Democratic Governor halts distribution of free condoms

[Riprorin]

The condom controversy . . .

November 28, 2004

BY MICHAEL SNEED SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST [Ad]

Dateline -- Scoopsville . . . Sneed hears Gov. Blagojevich just licked a ticklish situation.

*Translation: The gov, who is the doting father of two girls, quietly but decisively rescinded a Department of Health program where colored and flavored condoms were being distributed free of charge to the public.

*Quoth a top source: "It was a matter of moral values to him."

*To wit: "The governor first read about the program in the Sun-Times and was aghast and so upset that he immediately called for a halt on the distribution of the condoms, which came in orange, grape, lemon and cherry flavors," said a top source. (Lemon?)

*Background: Since January, the Public Health Department spent $115,000 in funds provided by the Bush administration for 5-cent condoms for distribution by public health clinics across the state as a tool to combat sexually transmitted disease, particularly in oral sex.

*Foreground: But a number of state lawmakers were shocked by the purchase of 360,000 of the orange, green, red and blue flavored condoms (out of a total of 910,000 colored condoms) ... feeling such exotic varieties undercut efforts to promote abstinence.

*Conclusion: The gov got rid of the whole colored and flavored shebang . . . although the remaining hundreds of thousands of regular condoms given by the state will not be rescinded.

Say whaaa?

A fitting remark: When addressing a recent benefit for the Fisher Center for Alzheimer's Research Foundation, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger opined: "I've sometimes thought how wonderful it would be if I couldn't remember who my enemies are."

The condom controversy . . .

I believe that the Public Health Department used money designated for Abstinence programs to buy the flavored condoms.

 

[SuperTool]

Why do you believe that if the article specifically says

Public Health Department spent $115,000 in funds provided by the Bush administration for 5-cent condoms for distribution by public health clinics across the state as a tool to combat sexually transmitted disease, particularly in oral sex.

 

[judasmachine]

Yup if you stop handing out condoms, people simply won't have sex. Brilliant! [rolls eye]

I still feel I missed the point of that article. Are they mad because they were flavored or is handing out comdoms immoral in some way?!?!?

 

[0marTheZealot]

I used to be against all forms of birth control, but now, we desperately need any sort of population control. This is simply counter productive to the long-term survival of our current society in general.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Yup if you stop handing out condoms, people simply won't have sex. Brilliant! [rolls eye]

I still feel I missed the point of that article. Are they mad because they were flavored or is handing out comdoms immoral in some way?!?!?

from reading it I think he was mad it came in flavors. Which would probably mean more expensive condoms.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The problem may have been that they were flavored

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
The problem may have been that they were flavored

Maybe he thought the ones they were handing out tasted nasty?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Why do you believe that if the article specifically says

Public Health Department spent $115,000 in funds provided by the Bush administration for 5-cent condoms for distribution by public health clinics across the state as a tool to combat sexually transmitted disease, particularly in oral sex.

Nice editing.

It says that they spend $115,000 provided by the Bush administration. It doesn't say the money was for 5-cent condoms.

I believe that the intent was for the money to be used for abstitence training, but I haven't verified it.

 

[going5hole]

Where is the editing? The bolded part is exactly what the article says, word for word. Bush gave them money, and then they spent it on 5 cent condoms.

 

[Riprorin]

It was bolded to suggest the money was provided to buy 5-cent condoms, which, if you read the whole sentence isn't the case.

 

[magomago]

geez people. Why not teach the whole shebang but contiously emphasize abstinance! That is what they did at my school and I'm learned this all in liberal CA~ You learned of all the methods of birth control, but you learned that it isn't 100% effective, and they emphasized like 3-4 times a CLASS that Absitanance was the only way. Hell the M.C. test out of thirty there would always be one or two giveaways that dealt with abstianence, and the essay question we had to write on tests always had to include that "but remember that abstience is the only 10%% effetive method...."

Why the scream for JUST Abstinence Riprorin? That is what I DON'T get. I notice that right now you aren't saying that explicitity, but you have made a theme in your other threads. Why NOT teach all other methods of birth control, but emphasis the importance of Abstinance EVERY time? Is there a problem with that way? Please, tell me.

Oh, as for the topic...I would also wonder if the colored flavored condoms might promote that sex since it tastes good or whatnot~~ personally they should've bought "Regular" condems and distributed those as they probably would be cheaper so you can buy more per dollar.

oh- and i don't care that i spelled absitance probably atelast 5 different ways in this point.

 

[3chordcharlie]

The flavoured condoms were to promote condom use for oral sex - many STDs are transmitted during oral sex, or 'foreplay' because a lot of people either don't know, or don't consider that sexual contact does not begin and end with intercourse. If your tab A and slot B are in contact, nearly every STD on the market can be transmitted.

This is important - it actually means that 'abstinence' is not 100% effective, depending on how you define abstinence. Naked make-out sessions do not qualify under the '100% effective' clause; therefore condoms may be useful even to people who are not actually having sex.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
The flavoured condoms were to promote condom use for oral sex - many STDs are transmitted during oral sex, or 'foreplay' because a lot of people either don't know, or don't consider that sexual contact does not begin and end with intercourse. If your tab A and slot B are in contact, nearly every STD on the market can be transmitted.

This is important - it actually means that 'abstinence' is not 100% effective, depending on how you define abstinence. Naked make-out sessions do not qualify under the '100% effective' clause; therefore condoms may be useful even to people who are not actually having sex.

Are you suggesting that oral sex isn't sex?

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Are you suggesting that oral sex isn't sex?

Well if the only legitimate purpose of sex is procreation, then it obviously is not.

What I'm suggesting is that many people draw their sex/no-sex line at intercourse, when for the purposes of disease control it would have to be drawn at 'we both kept all our clothes on'.

 

[dahunan]

I just wonder how hypocritical some of these Chrisitans are.. Rip, have you ever had sex before you were married? Ever have sex without a condom with a person who possibly could have been with someone other than you?

Christians need to worry about their mirrors and leave the rest to their God.

 

[Kibbo]

I wonder how policies that can demonstably hurt public health can fit with some Christian's view of "values." This policy might kill people. How moral is that?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Are you suggesting that oral sex isn't sex?

I believe that it was argued in a court of law as such. :evil:

 

[Riprorin]

I'm no genius but I don't need a court to tell me what sex is.

 

[Vic]

I don't see the issue, Rip.

And regardless of how much you preach abstinence, a high percentage of people still won't abstain. Let's try to be rational and seek to find real world solutions, eh? And not your little agendas...

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
The flavoured condoms were to promote condom use for oral sex - many STDs are transmitted during oral sex, or 'foreplay' because a lot of people either don't know, or don't consider that sexual contact does not begin and end with intercourse. If your tab A and slot B are in contact, nearly every STD on the market can be transmitted.

This is important - it actually means that 'abstinence' is not 100% effective, depending on how you define abstinence. Naked make-out sessions do not qualify under the '100% effective' clause; therefore condoms may be useful even to people who are not actually having sex.

Are you suggesting that oral sex isn't sex?

it is fellatio. fellatio is not SEX. Boy, I tell ya, some religions really screw people up

 

[Sysbuilder05]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Why do you believe that if the article specifically says

Public Health Department spent $115,000 in funds provided by the Bush administration for 5-cent condoms for distribution by public health clinics across the state as a tool to combat sexually transmitted disease, particularly in oral sex.

And then the last paragraph:

*Conclusion: The gov got rid of the whole colored and flavored shebang . . . although the remaining hundreds of thousands of regular condoms given by the state will not be rescinded.

Doesn't sound like a moral issue to me,he just thinks spending money on the colored condems is ridiculous and possibly a waste of money. Can their be a story out their that doesn't have some kind of a "moral" twinge to it?? Getting ridiculous.....

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
The flavoured condoms were to promote condom use for oral sex - many STDs are transmitted during oral sex, or 'foreplay' because a lot of people either don't know, or don't consider that sexual contact does not begin and end with intercourse. If your tab A and slot B are in contact, nearly every STD on the market can be transmitted.

This is important - it actually means that 'abstinence' is not 100% effective, depending on how you define abstinence. Naked make-out sessions do not qualify under the '100% effective' clause; therefore condoms may be useful even to people who are not actually having sex.

Are you suggesting that oral sex isn't sex?

it is fellatio. fellatio is not SEX. Boy, I tell ya, some religions really screw people up

Some really screwed up people seek out religion for help

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
The flavoured condoms were to promote condom use for oral sex - many STDs are transmitted during oral sex, or 'foreplay' because a lot of people either don't know, or don't consider that sexual contact does not begin and end with intercourse. If your tab A and slot B are in contact, nearly every STD on the market can be transmitted.

This is important - it actually means that 'abstinence' is not 100% effective, depending on how you define abstinence. Naked make-out sessions do not qualify under the '100% effective' clause; therefore condoms may be useful even to people who are not actually having sex.

Are you suggesting that oral sex isn't sex?

it is fellatio. fellatio is not SEX. Boy, I tell ya, some religions really screw people up

Some really screwed up people seek out religion for help

I found it. 90 proof.

 

[Riprorin]

"It's one thing to promote safe sex. It's another thing to encourage sexual activity by distributing free flavored and colored condoms," spokeswoman Rebecca Rausch said Tuesday.

Link

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
"It's one thing to promote safe sex. It's another thing to encourage sexual activity by distributing free flavored and colored condoms," spokeswoman Rebecca Rausch said Tuesday.

Link

now that I can agree with..handing out lolipop flavored condoms to teenagers. Now, for some reverse psychology..if they're already engaged in such activities anyway, and most teenages likely are, the condoms make it safer. It's kind of a double-edged sword.