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It's devastating among younger people who feel the old dinosaurs only care about themselves and keep telling them to not go full socialist.
That's also why these monsters want to stop truth being taught in schools so no one knows what truth looks like anymore.
 
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That's also why these monsters want to stop truth being taught in schools so no one knows what truth looks like anymore.

The country is beyond saving at this point.

I think most young people who can comprehend what's going on have left or are planning on leaving the country because they see what's coming and want no part of it.
 
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The country is beyond saving at this point.

I think most young people who can comprehend what's going on have left or are planning on leaving the country because they see what's coming and want no part of it.
They're in a no-win scenario. Go further left and maybe appease some young voters/progressive wing but get slaughtered by indies and others in a general election. Continue to float in centrist-land and kind of appeal to nobody in particular but maybe enough to at least be competitive?

Who knows. What's certain is that the party is hated nationwide, by virtually everyone, for various reasons. Trump single handedly destroyed the Democratic party.

And the Overton window has been slammed so far right that maybe it doesn't even matter.
 

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They're in a no-win scenario. Go further left and maybe appease some young voters/progressive wing but get slaughtered by indies and others in a general election. Continue to float in centrist-land and kind of appeal to nobody in particular but maybe enough to at least be competitive?

Who knows. What's certain is that the party is hated nationwide, by virtually everyone, for various reasons. Trump single handedly destroyed the Democratic party.

And the Overton window has been slammed so far right that maybe it doesn't even matter.

-Trump has left the Overton window a twisted wreck. What he preaches to the masses is nativism, which doesn't really fit into any clean economic left/right spectrum.

It's like blatant "leftism for me, rightism for thee" politics which sells that the only way to preserve the welfare state is to dismantle the welfare state for immigrants and undesirables.
 

MrSquished

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They're in a no-win scenario. Go further left and maybe appease some young voters/progressive wing but get slaughtered by indies and others in a general election. Continue to float in centrist-land and kind of appeal to nobody in particular but maybe enough to at least be competitive?

Who knows. What's certain is that the party is hated nationwide, by virtually everyone, for various reasons. Trump single handedly destroyed the Democratic party.

And the Overton window has been slammed so far right that maybe it doesn't even matter.

I disagree completely that embracing actual progressive economic messaging can't win in a presidential election.

People are dumb. You know how many times I've heard of people that wanted to vote for Bernie and then switched to voting for Trump? Bernie's simple and honest messaging about the truth of wealth inequality in this country was so simple it got through to their brains.

Multiple people I know had family members that were rooting for Bernie in 2016 but then went with Trump. Which is crazy to us because it doesn't make sense. But it actually makes sense because Bernie didn't sound like a politician. One thing about Hillary Clinton is she sounded exactly like a politician. And it's ultimately all so incremental - it's neo-liberalism trash. People want the system to change dramatically and the Dems will never offer taht as we have found out. They are too beholden to the wealthy themselves. Sure not like the evil Trump party - but, they will never fight for fundamental and systemic change because at the end of the day - too many of them are beholden to the system and it's wealth.

Trump also didn't sound like a politician so that's why he was their next choice. They wanted somebody that was going to go in there and change things. And because they aren't very smart or knowledgeable they based it on who wasn't sounding like a politician, And when Bernie was gone that was Trump.

Had a locksmith over the other week. Old fella, looked like he was well into his '60s. Anyways we got to talk and I usually don't talk politics with contractor type folks cuz they're usually conservative. Anyways he was very liberal. He mentioned how all the OG guys in the trades would hang out at this place in the neighborhood that I know. They loved Bernie but they would never have voted for Hillary. When Bernie lost they went Trump. For exactly the reasons I outlined above.

They liked Bernie a lot he said. He made perfect sense to them and he liked that he just talked in simple and direct terms that spoke to their economic needs. Dems can't talk in simple and direct terms most of the time - and it turns out, they don't really believe in systemic change anyway. They see systemic change like Mandani win, they want to see it go away.

They're still not even endorsing Mamdani. Hakeem Jeffries had his meeting with him and still no endorsement. The primary and most powerful parts of the Democratic establishment are just way way too corrupt, they don't want real progressive things to happen.
 
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Interesting. I do personally find it almost mystifying how anyone could go from Bernie to Trump, but I guess there's a logic to that for some people. May well be the case that you can only fight right-wing populism with left-wing populism.

But, at least here in the UK, the pessimistic side of me suspects that maybe there's no definitive majority for any single political strand, the electorate is just irremediably divided and split, as circumstances pit every group's interests against each other.

What we seem to end up with is a constantly shifting constellation of different political entrepreneurs, desperately trying to find a form of coalition and way of papering-over the differences, that actually works sufficiently to gain power. Made worse by the increasingly unfit-for-purpose FPTP electoral system.
 

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Interesting. I do personally find it almost mystifying how anyone could go from Bernie to Trump, but I guess there's a logic to that for some people. May well be the case that you can only fight right-wing populism with left-wing populism.

But, at least here in the UK, the pessimistic side of me suspects that maybe there's no definitive majority for any single political strand, the electorate is just irremediably divided and split, as circumstances pit every group's interests against each other.

What we seem to end up with is a constantly shifting constellation of different political entrepreneurs, desperately trying to find a form of coalition and way of papering-over the differences, that actually works sufficiently to gain power. Made worse by the increasingly unfit-for-purpose FPTP electoral system.

I think Bernie would straight up win a presidential race in a two-way race against Trump or most Republicans.

Of course this is not realistic as Bernie is quite old and the Democrats would never let that happen as long as they control the party apparatus.

I wasn't pushing for Bernie in 2016 myself. I really liked what he had to say and I hoped that he would pull the Democratic party left. But I didn't support him by voting for him or telling people to vote for him or campaigning for him or anything of the sort.

I was wrong.
 
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Most Democrats seem to have fallen in line behind Mamdani and it's just a handful of weirdos and the NYT who are being noisy about not supporting him, but some people just can't resist the allure of "Dems in Disarray" for that sweet social media clout.

It's also pretty weird to stay on Twitter or browse it after the white supremacist owner prominently made the AI super racist and antisemetic.
Hey it's been weeks since this total bullshit lying MAGA level propaganda post of yours, and it's still not true.

Why do you like to stan for the corrupt Dem establishment on a MAGA like level of lying? Have you had any self-reflective moments about that you want to share?
 
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Hope Dems will one day try Mamdani's approach.

A new poll from a progressive research group that accurately predicted Zohran Mamdani’s mayoral primary victory found that his criticism of Israel resonated with an overwhelming majority of Democratic voters and may have helped mobilize a wave of first-time and younger supporters.

According to the post-primary survey of 531 voters conducted by Data for Progress, 78% of respondents agreed with Mamdani’s belief that Israel was committing genocide in Gaza, 79% support restricting weapons to Israel and 63% back his pledge to arrest Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu if he visits New York City, in compliance with the International Criminal Court’s arrest warrant...

 
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Fenixgoon

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Fuck her, no more Clinton clones, no more AIPAC funded psychopaths who enable the Israeli genocide winning the primary (which Harris wouldn't have won if they had one last time). The base is mad as fuck and ain't buying into this neolib bullshit anymore. Burn the DNC to the fucking ground and turn it into a labor party again.
Gotta agree here. The current establishment is cooked. Younger and more progressive is what's going to win.
 

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Hope Dems will one day try Mamdani's approach.

A new poll from a progressive research group that accurately predicted Zohran Mamdani’s mayoral primary victory found that his criticism of Israel resonated with an overwhelming majority of Democratic voters and may have helped mobilize a wave of first-time and younger supporters.

According to the post-primary survey of 531 voters conducted by Data for Progress, 78% of respondents agreed with Mamdani’s belief that Israel was committing genocide in Gaza, 79% support restricting weapons to Israel and 63% back his pledge to arrest Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu if he visits New York City, in compliance with the International Criminal Court’s arrest warrant...


In this and other polling long held Dem support for Israel is evaporating before our very eyes. This was always the logical outcome of Netanyahu sticking his finger in Dems eyes every time they suggested he shouldn't do something. The old guard was willing to endure it, the new guard increasingly is not. Eventually somewhere down the road this will translate to tangible loss of financial and military support for Israel. At which point they will have to deal with all their neighbors on more equal terms.
 

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Gotta agree here. The current establishment is cooked. Younger and more progressive is what's going to win.

Like two dozen Dems are going to want to run in the primary for 28 and we're not going to like most of them. I don't see any reason to get worked up at this point. It's too far out to be relevant.
 
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Like two dozen Dems are going to want to run in the primary for 28 and we're not going to like most of them. I don't see any reason to get worked up at this point. It's too far out to be relevant.
True, but even to get meaningful gains in Congress in 26, I think you need new faces.
 

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I don't disagree with this and everybody above social security age should be drawing a primary challenge IMO.

Think Dems lose in 26 and no elections in 28!

Emperor Trump will make sure of that just like you can't believe there's no South Park Episode.