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Democrat stupidity in SC

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Thump553

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Corrected this for you. Oh, and don't forget this is the same POTUS who gave us the EPA.

Nixon liberal? Give me a flipping break. Our society was a lot more liberal in the 1970s (and much better for it) versus the Ayn Rand greed ethos that has infested the conservative movement today.

And if you don't think the EPA has greatly helped the USA you were either not around back then or have your dogmatic blinders on.

I swear dealing with modern USA conservatives must be what it was like to deal with a USSR/Red China political officer, always insisting on political purity despite the real world ramifications.

Nixon's price controls weren't liberal or conservative, they were a jingoistic reaction to (what was then new) OPEC and it's oil embargo for political reasons.
 

HomerJS

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Even if it passed, the only logical outcome would be gas would no longer be sold in SC and the stations just outside the borders of the state would jack their prices up sky high. People would actually end up using more gas to get it from far off stations and the state would end up with even less revenue than what it started with, LOL.

The answer is take oil and gas off the commodoties market. This way prices will be determined by supply and demand not greedy Wall Street speculators.

There has not been a change in either S or D that justifies these increases.
 

highland145

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dfuze

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wuliheron

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Actually, both Maryland and Pennsylvania have their shitty, low-income areas.


So what? In the South Bronx something like 31 out of 32 buildings are burnt to the ground by arson. It makes Beirut in the worst of times look positively hospitable. That doesn't mean New York City and state aren't among the wealthiest in the country.
 

werepossum

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Nixon liberal? Give me a flipping break. Our society was a lot more liberal in the 1970s (and much better for it) versus the Ayn Rand greed ethos that has infested the conservative movement today.

And if you don't think the EPA has greatly helped the USA you were either not around back then or have your dogmatic blinders on.

I swear dealing with modern USA conservatives must be what it was like to deal with a USSR/Red China political officer, always insisting on political purity despite the real world ramifications.

Nixon's price controls weren't liberal or conservative, they were a jingoistic reaction to (what was then new) OPEC and it's oil embargo for political reasons.
Nixon was quite liberal in many ways - ending a Democrat war by accepting a loss rather than escalating it, government price and wage controls, enemies list. Nixon epitomizes the liberal ideal that some of us are indeed smarter than all of us, and attempted to spread federal government control. He even opened up relations with Communist China.
 

OutHouse

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The more a government fucks with business and free enterprise the more fucked up it becomes. This has been proven time after time.
 

jackstar7

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The more a government fucks with business and free enterprise the more fucked up it becomes. This has been proven time after time.

Effin' A, man.

Can we finally get kids back to work? Those small spaces aren't going to clean themselves for pennies a day.
 

Thump553

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Nixon was quite liberal in many ways - ending a Democrat war by accepting a loss rather than escalating it, government price and wage controls, enemies list. Nixon epitomizes the liberal ideal that some of us are indeed smarter than all of us, and attempted to spread federal government control. He even opened up relations with Communist China.

I wouldn't characterize Vietnam as a Democratic war-it spanned back decades (but I agree LBJ really doubled down over and over) and as someone sweating out the draft back then I certainly disagree with the characterization Nixon accepted a loss rather than escalating the war-remember his secret escalation of the war into Cambodia, for example? As far as EPA formation goes, I think Nixon was more swept along with the tide rather than leading the charge.

And China-well you remember as much as I do how surprised we all were that the fanatic anti-communist Nixon opened China, but with a couple of decades retrospect the corporate motives are a whole lot clearer. Remember how excited the country was back then at this huge new market opening up to American goods? Pretty ironic these days.

It just seems hilarious that someone that knows hardly anything about Nixon claims he was liberal. All I can say is sometime in the recent past US conservatives took a huge swing back to 1920s (and earlier) style small government conservatism, ignoring all the lessons of the Depression, WWII and the golden era thereafter. These days it seems like some are pushing as hard as they can to emulate the decline of the British empire rather than preserve and grow what makes America great.
 

QuantumPion

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Nixon was quite liberal in many ways - ending a Democrat war by accepting a loss rather than escalating it, government price and wage controls, enemies list. Nixon epitomizes the liberal ideal that some of us are indeed smarter than all of us, and attempted to spread federal government control. He even opened up relations with Communist China.

Accepting a loss? Nixon & Kissinger arranged the Paris Peace Accord. South Viet-nam didn't fall until 3 years later when the democrats in congress refused to authorize appropriations for military aid when North Viet-nam re-declared war (Ford was president by then).

Nixon was fairly liberal though. In addition to the wage and price controls, Nixon founded the EPA.
 

QuantumPion

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The answer is take oil and gas off the commodoties market. This way prices will be determined by supply and demand not greedy Wall Street speculators.

There has not been a change in either S or D that justifies these increases.

Without a commodities market the price would be even more volatile, marked by rapid large increases and shortages whenever supply trouble arises. Being able to buy oil in the future smooths things out and allows a stable market to function.
 

matt0611

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Effin' A, man.

Can we finally get kids back to work? Those small spaces aren't going to clean themselves for pennies a day.

Oh look, the "if not for the government saving us we'd all be working in a mine somewhere for a few dollars a day" argument.

Yes, the only reason kids are not working in factories getting their hands cut off for pennies a day is because of government.

Right. :\


The fact that a US politician would even submit a bill like this just shows how completely ignorant and incompetent our leaders are when it comes to economics and the real world.
 

dainthomas

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Where are the jobs again?

Oh, thats right, China.

Instead of enacting reasonable regulation, they went over the top, drove jobs out of the United States, and now China dumps CRT monitors into rivers.

And to think that the EPA could have taken a middle ground.

Instead of NO monitors in rivers, they should have taken the reasonable middle ground of cutting river monitor dumping 20-30%. Phased in over several decades of course. Free market!
 

werepossum

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Accepting a loss? Nixon & Kissinger arranged the Paris Peace Accord. South Viet-nam didn't fall until 3 years later when the democrats in congress refused to authorize appropriations for military aid when North Viet-nam re-declared war (Ford was president by then).

Nixon was fairly liberal though. In addition to the wage and price controls, Nixon founded the EPA.
No one who was there had any doubt that North Vietnam was going to win if we left, nor did those in government. Even if we had continued funding the South, it was weak, divided and corrupt. The North was wholly indoctrinated and had massive support from both the ChiComms and the Soviets. Don't get me wrong, I'd have ended it too, if I could not have won it. (See Colonel David Hackworth or the Marines before McNamara to see how it could have been won.)

I completely disagree with what the Democrats did in Congress. Every people deserves a chance to fight for their freedom, and we should support that. But I have no illusions that the South would have fought off the North with our weapons. Our funding cuts ensured that the South could not compete with the North, but the final verdict, even had we retained funding them a billion a year, was not in doubt.
 

CallMeJoe

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Party hack wastes time introducing legislation he knows has no chance of enactment in order to score cheap political points with his constituents.

Who does he think he is, John Boehner?
 

wuliheron

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Cheap is good. Cheap imports, cheap talk, cheap politicians, cheap women. Its all the same to me.