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Democratic polling firm says Obama would lose if vote today

ProfJohn

ProfJohn

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Duh!!!

Here is a Democratic polling firm saying that Obama would lose to Romney is the election was held today.

We are still a year away from the election. And Obama is in BIG trouble. If the economy doesn't start to improve he is doomed. The longer unemployment stays high and growth stays low the more people will turn away from him.

*Update*
New source for those who want to attack the Washington Times

This is a Democratic affiliated polling agency!!
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_720925.pdf
For the first time since last July Barack Obama does not lead Mitt Romney in PPP's monthly national poll on the 2012 Presidential race. Romney has now pulled into a tie with the President at 45%.

Obama's approval rating this month is 46% with 48% of voters disapproving of him. There are 2 things particularly troubling in his numbers: independents split against him by a 44/49 margin, and 16% of Democrats are unhappy with the job he's doing while only 10% of Republicans give him good marks.
Romney takes advantage of those 2 points of weakness for Obama. He leads the President by 9 points with independents at 46-37. And he earns more crossover support, getting 13% of the Democratic vote while only 8% of Republicans are behind Obama.

An extremely wide electability gap has developed between Romney and all the rest of the Republican candidates. Everyone else we tested trails Obama by at least as much as John McCain's 2008 margin of defeat and in most cases more. Obama's up 7 on Michele Bachmann at 48-41, 9 against Tim Pawlenty at 48-39, 12 versus Herman Cain at 48-36, and as usual has his largest lead in a match up with Sarah Palin at 53-37.

Here's an important note on all of this early 2012 polling: Obama's numbers are worse than they appear to be on the surface. The vast majority of the undecideds in all of these match ups disapprove of the job Obama's doing but aren't committing to a candidate yet while they wait to see how the Republican field shakes out. For instance if you allocate the undecides based on their approval/disapprove of Obama, Romney would lead 52-48.

“There’s a very good chance Barack Obama would lose if he had to stand for reelection today,” said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “This is his worst poll standing in a long time and he really needs the economy to start turning around.”
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog...21/poll-weakened-obama-would-lose-vote-today/
A Democratic polling firm said President Obama's already weak job-approval numbers are "worse than they appear" and he likely would lose the election if it were held today.

For the first time in a year, Mr. Obama does not lead former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in Public Policy Polling's monthly national poll on the 2012 presidential race. They are tied at 45 percent, and Mr. Obama is losing among independent voters by a margin of 49 percent to 44 percent.

Worse for Mr. Obama, PPP said, the "vast majority" of undecideds disapprove of the president's performance. The survey of registered voters was conducted July 15-17.

"There's a very good chance Barack Obama would lose if he had to stand for re-election today," said Dean Debnam, president of PPP. "This is his worst poll standing in a long time, and he really needs the economy to start turning around."

In an interview this week with a Kansas City, Mo., TV station, Mr. Obama said the election will be more about his record than the platform of the eventual Republican nominee.

"Americans understand that we didn't get into this problem overnight," Mr. Obama told KMBC-TV, one of three interviews he gave to regional TV outlets at the White House on Wednesday. "If next November they feel like I've ... been working as hard as I can and have been getting some things done to move us in the right direction, then I'll win. If they don't, then I'll lose."
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At least he is honest about his chances.

If things are moving in the right direction he may win, but if they aren't he is toast.
 
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Polls in 2007 also had Obama losing in 2008.

Do you really need to keep embarrassing yourself? Haven't you already shown that you know absolutely nothing about elections other than that you always predict Republicans will win them?

There's no way you can be this dumb, you have to be getting paid.
 
Posting in a Professional JohnBoy thread.

BTW, ... nice Washington Times link there...
 
LMAO. FFS son, wake the fuck up already. (and stop posting btw kthx bai)

Romney won't even carry MICHIGAN much less the country. I prefer your off colored psuedopedo posts in L&R much better. Try to avoid making any stupid predictions again this upcoming election season. There is no senate race..............................
 
ProfJohn said:
Duh!!!

Here is a Democratic polling firm saying that Obama would lose to Romney is the election was held today.
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LOL, I guess it is a good thing the election isn't today then isn't it? You do know it still is over a year away, right?

Didn't we do this a couple of times 1-2 months ago, when you started threads showing that a poll said that various GOP candidates would win? You had a couple of threads that were like "That's it Romney beats Obama", then it was "That's it, Perry beats Obama" or something like that. And didn't we all shoot you down showing how inaccurate polls this early are?

So why are you posting more of the same BS again?

Just for you and others, here is the wiki leak again:
Link

Polls this early mean nothing. Nothing. Come back in ~14 months.
 
Poll is meaningless this far away from the election, not to mention the usual problems with polls like this in general.

If gas prices go down and unemployment is reduced to 5% the month prior to the election, Obama will win even if he goes Howard Dean on us.
 
Schadenfroh said:
Poll is meaningless this far away from the election, not to mention the usual problems with polls like this in general.

If gas prices go down and unemployment is reduced to 5% the month prior to the election, Obama will win even if he goes Howard Dean on us.
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I think I made that point.

If the election was held today Obama losses.
If things stay the same or get worse in the next year Obama losses.

His only hope is for the economy to improve over the next year.

Anything else and he losses.


And another reason to post this is because a large number of posters on here believe that Obama can not lose to any Republican. And this proves that idea false.
 
ProfJohn said:
I think I made that point.

If the election was held today Obama losses.
If things stay the same or get worse in the next year Obama losses.

His only hope is for the economy to improve over the next year.

Anything else and he losses.


And another reason to post this is because a large number of posters on here believe that Obama can not lose to any Republican. And this proves that idea false.
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Of course he can lose, but polls are meaningless with over a year to go AND considering the fact that Romney isn't even a lock to win his own party's nomination.
 
I wonder why prof quota isn't touting the polls about who the public trusts more with the economy/debt ceiling???

Oh, troll thread.
 
Pens1566 said:
I wonder why prof quota isn't touting the polls about who the public trusts more with the economy/debt ceiling???

Oh, troll thread.
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How about this one?

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way <blank> is handling the current negotiations on the debt ceiling?"

Obama 48 disapprove
Democrats 58 disapprove
Republicans 71 disapprove

At least we all agree that they suck.

In general, do you think Congress should or should not raise the federal debt ceiling?"
Should 46%
Should not 49%

Here is an interesting one:
"Who do you trust to do a better job handling the economy: President Obama or the Republicans in Congress?"
The numbers go back and forth depending on the issue of the day it seems
Obama's first GOP second
45 - 38
41 - 43
46 - 37 (this was right after the Osama killing)
43 - 44
45 - 45
46 - 39
42 - 45

Don't see much for either side to crow about in these polls.
http://www.pollingreport.com/budget.htm
 
I guess we're stuck between a rock and a hard place. If the economy gets better over the next year, we're stuck with another 4 years of the post turtle. If the economy tanks the silver lining is he'll be gone. Either way we win and either way we lose.
 
Who knows. Maybe Romney sticks his foot in his mouth like McCain did in '08 between now and Nov 2012.

"The fundamentals of our economy are still strong."
 
I agree that if the election were held today, Obama would probably lose. But he'll probably raise a trillion dollars to swamp the airwaves, have a buttload of new voters who aren't yet polled because they speak no English, and have an election day advantage from months of the media treating him as the Messiah and his Republican challenger as the Antichrist - not to mention blatant accusations of racism against anyone who even considers not voting for him. I'll be completely amazed if he is not re-elected.

And if the Republicans take the Senate, his re-election may not be a bad thing. Republicans have a history of forgetting all about fiscal responsibility if they have Congress and the White House, and if Obama can exert the same influence on a Republican Congress as did Clinton, then the country might be well served indeed.
 
In January before the '96 election Bill Clinton was almost 10 points behind Bob Dole.

So what does this thread mean anyway??
 
ProfJohn said:
I think I made that point.

If the election was held today Obama losses.
If things stay the same or get worse in the next year Obama losses.

His only hope is for the economy to improve over the next year.

Anything else and he losses.


And another reason to post this is because a large number of posters on here believe that Obama can not lose to any Republican. And this proves that idea false.
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In other news, a new poll shows that Bruce Springsteen would beat NJ governor Chris Christie if the election were held today. (seriously)

That poll is about as meaningful as this thread.
 
her209 said:
Who knows. Maybe Romney sticks his foot in his mouth like McCain did in '08 between now and Nov 2012.

"The fundamentals of our economy are still strong."
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It was the collapse of the financial sector that doomed McCain.

What is amazing is that McCain held the lead through much of September.

Kind of shows you how weak Obama was up to that point.
In 1980 Reagan won by 9 points
In 1992 Clinton won by 6 points
In 2008 Obama won by 7 points

So Obama barely beat the Clinton total even though the country was in far worse shape in 2008 than 92 and perhaps 80.
 
ProfJohn said:
It was the collapse of the financial sector that doomed McCain.

What is amazing is that McCain held the lead through much of September.

Kind of shows you how weak Obama was up to that point.
In 1980 Reagan won by 9 points
In 1992 Clinton won by 6 points
In 2008 Obama won by 7 points

So Obama barely beat the Clinton total even though the country was in far worse shape in 2008 than 92 and perhaps 80.
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"What recession?" - ProfJohn, August 2008.
 
Genx87 said:
It is the economy stupid. He will win or lose based on that alone near the time of the election.
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This. Only retards and partisan hacks trying to score propaganda points crow about polls more than a year before an election.
 
I don't see any valid reason to flame PJ over posting this poll. Heck, it doesn't appear to be some dubious poll made a Repub leaning firm.

Yeah, we all know the election is far away, but many polls have previously been posted by others. And more will posted in the following months.

We have all kinds of polls on the primaries, those are far away and nobody flames about them being posted.

I suspect this has the admin and his campaigners concerned.

Wonder if it gives Romney a boost in campaign donations? People are more to donate if they believe you have a chance of winning.

Fern
 
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