With a huge percentage of people within our borders feeling that Venezuela was an experiment that went just a little too far, and me actually understanding what went on there and what is going on there, I think she's a moron. But a happy one, but one armed with scissors.

 

[First]

With a huge percentage of people within our borders feeling that Venezuela was an experiment that went just a little too far, and me actually understanding what went on there and what is going on there, I think she's a moron. But a happy one, but one armed with scissors.

Indeed, I'm sure all those years of formal gym management education prepared you well for grasping the politics and economics of the country of Venezuela.

 

[First]

moony voted trump? no way.

Say it ain't so. Mooney, fo realz?

 

[dank69]

I don't fear liberals. You are projecting and you have fixated on one aspect of my post that is tangential to the issue. You hope that the electorate can somehow convince the political class that they have the ultimate power over them and that the political class must acquiesce to the wishes of the electorate when that power has been nearly stripped from them. Your conversations are within their domain of power, they can seize your bank accounts for virtually no reason and pound their way through your front door if that's what they decide they need to do. The coffee has been brewing for quite some time. When are you going to smell it?

The power now only is contained within the Constitution through the Article V process. The framers, having been taught history and lived through a portion themselves knew that government would at some point need to be reined in. Realizing that the political class could achieve enough power to ignore the authority of the Constitution the framers gave the people the power to defend themselves. It's called a backup plan. Plan B. The SHTF plan. However you wish to term it.

Another option is to go through life like the woman who cuts my hair. She is as unpolitical as a person could ever be. She is always happy. Go figure.

With a huge percentage of people within our borders feeling that Venezuela was an experiment that went just a little too far, and me actually understanding what went on there and what is going on there, I think she's a moron. But a happy one, but one armed with scissors.

Right you don't fear liberals you just fear that our country will soon be like Venezuela. But not because of liberals or liberal policies.

 

[alien42]

With a huge percentage of people within our borders feeling that Venezuela was an experiment that went just a little too far, and me actually understanding what went on there and what is going on there

dude, seriously, the majority of Americans couldn't even correctly identify Venezuela on a map. the percentage of Americans who have even a cursory grasp on Venezuela's politics, social system and culture is very very small.

 

[boomerang]

dude, seriously, the majority of Americans couldn't even correctly identify Venezuela on a map. the percentage of Americans who have even a cursory grasp on Venezuela's politics, social system and culture is very very small.

Assuming that excludes you, what do you see going on in Venezuela and what do you attribute it to? They are experiencing shortages of food and water and electricity are being rationed. Their people are rioting in the streets. This, in a nation with the highest oil reserves in the world.

How do your news sources explain this?

 

[ivwshane]

Assuming that excludes you, what do you see going on in Venezuela and what do you attribute it to? The are experiencing shortages of food and water and electricity are being rationed. Their people are rioting in the streets. This, in a nation with the highest oil reserves in the world.

How do your news sources explain this?

Widespread corruption and low oil prices. Kind of why Russia is shit right now.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't fear liberals. You are projecting and you have fixated on one aspect of my post that is tangential to the issue. You hope that the electorate can somehow convince the political class that they have the ultimate power over them and that the political class must acquiesce to the wishes of the electorate when that power has been nearly stripped from them. Your conversations are within their domain of power, they can seize your bank accounts for virtually no reason and pound their way through your front door if that's what they decide they need to do. The coffee has been brewing for quite some time. When are you going to smell it?

The power now only is contained within the Constitution through the Article V process. The framers, having been taught history and lived through a portion themselves knew that government would at some point need to be reined in. Realizing that the political class could achieve enough power to ignore the authority of the Constitution the framers gave the people the power to defend themselves. It's called a backup plan. Plan B. The SHTF plan. However you wish to term it.

Another option is to go through life like the woman who cuts my hair. She is as unpolitical as a person could ever be. She is always happy. Go figure.

With a huge percentage of people within our borders feeling that Venezuela was an experiment that went just a little too far, and me actually understanding what went on there and what is going on there, I think she's a moron. But a happy one, but one armed with scissors.

Well OK. But personally I can't see hiding behind some sweetly enlightened lady who managed somehow to grow up care and paranoia free, just because she has a pair of scissors. From where I'm standing I'm more aware of the Nazi Germany that's happening right before my eyes than I am a Venezuela. Again, I think what you are saying is that you have been taught not to address the loss of democracy to moneyed interests by being titillated with other fears first. I am a liberal and I oppose the authoritarian left. To me they are just more of the violent reaction to the loss of democracy to the rich. I think all forms of radicalism are the result of not having a voice. It's all caused by the callous indifference of the lust for money and power of the few. Thank you for expressing your opinions.

 

[alien42]

Assuming that excludes you, what do you see going on in Venezuela and what do you attribute it to? They are experiencing shortages of food and water and electricity are being rationed. Their people are rioting in the streets. This, in a nation with the highest oil reserves in the world.

How do your news sources explain this?

i can point to Venezuela on a map and i do have very cursory knowledge of their history, so you know more about Venezuela than me, congrats. that doesn't validate your opinion of whatever point you are trying to make however. i have traveled to enough third world countries to have a firm grasp that no comparison can be made between them and the United States.

that being said, isn't this thread is about the Republican's and Democrat's common enemy, Trump?

 

[boomerang]

Widespread corruption and low oil prices. Kind of why Russia is shit right now.

So Chavez attempting to turn Venezuela into a socialist paradise and the continuation of those efforts by Maduro, no effect? Chavez nationalizing the oil industry, agriculture, transportation, power generation, steel production, as well as other major industries factored in, not at all? If not for corruption and low oil prices, they'd be humming along fat dumb and happy" That's not even close to being realistic.

But let's run with it a little bit. Are we experiencing corruption within our government? Enough to be concerned about? Guess not, eh? And about those oil prices. What detrimental effects on the scale of those happening in Venezuela are happening in North Dakota? Food shortages, rioting, rationing? Maybe the feds are bailing out the state on a large scale? I haven't heard anything about that, what about you, heard anything?

Venezuela ranks 157th in economic freedom. That's last place. So from that we know that Socialism works as long as corruption is kept in check and oil prices remain high?

 

[alien42]

Are we experiencing corruption within our government? Enough to be concerned about?

yes, we have never in the history of this great nation ever seen the level of corruption as we are currently experiencing with the Trump administration and we are only a few months in.

odd, one would think you would have a problem with that.

 

[alien42]

anti-socialism rant based purely on Venezuela

hey i know, why don't we talk about Denmark, Finland and the Netherlands, i hear they are horribly corrupt.

 

[boomerang]

Right you don't fear liberals you just fear that our country will soon be like Venezuela. But not because of liberals or liberal policies.

If our country ends up like Venezuela it will be because of progressives. Most liberals have a degree of intelligence that helps them understand that shooting themselves in the foot hurts. Progressives are too ignorant to understand that the methodologies they embrace that they believe will lead them towards utopia have been tried and dismissed because they not just failed but led to the death of nearly a hundred million in the last century alone.

But I fully understand that you may very well have been taught the opposite during the course of your education. If you're ignorant of this, it's not your fault it's because that's what you were taught.

If we didn't end up like Venezuela under 0bama, a Sanders or a Warren aren't going to get it done either. Sanders is a idealist that couldn't change our system no matter how hard he tried. Warren thrives on the corruption of the system and has gamed it every chance she's had. She's not interested in changing it, she's interested in siphoning off as much of it as she can for herself. Both of them say the pretty words that make the hearts of people like yourself soar and that's about all it takes to keep your attention.

 

[JSt0rm]

If our country ends up like Venezuela it will be because of progressives..

so then you are afraid of progressives...

that makes you a retar

 

[ivwshane]

so then you are afraid of progressives...

that makes you a retar

Sounds like he's afraid of Republicans considering they run all three branches of government and most local governments. Yet somehow this country's woes are the result of Democrat policies.

The bubble this guy lives in...

 

[JSt0rm]

sounds like he is a little bitch to me.

 

[Jaskalas]

If our country ends up like Venezuela it will be because of progressives

Progressives are too ignorant to understand that the methodologies they embrace

Methods such as? Economically, my primary goal is to return America to the income inequality the Baby Boomers enjoyed.

See the America that was, the golden era post-war America where you could pump gas and support a family was NOT a communist or socialist utopia. It was America, Capitalism at its best in history. We have since strayed FAR from that country we once were, far from a time where working meant living. Really living and following the American dream. Which, btw, is all but dead today.

American workers today do not take home their share of the wealth and value of their country. Not as they once did.

$15 an hour wouldn't close the gap. It's still less than they used to earn. Today workers are getting screwed badly and their lack of value is stripping away their ability to participate in the economy as consumers. Which ripples down with depressionary influence on everyone else's employment. This is a vicious cycle.

So as I was saying. My primary concern is resolving and reversing that destructive trend. HOWEVER... that forces us into a realization. What does tomorrow bring? Automation and unemployment. But maybe that's a story for next time. For now, chew on the FACT that America is a shell of its former self and it's entirely based on income inequality. It's a Capitalist problem with a Capitalist solution. No communism or socialism needed, unless you want to tell us that taxes are socialism. That would be a problem for you.