Democratic debate? 1/17

[compuwiz1]

*I don't give a shit

I'd tell you to go fuck yourself, but I'm afraid you'd come up short.

 

[sportage]

I thought Bernie did well. Bernie had passion while Hillary seemed arrogant.

I guess powerful women are usually labeled as arrogant.
I mean, Trump isn't arrogant, right?
Christie? No, no arrogance there.
Jeb? His arrogance was this running for president thing expecting to be a cakewalk.
Cruz? Only arrogant should the rules apply to him.

No. Hillary is not arrogant. She's just the woman with a B.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Pretty sure that Subyman isn't a diehard Republican bro.

 

[ivwshane]

I guess powerful women are usually labeled as arrogant.
I mean, Trump isn't arrogant, right?
Christie? No, no arrogance there.
Jeb? His arrogance was this running for president thing expecting to be a cakewalk.
Cruz? Only arrogant should the rules apply to him.

No. Hillary is not arrogant. She's just the woman with a B.

The funny thing is that Hillary should be arrogant, she's worked hard and has accomplished quite a bit as a politician.

Her arrogance doesn't bother me, then again I can overlook personality so long as they have good policies.

 

[compuwiz1]

What has Hillary accomplished?

 

[boomerang]

What has Hillary accomplished?

So far? Escaped prosecution.

 

[shady28]

On Berniecare (Medicare for all) -



81% of Democrats either favor it or strongly favor it. 52% of Democrats *strongly* favor it.

Only 15% oppose it ( strongly + not strongly oppose).

So his healthcare plan is a winner within the Democratic party.

 

[1prophet]

What has Hillary accomplished?

Pretends to be for the people when she needs to then goes back to her corporate ways,

Maybe Sanders will wake up right now and realize who and what he is dealing with,because he sure didn't when he defended her in that last debate.

 

[bozack]

On Berniecare (Medicare for all) -



81% of Democrats either favor it or strongly favor it. 52% of Democrats *strongly* favor it.

Only 15% oppose it ( strongly + not strongly oppose).

So his healthcare plan is a winner within the Democratic party.

Is this a surprise? I get the sense from my leftist friends, especially those who are second generation in this country, that the ACA didn't go nearly far enough and they would much prefer what their families are used to with a full single payer system.

I can't help but think Sander's numbers are off and it will cost folks a good deal more, also it will most likely greatly limit choice, and there will be a number of powerful groups working against the plan...plus good luck getting it through congress....

 

[Genx87]

*I don't give a shit

If you want to be taken serious about limiting something. You should learn about what you want banned.

 

[shady28]

Is this a surprise? I get the sense from my leftist friends, especially those who are second generation in this country, that the ACA didn't go nearly far enough and they would much prefer what their families are used to with a full single payer system.

I can't help but think Sander's numbers are off and it will cost folks a good deal more, also it will most likely greatly limit choice, and there will be a number of powerful groups working against the plan...plus good luck getting it through congress....

I'm not a leftist and I would prefer that it be left up to the individual.

Realizing that is not going to happen, single payer is far more preferable than forcing people to buy insurance. Single payer will likely be slight extra cost to me with a household income of ~170k. In exchange for that cost, I don't have to worry about what happens to my healthcare if I become unemployed. That's acceptable.

But Obamacare is a sham that mostly hurts the people who advocated it - young people and the poor. It's typical smoke and mirrors DC bullshit.

My stepson makes ~24k and it negatively impacts his finances far more than me, even though I pay more than double what he does. He pays about 6% of his income for healthcare, I pay about 1.8% - which I was paying anyway. I'm at an age where I need healthcare insurance, he really isn't and would likely be fine for the next 10 years with nothing more than major medical, you know the kind that you can't buy anymore.

Plus since Obamacare doesn't cover everyone, only those who pay, it leaves out large swaths of the population. It has essentially become a tax.

 

[dank69]

Is this a surprise? I get the sense from my leftist friends, especially those who are second generation in this country, that the ACA didn't go nearly far enough and they would much prefer what their families are used to with a full single payer system.

I can't help but think Sander's numbers are off and it will cost folks a good deal more, also it will most likely greatly limit choice, and there will be a number of powerful groups working against the plan...plus good luck getting it through congress....

Because it is absolutely retarded that we are one of the only first-world nations without universal healthcare. Zorkorist defines "freedom" as "beholden to the medical and medical insurance industry."

 

[michal1980]

The funny thing is that Hillary should be arrogant, she's worked hard and has accomplished quite a bit as a politician.

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She sure has worked hard at keeping that rapist husband of hers out of jail.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Just checking in to see what kind of stupid shit 1980 would post.

 

[IronWing]

Democratic debate? 1/17

That's a pretty harsh assessment. I would have given it at least a 2/17.

 

[Bitek]

Overall what I hear from Sanders is a bunch of ideological positions that play well to the base, but have no chance of becoming reality if he got elected.

When none of his ideas go anywhere once sworn in, what does he do? It's he really a guy that could win two terms?

Bernie seems like a left wing version of Ron Paul. Ideological hardliner on a few key issues, then little depth outside of that. Little regard for realpolitik.

 

[dank69]

Overall what I hear from Sanders is a bunch of ideological positions that play well to the base, but have no chance of becoming reality if he got elected.

When none of his ideas go anywhere once sworn in, what does he do? It's he really a guy that could win two terms?

Bernie seems like a left wing version of Ron Paul. Ideological hardliner on a few key issues, then little depth outside of that. Little regard for realpolitik.

I am hoping his ability to mobilize the young voters helps sweep the Democrats into a position to actually accomplish something, but I know that is probably pie-in-the-sky.

 

[Genx87]

I am hoping his ability to mobilize the young voters helps sweep the Democrats into a position to actually accomplish something, but I know that is probably pie-in-the-sky.

I suspect Bernie could do what Ron Paul did to the Republicans. Fracture the party. There is an under current of voters who are sick of the status quo from both parties. Sanders energizes it on the left. Ron Paul energized it on the right.

 

[theeedude]

Looks like Bernie Sanders can help the Republican Congress with the Replace part of Repeal and Replace.

 

[Sonikku]

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because that's equally as (in)effective as an AWB.

the biggest things that would address gun violence in the US IMO are making mental healthcare more accessible and less socially stigmatizing

Sounds like higher taxes/premiums to me. Reagan just threw them out on the street and saved us a bundle.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Sounds like higher taxes/premiums to me. Reagan just threw them out on the street and saved us a bundle.

Yes and no for the time Reagan's decision was right. The thing that really prompted action was Geraldo Rivera he had several reports like this one where the mental institutions were essentially a bunch of locked rooms where people were left to rot. While the operator of the Institution collected State & Federal money.

http://geraldo.com/page/willowbrook

But yes we've taken the not institutionalizing people who cannot care for themselves a bit too far.

 

[ivwshane]

If you want to be taken serious about limiting something. You should learn about what you want banned.

And if you want to be taken seriously you should probably stop assuming you know what everyone else wants.

 

[MongGrel]

*Magazines

*I don't give a shit

Much ado about nothing there really.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2014/3/6/clips-vs-magazines/

At any rate it seems Bernie did pretty well, even though I did not watch it live.

Have been watching a few feeds about it.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Overall what I hear from Sanders is a bunch of ideological positions that play well to the base, but have no chance of becoming reality if he got elected.

When none of his ideas go anywhere once sworn in, what does he do? It's he really a guy that could win two terms?

Bernie seems like a left wing version of Ron Paul. Ideological hardliner on a few key issues, then little depth outside of that. Little regard for realpolitik.

A Sanders Presidency would not be about getting things passed it would be about having a honest conversation with the American public about the things that need to be done. Sanders entered this race to talk about the problems not to win. If he should win he will use his pulpit to continue the conversation.

Practically everyone agrees that we need to flush the toilet that Washington politics has become and it has to start with someone pointing out all the turds floating in the bowl.

 

[ivwshane]

A Sanders Presidency would not be about getting things passed it would be about having a honest conversation with the American public about the things that need to be done. Sanders entered this race to talk about the problems not to win. If he should win he will use his pulpit to continue the conversation.

Practically everyone agrees that we need to flush the toilet that Washington politics has become and it has to start with someone pointing out all the turds floating in the bowl.

Agreed. He has said on the campaign trail that it's not about him, it's a movement. If you vote for him and then vote for more Republican obstruction or a Democrat of simular mind, you will be wasting your time and you should have zero expectations.