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Democratic Party - Clueless & Feckless - is the D party done?

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gothuevos said:
Feel free to explain how "blue states seceding" would happen.

We had a lot of off-ramps we missed in the last 8 years. This isn't a movie. The good guys aren't coming to save the day. Sometimes the story...just ends.
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Yeah see I was always warning about Biden being an absolutely fucking giant mistake. Just like so many Democrats were just not many here. But I exist very much so in reality .You are however a chicken little. You'll be right sometimes but you'll never be right all the time because all you can predict is gloom. You have no other capability inside you.

Trump does not have an iron fist on America yet. Not even close, especially when it comes to the military.

That's why it's up to the blue states to get this plan going soon, and have it in place. The writing is on the fucking wall What has to be done but it's pretty clear that Trump has not taken control of all of the United States of America by any means.

The blue States have to be organized and decisive when the moment comes. You have to let Trump and musk really cross a line and create such chaos or economic effects that it can't be denied by all but the cult. Forget about the cultists, they are fucking goners. We don't need the cultists, we need the people that didn't vote.

So listen you can play doomsayer all you want, but there is no real intelligent thought behind your doomsaying, it's just all you know how to do.
 
MrSquished said:
Yeah see I was always warning about Biden being an absolutely fucking giant mistake. Just like so many Democrats were just not many here. But I exist very much so in reality .You are however a chicken little. You'll be right sometimes but you'll never be right all the time because all you can predict is gloom. You have no other capability inside you.

Trump does not have an iron fist on America yet. Not even close, especially when it comes to the military.

That's why it's up to the blue states to get this plan going soon, and have it in place. The writing is on the fucking wall What has to be done but it's pretty clear that Trump has not taken control of all of the United States of America by any means.

The blue States have to be organized and decisive when the moment comes. You have to let Trump and musk really cross a line and create such chaos or economic effects that it can't be denied by all but the cult. Forget about the cultists, they are fucking goners. We don't need the cultists, we need the people that didn't vote.

So listen you can play doomsayer all you want, but there is no real intelligent thought behind your doomsaying, it's just all you know how to do.
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So tell me exactly how this "New America" lets call it is going to work? The geography doesn't even work. Just look at a map of the 2024 election results. The blue states are widely divided geographically. You have 3 states on the west coat, 2 in the southwest, 2 in the midwest, and a bunch of small states in New England/along the Atlantic coast. Are you going to try to unite all those blue states, even if they would agree to secede, into one country, widely divided by MAGA states? Are you going to let each blue region become a separate state? And even then, you would only have a small majority in most of those blue states that dont support Trump. What are you going to do, deport all the Trump supporters like Trump is doing migrants?
 
ondma said:
So tell me exactly how this "New America" lets call it is going to work? The geography doesn't even work. Just look at a map of the 2024 election results. The blue states are widely divided geographically. You have 3 states on the west coat, 2 in the southwest, 2 in the midwest, and a bunch of small states in New England/along the Atlantic coast. Are you going to try to unite all those blue states, even if they would agree to secede, into one country, widely divided by MAGA states? Are you going to let each blue region become a separate state? And even then, you would only have a small majority in most of those blue states that dont support Trump. What are you going to do, deport all the Trump supporters like Trump is doing migrants?
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What the fuck is a small majority, of Trump voters, In States they were a minority?
 
The plan plan for the blue states to secede is not some perfect infallible idea that's going to go perfectly smooth. Nobody's saying it's going to be easy or even completely succeed.

But these are the times when difficult decisions have to be made. We know one thing,, If nothing shows up that can stop the musk and Trump presidency in the next few months and this shit continues, whatever states don't leave are all going to be stuck under the yoke of fascism. And the longer we wait one it becomes obvious that nothing is going to stop them on the federal level, the more these fascists will have their claws in the military.

Once they get control of the military there is no chance to succeed. So this is no time to be hesitant just because there's no guarantee things won't work out perfectly. Of course there isn't. Shit's going to happen
This is what happens when you're falling under the rule of fascism.
 
Indus said:
Probably.. but you forget Germany couldn't help itself.. it had to have another continent bomb it out of existence for it to regain common sense.

And splitting up isn't a bad thing.. look at Turkey and Greece, Balkans.. Ireland and Northern Ireland.

We hate each other too much to coexist together.
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There needs to be a correction in your understanding.
Imagine Russia was your neighbor. Do you think you can coexist at all? Forget "together". They are coming for you sooner or later.
MAGA cannot be good neighbors. Ergo, they cannot be allowed to exist in the first place. This is existential war.
 
Jaskalas said:
There needs to be a correction in your understanding.
Imagine Russia was your neighbor. Do you think you can coexist at all? Forget "together". They are coming for you sooner or later.
MAGA cannot be good neighbors. Ergo, they cannot be allowed to exist in the first place. This is existential war.
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Wait a minute. Are you saying the blue states should secede AND take over the red states as well?
 
ondma said:
Wait a minute. Are you saying the blue states should secede AND take over the red states as well?
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I am saying secession will end as peacefully as it did the first time.
If for no other reason than we would be fleeing something abhorrently evil. And American Nazis will not be good neighbors. This is simply a question of who strikes first and gains initiative.
 
ondma said:
Obviously I am referring to the previous sentence regarding the blue regions.
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Of course there will be Trump supporters in the blue states.

It doesn't matter. Either we all live under the yoke of fascism and oppression, or we save 100 million plus from that federal state of evil, and secede while there is still time.
 
Can't pass the NYT paywall but Senator Chris Murphy from Conn gets it and isn't afraid to say what is going on. Why is the Dem leadership not putting him forth and aligning behind his messaging? Well, because they are mostly useless and feckless shitheads.

But let's get this guy out in front of more people and let's get the few Dem pols with balls to rally behind him! And he's a straight white guy which is what unfortunately this dumbfuck country needs.

www.nytimes.com

Chris Murphy Emerges as a Clear Voice for Democrats Countering Trump

The third-term senator from Connecticut is eschewing caution and throwing out the traditional political playbook as he seeks a broader audience for his critiques of the president and his agenda.
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wow. just wow. the Dem party is a joke and its leadership is a pathetic excuse for a party at any time, let alone now.

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If I were a Democrat, and I saw Trump do a purge of high-level generals who were women and people of color and wouldn't be "yes men," I wouldn't vote to advance JD Vance's college friend for Secretary of the Army. And yet....16 Democrats just did so
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Indus said:
As stupid as that sounds.. it might actually be the right thing to do as.. if you look left and right.. no one's talking about Socialists AOC, Bernie, Obama, Biden or Gaza.. instead everyone's hyper focused on Trump and Elon.

Let the dislike, discontent and hate simmer and come to a boil.. then watch it explode!
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You almost had it. At stupid as that sounds. All you have to do would say it really is. No it's fucking dumb as shit
 
MrSquished said:
You almost had it. At stupid as that sounds. All you have to do would say it really is. No it's fucking dumb as shit
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I don't like it but the last thing we need is.. MAGA making headwinds with.. "Oh you wanna trust those socialist marxist AOC that care about migrants and trans people over us huh?" and that turns the whole thing around..

You know it's coming and it'll flood every MAGAT cell phone and they'll brainwash themselves into supporting MAGA again.

Right now you have them on the defense.. I haven't heard a peep about migrants or trans recently. Have you?
 
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