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K1052

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Think Dems lose in 26 and no elections in 28!

Even the Rs don't believe this which is why you are seeing people not running and Trump twisting arms to get Texas to redistrict. They are sure behaving like they are likely to lose in 26 and have to be worried about 28.
 

Indus

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Even the Rs don't believe this which is why you are seeing people not running and Trump twisting arms to get Texas to redistrict. They are sure behaving like they are likely to lose in 26 and have to be worried about 28.

LOL and did they believe there would be mass insurrection on Jan 6, 2021?

And how do they look on it now.. they'll do what they always do.. get in line behind the leader!

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it!
 

SteveGrabowski

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True, but even to get meaningful gains in Congress in 26, I think you need new faces.
Absolutely. The Democrat party needs to be purged with few exceptions. They're losers who stand for nothing but Israel and they're so wildly unpopular I see no way they can take power again without all of their leadership gone. I love seeing that the Democrats voting base has agreed on fuck Israel.
 
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HomerJS

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The most succinct explanation I've heard in a long time why people gravitated towards Trump and why they now need to move away from him.

 
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Absolutely. The Democrat party needs to be purged with few exceptions. They're losers who stand for nothing but Israel and they're so wildly unpopular I see no way they can take power again without all of their leadership gone. I love seeing that the Democrats voting base has agreed on fuck Israel.

It no longer matters.

Trump controls all the levers of power and will undoubtedly attempt to subvert every election going forward. It doesn’t matter if the next elections are lost by a thousand votes or by ten million because he will control the count by then.

I’ve not seen any evidence that the guard rails in place will be able to overcome what he obviously wants to do, especially as they’re systematically being dismantled and Congress and SCOTUS are dedicated to protecting him.
 
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cytg111

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Think Dems lose in 26 and no elections in 28!

Emperor Trump will make sure of that just like you can't believe there's no South Park Episode.
That is a binary outcome right? Elections or no elections. Lets call it a coin toss. How will you proceed from here? like you already lost or like you have a chance? Obvious conclusion right?
 

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That is a binary outcome right? Elections or no elections. Lets call it a coin toss. How will you proceed from here? like you already lost or like you have a chance? Obvious conclusion right?


Just listen to this video starting at 2:30 to 3:45 or so.

That should tell you what kind of a mess we're in..
 
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Moonbeam

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Just listen to this video starting at 2:30 to 3:45 or so.

That should tell you what kind of a mess we're in..
I watched a fair amount of your video or all of it not sure as I also watched several others and I don't know if those came at the end or what. Anyway the part of the video I fond most intriguing was Reich saying he felt shitty owing to the disaster called Donald Trump. In my opinion focus and awareness of Trump is a way to remind ourselves that we hate ourselves and are drawn to those feelings like a moth to a candle flame. Personally I am as happy as Larry when I can't help hearing the latest news. I can't help but knowing what goes on in the world, as news is everywhere and because of the media I am wont to expose myself to it's full of Trump outrage and as soon or soon after watching a bit of it to get the details, I turn away. I do not want to succumb to the temptation of allowing Trump to affect me negatively. In fact and to the contrary the worse the news is about him the happier I become. I believe that Trump has peeked and it down hill for him from here on out.

We create what we fear and what does a narcissist fear? The chickens, I think, are on their way home. Americans are entitled assholes and Trump promises are never delivered.

What concerns me the most is Trump being removed from power before Democrats can rid their party of old guard establishment Democrats and replace them with passionate young socialists. There is a reason that Democrats can't win elections. Everything is about what the donors want and not people who live in fear and misery.
 
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- Then they need to start putting out those vibes. Dems are a dead fish party right now, just laying there and taking it.
Democrats do put out messages, but Murc's Law and its collararies dictate that being a Democrat or associating with them is uncool, and it's better just to shit on Democrats as if they are the only people with agency.

Vibes don't appear in a vacuum. There are entire media apparatuses (outside of the typical right-wing news channels) that are dedicated to always crapping on Dems to make sure the vibes always stay bad, regardless of what the majority of Democrats are actually doing or not doing.

But to address what some are doing: Democratic AGs have been leading lawsuits, senators have been stalling negotiations, House members have forced the Epstein files issue so much that Johnson vacationed the House for over a month rather than allow a vote, Democratic governors are talking about doing their own retaliatory gerrymandering, Texas Dems are preventing a quorum on the gerrymandering vote, etc...

I wish there was more that could be done at the Federal level, but voters gave Republicans the reigns, and Republicans are using their majority to do what they want and giving the voters what they voted for.
 

K1052

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Please. Voters give almost no fucks about "working class agendas". It's mostly vibes.

Voters want low inflation and that's about it.

What do I want as a Dem primary voter: Republicans to be severely punished, entirely within the bounds of what is legally and politically permissible, for doing terrible shit. Zapping R districts until they agree to non-partisan districting? We can do that. Adding 5 SCOTUS judges? We can do that. Making DC a state and getting two more senators? We can do that. Defund rural America who keeps voting R and fund the places that vote D? We can do that.

Politicians who will do some or all of those kind of things are the ones that get my attention and support.
 
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Voters want low inflation and that's about it.
Beyond the brief spike in inflation because of supply catching up with demand, why voters even notice inflation seems hard to fathom. I doubt they would notice a difference in 2 vs 3% inflation yearly, unless it was called to their attention. There is definitely a media narrative that has driven this into the forefront of voters' minds.
 

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Beyond the brief spike in inflation because of supply catching up with demand, why voters even notice inflation seems hard to fathom. I doubt they would notice a difference in 2 vs 3% inflation yearly, unless it was called to their attention. There is definitely a media narrative that has driven this into the forefront of voters' minds.

Sure but be that as it may I, were I president, would not embark on a vigorous and moronic campaign to increase prices on everything for no reason at all when I know the electorate is very sensitive to prices and the media loves to talk about it. As the president has obviously chosen to do then lie to the public that stuff is getting cheaper when they are super inclined not to believe it.
 
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Jaskalas

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- Then they need to start putting out those vibes. Dems are a dead fish party right now, just laying there and taking it.
To be fair, those are the words for describing Biden as the Dem voter's 2020 nominee. It was dead fish energy.
It was the wisdom at the time, that is how we'd return to normalcy. To the rule of law.
Did not just sneak up on us in 2025.

But 2025 has clarified just how wrong that approach is. We need to elect street level leaders who want a fight.
 

Jaskalas

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Just listen to this video starting at 2:30 to 3:45 or so.

That should tell you what kind of a mess we're in..
There is also a treat starting at #21:03 the discussion about constant personal attacks from Trump / MAGA. To destroy pubic trust in institutions. All of them, universally. And how you cannot have a Democracy without that trust. This is the impetus of the anti-vax, anti-science movement among MAGA. It goes beyond science and into rule of law. Into Democracy itself. The Anti-Vax mindset is antithetical to Democracy. To human rights. Thus they push to replace Democratic institutions with populism, with fascism.

MAGA represents the literal death of everything Americans have ever known. As a Democratic Republic. As a Country, as a People. Gone.
This is an existential war for survival.
 

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There is also a treat starting at #21:03 the discussion about constant personal attacks from Trump / MAGA. To destroy pubic trust in institutions. All of them, universally. And how you cannot have a Democracy without that trust. This is the impetus of the anti-vax, anti-science movement among MAGA. It goes beyond science and into rule of law. Into Democracy itself. The Anti-Vax mindset is antithetical to Democracy. To human rights. Thus they push to replace Democratic institutions with populism, with fascism.

MAGA represents the literal death of everything Americans have ever known. As a Democratic Republic. As a Country, as a People. Gone.
This is an existential war for survival.
And all because of the of a motivation not to know two things, that people who hate themselves do not want to know that they do because to know would mean feeling their inner pain and that unconscious self hate thus harbors within it an unconscious sense of hopelessness that amounts to d death wish.

For self haters the only joy in life is sadistic satisfaction of making others as miserable as they are.

Now look at the world with two questions in mind. Does it look like a place full of people who must actually hate themselves and then, how often in life do you hear this is the actual truth of humanity's condition and all because of an wall we have built called external self identification or ego, that prevents us from feeling that pain and that all you have to do to be free is to die to the notion of good and evil. Belief that truth is conditioned by adherence to the virtue of whatever garbage was imposed on us is not a ticket to virtue but a prison of self righteousness narcissism.
 

UNCjigga

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I have no problem with Kamala running in an open primary. But the DNC seems to stack the deck in “open” primaries and I really, really hope they’ve learned their lesson with Mamdani (doubt it!)

Even so, my money’s on Buttigieg for a more populist candidate, or Martin O’Malley for a more traditional/establishment candidate.