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Democratic Party - Clueless & Feckless - is the D party done?

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Don't know about the titular question of this thread, but I think possibly the Labour Party is 'done'.

www.theguardian.com

Keir Starmer says he ‘likes and respects’ Donald Trump

PM agrees with US president that Europe must bear greater burden for its collective self-defence
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

I mean, I get that it's obligatory to grovel to the Orange Overlord, but who does Starmer think he's kidding?

How can _anyone_ in their right mind "like and respect" Trump? He could have said "is prepared to work with Trump" or "doesn't agree with completely demonising Trump" or something just about defensible. But saying that just makes him sound like an insincere suck-up, or an idiot.
 
pmv said:
Don't know about the titular question of this thread, but I think possibly the Labour Party is 'done'.

www.theguardian.com

Keir Starmer says he ‘likes and respects’ Donald Trump

PM agrees with US president that Europe must bear greater burden for its collective self-defence
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

I mean, I get that it's obligatory to grovel to the Orange Overlord, but who does Starmer think he's kidding?

How can _anyone_ in their right mind "like and respect" Trump? He could have said "is prepared to work with Trump" or "doesn't agree with completely demonising Trump" or something just about defensible. But saying that just makes him sound like an insincere suck-up, or an idiot.
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In the last couple weeks it seems to have been shown that Starmer is a fucking jackwagon and asshole. How was he the defacto leader of Labour and why are they fine with him as leader?
 
I'm not sure Starmer is particularly interested in politics, I don't think he thinks very deeply about anything. He appears to be simply a puppet of the Labour Right.
 
misuspita said:
Corbyn was a brexiteer
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People keep saying that. It's not quite accurate, he didn't actively campaign _for_ Brexit. Just that as someone on the left he'd never been particularly enthusiastic about the EU (being pro-EU was traditionally a Tory thing, only very late in the day did some social democrat types conclude they could make some of it work for them - and their results were mixed at best) so would have appeared insincere had he tried to do a 180 degree turn when Brexit came along.

Personally, I don't see Brexit as being a central issue - the same problems arose when we were in the EU, it solved nothing. That's why so much of the 'remain' campaign didn't resonate. For example, they told everyone about the great employment rights that the EU granted us, but everyone I knew was on zero-hours contracts and got saw none of those rights, all they experienced was competition for their insecure jobs from EU migrants. And countries like Hungary seem to be able to stay in the EU while ceasing to be democracies at all, which says something about what the EU's values really are.

Leaving just allows the hard right to get their way that much faster, but the direction of travel was the same when we were still in.

The trouble with Corbyn is that he was always a marginal figure on the left, he'd spent most of his career on 'international' issues, opposing imperialism - which made it easy to cast him as unpatriotic (and much of the British working class have bought into the imperialist mythos, just as with the US). Also he was downright posh.
 
He didn't campained for brexit, but he wasn't explicitly against. Those few percentage points that he lost by not positioning definitely against it may have caused brexit. It's as he was actually hoping it would happen
 
misuspita said:
He didn't campained for brexit, but he wasn't explicitly against. Those few percentage points that he lost by not positioning definitely against it may have caused brexit. It's as he was actually hoping it would happen
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I think any effect of Corbyn not taking a strong enough stand was dwarfed by the effects of years of austerity facilitated by the Lib Dems (who, hypocritically, then blamed everyone else for Brexit).
 
Indus said:
The Red States and Department of Education has so dumbed down the education requirements that you can't even communicate with large masses of people and when you do try.. it comes across as making fun of them which makes them retreat further into their own camp. (Often what happens on this forum)

If we can't even get through to them here.. how do you think we'll get through to millions that don't even vote and others sold on MAGA.
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Like therapy, you cannot help someone who does not seek answers.
Those who believe they know the truth are beyond approach.
And the MAGA religion holds all truths. An entire alt-reality of truth.

In kind, I match their fervor. Nothing will move me from opposing them. I would vote for a meteor to end the earth before I give them an inch.
They largely feel the same way about us.
 
Obama finally shows up on Bluesky, and when democracy is literally crumbling, he posts about his upcoming presidential library and the ACA.

He is in lockstep with the delusional and rudderless elitist corporate consultant class Democratic leadership.
 
MrSquished said:
Obama finally shows up on Bluesky, and when democracy is literally crumbling, he posts about his upcoming presidential library and the ACA.

He is in lockstep with the delusional and rudderless elitist corporate consultant class Democratic leadership.
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Yep, Obama who? at this point.
 
Per this thread it appear a left side tea party is coming. Everyone seems to expect 100% engagements on at the moment are not huge issues and they expect their leader to be 100% lockstep with their view points.
Maybe this will be a good thing, I don’t know.
 
Schumer basically exposed every congressional democrat to a potential primary challenge, no matter how they voted. If the perception of D primary voters is that their reps are too old, too lazy, or too out of touch they could be in serious trouble next year. Ds have bad approvals from their own voters because they are upset with how the leaders have handled things or messaged. A situation few incumbents appear capable of really grappling with that is likely to have political costs to themselves.

https://bsky.app/profile/katmabu.bsky.social/post/3ll4uhykpa22i
 
K1052 said:
Schumer basically exposed every congressional democrat to a potential primary challenge, no matter how they voted. If the perception of D primary voters is that their reps are too old, too lazy, or too out of touch they could be in serious trouble next year. Ds have bad approvals from their own voters because they are upset with how the leaders have handled things or messaged. A situation few incumbents appear capable of really grappling with that is likely to have political costs to themselves.

https://bsky.app/profile/katmabu.bsky.social/post/3ll4uhykpa22i
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That's not such a bad thing. And to be realistic until the dems get their own version of Eric Cantor to happen.. nothing will change.

A little changing of the guard every now and then is a healthy thing!

I think AOC was the last big change that happened but even she has been shut out/ stifled out of leadership.
 
Schumer was already bad in the 2016 primary cycle...


The relevant quote that highlightss his major miscalculation on how economic concerns affected the 2016 election starts at around 40 seconds into the above clip.
For every blue collar Democrat we will lose in western PA we will pick up two, three moderate Republicans in the suburbs of Philadelphia... and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin....
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www.c-span.org

User Clip: Every Blue Collar Democrat

Chuck Scumer's Failed Plan
www.c-span.org www.c-span.org

for a higher resolution video clip of the quote if one so desires...

He has long deserved this pushback but the DNC and Establishment wing of the Dems were happy enough to see the economic policies that Bernie (and Sen. Warren (imo) would have if she ran in 2016 as some few political commentators asked her to) supported defeated.

Now that Bernie running is not a concern well we something different when he really hasn't changed in his views.




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This is the guy party leadership shut out AOC for as ranking Dem on the oversight committee.

His first media appearance in a month and this is what this fucking idiot has to say.

The whole party is just corrupt and useless at this point until leadership is swept out. Insulting

Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein.bsky.social)

"I certainly do not see a party in disarray," a hoarse Gerry Connolly says in his first national media appearance this month. "We're in great shape."
bsky.app bsky.app
 
The Democrats have not only failed by not holding their own leadership accountable, where are any decent amount of Democrats calling for Schumer to step down? Nowhere.

But where is a unified Democratic leadership call for the drunk Fox News Secretary of defense leaking war plans to step down?

Also nowhere. Failed party
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MrSquished said:
The Democrats have not only failed by not holding their own leadership accountable, where are any decent amount of Democrats calling for Schumer to step down? Nowhere.

But where is a unified Democratic leadership call for the drunk Fox News Secretary of defense leaking war plans to step down?

Also nowhere. Failed party
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media erasing opposition to Schumer.

It's considerable.. his approval rating is in the low 20's.
 
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