Democratic Rep. Ellison launches into tirade on Fox News

[Ausm]

How did Obama kill it? Did he veto it? Please provide a citation for your claim.

You will be waiting a while for that one.

 

[Fern]

How did Obama kill it? Did he veto it? Please provide a citation for your claim.

It's in Woodward's book. I've already provided links to this info several times. But here ya go again:

In July 2011, House Speaker John Boehner led Republicans to pass a proposal that would have raised the debt ceiling in two votes - the first occurring in 2011, the second occurring in the middle of the 2012 presidential race.

Hoping to avoid another high-stakes political fight in the midst if an election year, the president opposed the plan and expressed his concern with congressional leaders *and White House aides* in their private meetings, according to the longtime Washington Post reporter and editor.

“Adopting his law professor manner,” Woodward writes, Obama asked “Could I actually veto it?...What would happen on the day of the veto? The day after?”

On the one hand, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner warned of an economic disaster.

“You can’t veto,” Geithner told the president, according to the book. “You cannot be responsible for default.”

Then, Woodward writes, “Anything had to be done to prevent it. Anything to preserve the global economy."

On the other hand, Obama was faced with appearing politically weak and bowing down to Republican demands in one of Washington's most high-profile stalemates.

According to the book, David Plouffe, Obama’s senior political adviser, said, “If he caves, it will have long-lasting political repercussions that we may never get out of. If we draw a line in the sand on something this important and cross it, we may never be able to come back.”

The book also details Obama's frustration as he tried to convince congressional leaders to change the plan, one that even Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid was behind. Woodward reports that the president called Boehner one night to urge him to back down from the agreement.

Woodward writes that Obama was “furious” and told Boehner he was not going to sign a bill that required him to deal with the debt ceiling a second time before the election.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/09/new-woodward-book-goes-in-depth-on-debt-battle/

Fern

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Well if we've learned anything over the last few days if Bob Woodward says it it must be true.

Edit: Plus there's this little nugget that apparently popped up yesterday:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blo...ester-and-the-death-of-the-grand-bargain.html

 

[ivwshane]

It's in Woodward's book. I've already provided links to this info several times. But here ya go again:



http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/09/new-woodward-book-goes-in-depth-on-debt-battle/

Fern

I don't know if you are being dishonest or what but right in your link there is this little nugget:

Ultimately, the president did not have to make a decision on whether to veto that version of the bill. Republicans dropped the two-vote measure as part of the deal that Congress reached on July 31, two days before default deadline.

Wanting to do something is not the same as doing something.

 

[werepossum]

I don't know if you are being dishonest or what but right in your link there is this little nugget:


Wanting to do something is not the same as doing something.

I don't know the truth of the matter and I have no faith in Woodward, but it's possible to kill it without vetoing it. Convincing the Democrats to drop support would kill it; so would convincing Boehner that his bill would be vetoed if he thought that would be politically damaging to him. And if Gonad's blog is to be trusted, so would demanding an additional 50% increase in taxes.

 

[Smoblikat]

Keith Ellison is a hero

Bravo for tearing Hannity a new one

I like the part when he asked about the other 10 trillion in debt............Hussein has given us 6.5T in debt in his 4-5 years in office, yet it took 42 other men hundreds of years to get us to 10T.

Ya....hes SO fiscal.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I don't know the truth of the matter and I have no faith in Woodward, but it's possible to kill it without vetoing it. Convincing the Democrats to drop support would kill it; so would convincing Boehner that his bill would be vetoed if he thought that would be politically damaging to him. And if Gonad's blog is to be trusted, so would demanding an additional 50% increase in taxes.

How about "proposing?" And it's pretty evident by his own admission that Cantor killed it, along with a little help from Mr. Malarkey.

 

[WackyDan]

Keith Ellison is a hero

Bravo for tearing Hannity a new one

What did Hannity claim that was in error?

 

[Incorruptible]

I like the part when he asked about the other 10 trillion in debt............Hussein has given us 6.5T in debt in his 4-5 years in office, yet it took 42 other men hundreds of years to get us to 10T.

Ya....hes SO fiscal.

That POS ellison is a pathetic shill for obama. He cant stand that his precious obama is being criticized

 

[Conscript]

Ellison came across as an ignorant and unstatemen-like...im not shocked the dems are calling him a hero. Sign of our times and why the country is where it is.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Keith Ellison is a hero

Bravo for tearing Hannity a new one

What did Hannity claim that was in error?

Everything he said except the amount of the debt.

That is real and not 100% Obama's fault.

Much of it is still Bush and the Republicans fault for putting the Country in this situation to begin with.

 

[Incorruptible]

Ellison came across as an ignorant and unstatemen-like...im not shocked the dems are calling him a hero. Sign of our times and why the country is where it is.

ellison is typical of the liberals who cant debate and resort to name calling and ranting when there losing

 

[dmcowen674]

ellison is typical of the liberals who cant debate and resort to name calling and ranting when there losing

Bush is no longer in the Oval Office.

 

[Incorruptible]

Bush is no longer in the Oval Office.

So then why do you guys still keep bringing him up every time someone attacks the POS obama?

 

[Matt1970]

Much of it is still Bush and the Republicans fault for putting the Country in this situation to begin with.

There you go again. Bush didn't cause the housing market crash.

Bush, 14 years of Presidency and counting.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

There you go again. Bush didn't cause the housing market crash.

Um, yeah, about that...
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/21admin.html?_r=1

 

[Incorruptible]

Um, yeah, about that...
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/21admin.html?_r=1

My turn. You forgot to add clinton

http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/hotproperty/archives/2008/02/clintons_drive.html

And ellison is still pure garbage and a POS

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Bush is no longer in the Oval Office.

So then why do you guys still keep bringing him up every time someone attacks the POS obama?

Because your idiot hero Bush is the one that caused all this crap that you blame on Obama and calling him a POS.

The real POS is your hero Bush.

But you already know that.

 

[dmcowen674]

My turn. You forgot to add clinton

http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/hotproperty/archives/2008/02/clintons_drive.html

And ellison is still pure garbage and a POS

The fact Ellison gets under your flaming Republican Ass skin makes him a hero. :thumbsup:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by Matt1970
There you go again. Bush didn't cause the housing market crash.

Um, yeah, about that...
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/21admin.html?_r=1

As much as the Republican shills in here and on Fox et al try and re-write history, the real history books and articles will always point the way to their lies.

 

[Matt1970]

Um, yeah, about that...
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/21admin.html?_r=1

Oh damn, all those experts that put the largest share of the blame on the repeal of Glass-Steagall got it wrong. I am so glad a columnist from the NY Times came out to correct them all.

 

[Incorruptible]

what Corruptable is saying.




what Corruptable is thinking.

I am not a republican though, this is about the fact that these liberal/progressive idiots refuse to debate the issues and prefer name calling. By the way I dont have any respect for that disgusting piece of shit ellison anymore

 

[PokerGuy]

Oh damn, all those experts that put the largest share of the blame on the repeal of Glass-Steagall got it wrong. I am so glad a columnist from the NY Times came out to correct them all.

hehehe, yeah, someone with such credibility as a columnist for that rag must be correct. Dang it, and here we were listening to people who actually knew what they were talking about when instead we just have just been listening to that NYT moron. :biggrin:

 

[Fern]

I don't know if you are being dishonest or what but right in your link there is this little nugget:


Wanting to do something is not the same as doing something.

Did you see this part?

Woodward writes that Obama was “furious” and told Boehner he was not going to sign a bill that required him to deal with the debt ceiling a second time before the election.

Why would Boehner even bother after Obama told him that?

Even if the House passed the the two-part bill, no way Reid was going to let it come to a vote in the Senate. Anybody thinking otherwise is nuts. Seriously, before an election the Democrats in the Senate defy the (Democratic) President? That's so absurd.

Obama killed it, and because the Senate is Democratically controlled he didn't need a veto.

Fern