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Democrats and "black" churches .....

JDub02

JDub02

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I'm trying to figure out why no one gets upset when Kerry or other Democrats campaign in black churches ... and by campaign, I don't mean attending; I mean standing in the pulpit and giving a campaign speech.

Liberals throw a hissy fit when the 10 Commandments are displayed outside of a courtroom, but Democrats can stand in the pulpit on Sunday morning and give a campaign speech and that's just fine?!?! How is that? Where are Americans United for the Separation of Church and State?


I have no problems with the Church getting influencing politics, but politics should definately stay out of the Church.
 
Originally posted by: JDub02

Where are Americans United for the Separation of Church and State?


I have no problems with the Church getting influencing politics
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Try making some sense please.

 
Black Churches are more of a community gathering place than churches of other races, further, since such a huge % of blacks are Democrats, there are very few members that will protest the use of their church in such a fashion.
 
There is nothing wrong with campaigning in a black church. What is wrong is when you run the country based on your own interpretation of God's will for the people.
 
It isn't separation of church and state that is a problem. It is protection of the church from the state and protection of the state from the church. Big difference. Of course both intermingle all of the time. They aren't and won't be completely separate. But one should not rule the other.
 
As pliablemoose suggested, they go to black churches more as envoys to the black community than to the religious community.
 
Originally posted by: umbrella39
There is nothing wrong with campaigning in a black church. What is wrong is when you run the country based on your own interpretation of God's will for the people.
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:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: umbrella39
There is nothing wrong with campaigning in a black church.
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Only that it violates federal tax laws. Other than that, no problem.
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It seems to endanger the tax exempt status of conservative churches only.

Got your voting guide yet?
 
Originally posted by: Gravity
Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: umbrella39
There is nothing wrong with campaigning in a black church.
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Only that it violates federal tax laws. Other than that, no problem.
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It seems to endanger the tax exempt status of conservative churches only.

Got your voting guide yet?
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Hell, the tax empempt status is something I have NEVER agreed on so you are preaching to the choir. (pun inteneded 🙂 )
 
Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: umbrella39
There is nothing wrong with campaigning in a black church.
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Only that it violates federal tax laws. Other than that, no problem.
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Really? Which laws? Oops, none of them, I'm certain. A church is free to invite any speaker they wish to choose on any topic on any topic they choose. Government cannot say who can speak and who cannot, or what can be said and what cannot, especially in church. That is a crucial part of the separation, just as much as not posting religious laws (which are not the laws of our nation) on government courthouses.

Bush has campaigned from dozens of pulpits. Why is that not a problem? Or is the problem that Kerry is campaigning from black pulpits? Seriously.

Before the left came along, there was no right. There was just America.
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Revising history, are we? Left and right have existed as long as there has been America. Federalists and Anti-federalists, North and South, Abolitionists and Pro-Slavery, on and on.
 
Originally posted by: umbrella39
There is nothing wrong with campaigning in a black church. What is wrong is when you run the country based on your own interpretation of God's will for the people.
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Bingo . . . as someone else noted the separation of church and state provides protection for everyone involved. Instead we have a particular agenda (allegedly Christian radical right) trying to drive public policy.

 
Originally posted by: Vic
Bush has campaigned from dozens of pulpits. Why is that not a problem? Or is the problem that Kerry is campaigning from black pulpits? Seriously.
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Problem is that Kerry claims to be Catholic, then attends a Sunday service with Baptists, Methodists, or other rather than a Catholic ceremony.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Vic
Bush has campaigned from dozens of pulpits. Why is that not a problem? Or is the problem that Kerry is campaigning from black pulpits? Seriously.
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Problem is that Kerry claims to be Catholic, then attends a Sunday service with Baptists, Methodists, or other rather than a Catholic ceremony.
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That's a pretty reaching argument against him being there.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Vic
Bush has campaigned from dozens of pulpits. Why is that not a problem? Or is the problem that Kerry is campaigning from black pulpits? Seriously.
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Problem is that Kerry claims to be Catholic, then attends a Sunday service with Baptists, Methodists, or other rather than a Catholic ceremony.
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Oh... so now you'd give the government the power to force an individual to stay with a particular denomination once that individual chooses one? This is ridiculous...

 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: umbrella39
There is nothing wrong with campaigning in a black church.
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Only that it violates federal tax laws. Other than that, no problem.
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Really? Which laws? Oops, none of them, I'm certain. A church is free to invite any speaker they wish to choose on any topic on any topic they choose. Government cannot say who can speak and who cannot, or what can be said and what cannot, especially in church. That is a crucial part of the separation, just as much as not posting religious laws (which are not the laws of our nation) on government courthouses.

Bush has campaigned from dozens of pulpits. Why is that not a problem? Or is the problem that Kerry is campaigning from black pulpits? Seriously.
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Your certain? Better look it up. A church can forfeit its tax exempt status. Tax laws restrict churches and tax-exempt charities from supporting political candidates. I would provide you some links but it would probably do you good to do a little research yourself.
 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Vic
Bush has campaigned from dozens of pulpits. Why is that not a problem? Or is the problem that Kerry is campaigning from black pulpits? Seriously.
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Problem is that Kerry claims to be Catholic, then attends a Sunday service with Baptists, Methodists, or other rather than a Catholic ceremony.
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That's a pretty reaching argument against him being there.
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Uh yeah. That is a real nice stretch. I am Catholic and was unaware it is illegal to attend other churches. I have atteneded services of many different denominations over the years. It is enlightening to watch how other people worship God. I suggest you try it sometime as opposed to balking at things you seem to know nothing about.
 
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Vic
Bush has campaigned from dozens of pulpits. Why is that not a problem? Or is the problem that Kerry is campaigning from black pulpits? Seriously.
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Problem is that Kerry claims to be Catholic, then attends a Sunday service with Baptists, Methodists, or other rather than a Catholic ceremony.
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That's a pretty reaching argument against him being there.
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Uh yeah. That is a real nice stretch. I am Catholic and was unaware it is illegal to attend other churches. I have atteneded services of many different denominations over the years. It is enlightening to watch how other people worship God. I suggest you try it sometime as opposed to balking at things you seem to know nothing about.
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I'm Catholic and I've been been a MOSQUE. :shocked: EXCOMMUNICATION!!!
 
Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: umbrella39
There is nothing wrong with campaigning in a black church.
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Only that it violates federal tax laws. Other than that, no problem.
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Really? Which laws? Oops, none of them, I'm certain. A church is free to invite any speaker they wish to choose on any topic on any topic they choose. Government cannot say who can speak and who cannot, or what can be said and what cannot, especially in church. That is a crucial part of the separation, just as much as not posting religious laws (which are not the laws of our nation) on government courthouses.

Bush has campaigned from dozens of pulpits. Why is that not a problem? Or is the problem that Kerry is campaigning from black pulpits? Seriously.
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Your certain? Better look it up. A church can forfeit its tax exempt status. Tax laws restrict churches and tax-exempt charities from supporting political candidates. I would provide you some links but it would probably do you good to do a little research yourself.
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Link to articles where this church has publically endorsed either of the candidates please.
 
Curiously the televangelists do it every week. I remember one guy claiming that Bush was "morally" and "spiritually" correct to invade Iraq. I think he should have called that sermon . . . what's the LAST thing Jesus would do.
 
Originally posted by: umbrella39
There is nothing wrong with campaigning in a black church. What is wrong is when you run the country based on your own interpretation of God's will for the people.
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The blacks probably like the Democrats so much because 16,000 of them didn't have their votes counted in Florida because of the Republicans. It must make them feel sub-human. It really disgusted me to hear that. It was like we had travelled 50 years back in time.
 
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