Democrat Prepares for Another Possible Stimulus Package

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Anyone else think that all this 'its just talk about a second stimulus, we aren't actually going to do it', will turn into , 'we have to do this, we can't make it another day, we need this stimulus' ?

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...ible-stimulus-package/
The ink from President Obama's signature is barely dry on his first economic stimulus package, yet a top Democrat already is getting ready for another one -- if it should become necessary.

Rep. David Obey, D-Wis., suggested Wednesday that although it is too early to be moving forward with a new stimulus package, he has directed House Appropriations Committee staff members to begin "preparing options" and ideas for the possibility of another bill to revive the ailing economy.

"It's premature to talk about a second stimulus package. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't be thinking and preparing options for the time when it may become necessary," said Obey, chairman of the committee.


If lawmakers were to passed a new stimulus package, it would mark the third time in a year and the second since Obama took the reins of power in January.

While senior Democratic aides were quick to talk down the prospect of a another stimulus Wednesday, given concerns that Americans may be experiencing "spending fatigue," the story has gotten a bit out of their hands in the last 24 hours.

First, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif, said at a news conference Tuesday that Democrats are patient for the current package to work but open to another spending plan if necessary.

"It will take a little time to get going, some of it's already in the works, but we must give it time to work," she said. "You have to keep the door open to see how this goes."

At the same event, two economists advising the Democratic caucus acknowledged that Obama's initial stimulus plan is likely to produce a "disappointing" number of jobs and that a second recovery plan may be necessary.

"I think another stimulus package is a reasonable probability given where things are going," said Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody's Economy.com.

Later on Tuesday, Obey told one reporter that he had instructed to committee aides to begin putting together an "outline" for another stimulus plan.

Democrats woke up to headlines in a number of news outlets stating that a second spending plan was all but assured.

Republicans pounced.

"It sounds eerily reminiscent of Japan in the '90s. As we all know, they passed numerous fiscal stimulus bills frequently throughout the decade of the '90s...but the Japanese economy looked very much like it did at the beginning of the decade," said Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. "My members are highly skeptical that we can spend our way out of this particular problem."

House Minority Leader Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio, echoed his concerns, citing the $787 billion stimulus bill, the $410 billion spending measure, Obama's $3.6 trillion budget plan for next fiscal year, and the several trillion dollars that has been loaned to financial firms.

"And now they want to spend more money?" Boehner said. "There is some point at which we will bury our economy under a mountain of debt...at the end of the day, government growing, government spending is not going to solve this problem."

But surrounded by reporters just outside the House floor Wednesday, Obey passionately defended his comment and argued that the whole issue is much ado about nothing.

"We started to prepare options for the stimulus in August of last year and we finally got something that clicked," Obey said in reference to the $787 billion bill that passed congress last month, adding that he regrets the cuts the Senate eventually made to the bill.

"But prudence would dictate that you would anticipate that you might need other things so its a simple routine to begin to prepare possible options if you have a next requirement," he added. "Now most of the economists I talked to said its spectacularly unreasonable to expect to see this stimulus package any time soon. It takes a number of months to get out in the field and to get moving."
 

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Please China, stop funding us. That is the only thing that is going to work at this point.

On the bright side, things are looking up for 2010 if they keep this up.
 

Cattlegod

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Maybe this time they will come up with programs that won't take 3 years to realize the benefits.
 

alchemize

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You mean massive new debt and handouts to state governments funding medicaid, AMT tax cuts, and handouts to democrat special interests aren't stimulating the economy and we need more? Shocker! :shocked:
 

sactoking

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From this thread:

Originally posted by: sactoking
Well, "Nancy Pelosi's Stimulus" was passed in February 2008. The "bank bailout" started in March 2008 and continued on through November. Nothing much happened after the election until the inauguration, when the call for a "stimulus" started again.

So, it only took a couple months to realize the rebates failed. And it only took a couple of months to realize the bailout failed.

Logic leads me to believe people will be claiming the stimulus failed and we need more money in just a couple of months.

I vote April.

 

OrByte

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nope.

Pelosi wants to give the current spending a chance to work through the system. She is denying moving forward with a second stim package.

sounds reasonable.
 

fskimospy

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Wait, so you guys are against Congress preparing for legislation that may or may not be needed ahead of time? Wasn't the cry before that things were 'rushed'? Preparing for another stimulus bill doesn't mean that one will certainly happen, it's just Congress being responsible adults.

I swear, people can find anything to complain about on here.
 

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Wait, so you guys are against Congress preparing for legislation that may or may not be needed ahead of time? Wasn't the cry before that things were 'rushed'? Preparing for another stimulus bill doesn't mean that one will certainly happen, it's just Congress being responsible adults.

LOL

How about instead of wasting time and resources on how to spend even more money they try to figure out how to actually fix what is broken >
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Wait, so you guys are against Congress preparing for legislation that may or may not be needed ahead of time? Wasn't the cry before that things were 'rushed'? Preparing for another stimulus bill doesn't mean that one will certainly happen, it's just Congress being responsible adults.

I swear, people can find anything to complain about on here.

If 2 stimulus fail, you think it is responsible to plan another? You dont get it. We dont want ANY of this shit.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: eskimospy

I swear, people can find anything to complain about on here.
Especially when they and their party haven't any reasonable alternative solutions.
 

rudder

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Japan has spent $6.5 trillion in stimulus with an economy that is 1/2 as large as ours. So we have some spending to do. I mean look how that Japanese economy has rocketed since the 90's.
 

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: eskimospy

I swear, people can find anything to complain about on here.
Especially when they and their party haven't any reasonable alternative solutions.

I say it is "reasonable" to not sign $1T spending bills when we have to borrower that money to spend it.

You say it is "reasonable" to keep drafting large bills with earmarks for shit that will have no effect on the current situation, and supporting failed business models.


In the end, the American people will decide who is right in the voting booth. I was wondering what issue would cause the pendulum to swing back right, and this may be it. Americans who have to cut back on their budgets will not take lightly to the continued wreckless spending by the federal government in a time of fiscal crisis.


Being a center-right agnostic libertarian, I dont identify with a lot of things about the Republican party. Fiscal conservatism is one thing that I do. (Yes, I know Bush was not a fiscal conservative by any means). If the republicans want to be relevant again, they need to hammer home the point on these massive spending bills.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: eskimospy

I swear, people can find anything to complain about on here.
Especially when they and their party haven't any reasonable alternative solutions.

I say it is "reasonable" to not sign $1T spending bills when we have to borrower that money to spend it.

You say it is "reasonable" to keep drafting large bills with earmarks for shit that will have no effect on the current situation, and supporting failed business models.


In the end, the American people will decide who is right in the voting booth. I was wondering what issue would cause the pendulum to swing back right, and this may be it. Americans who have to cut back on their budgets will not take lightly to the continued wreckless spending by the federal government in a time of fiscal crisis.
What's your solution? In the past the Republicans were reactive not proactive except in the case of Iraq and we all know they shit the bed with that one.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: eskimospy

I swear, people can find anything to complain about on here.
Especially when they and their party haven't any reasonable alternative solutions.

I say it is "reasonable" to not sign $1T spending bills when we have to borrower that money to spend it.

You say it is "reasonable" to keep drafting large bills with earmarks for shit that will have no effect on the current situation, and supporting failed business models.


In the end, the American people will decide who is right in the voting booth. I was wondering what issue would cause the pendulum to swing back right, and this may be it. Americans who have to cut back on their budgets will not take lightly to the continued wreckless spending by the federal government in a time of fiscal crisis.
What's your solution? In the past the Republicans were reactive not proactive except in the case of Iraq and we all know they shit the bed with that one.

I already told you. Stop spending money. Get the budget under control. The market is going to have to correct itself. No amount of voodoo money thrown at this situation is going to help it.

 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
I say it is "reasonable" to not sign $1T spending bills when we have to borrower that money to spend it.

Being a center-right agnostic libertarian, I dont identify with alot of things about the Republican party. Fiscal conservatism is one thing that I do. (Yes, I know Bush was not a fiscal conservative by any means). If the republicans want to be relevant again, they need to hammer home the point on these massive spending bills.
If there are any republican "fiscal conservatives" out there with a plan to improve the economy I would like to hear it.

If the GOP leadership had a plan they would be all over the airwaves right now.

As it is, their only plan at this point in time seems to be to criticize anything the Obama Admin is doing...and thats it.

edit: where is the new "contract with America" GOP?




 

StageLeft

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There was a thread last month where somebody high up said something like they were not ruling it out as a possibility. To me and all of us that meant you can count on it.
So we have some spending to do. I mean look how that Japanese economy has rocketed since the 90's.
It's sucked ass, in great part by...spending. Funding of zombie institutions. Now Japan is reeling because they put paying the piper off.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: eskimospy

I swear, people can find anything to complain about on here.
Especially when they and their party haven't any reasonable alternative solutions.

I say it is "reasonable" to not sign $1T spending bills when we have to borrower that money to spend it.

You say it is "reasonable" to keep drafting large bills with earmarks for shit that will have no effect on the current situation, and supporting failed business models.


In the end, the American people will decide who is right in the voting booth. I was wondering what issue would cause the pendulum to swing back right, and this may be it. Americans who have to cut back on their budgets will not take lightly to the continued wreckless spending by the federal government in a time of fiscal crisis.
What's your solution? In the past the Republicans were reactive not proactive except in the case of Iraq and we all know they shit the bed with that one.
GOP is wrong on this whole thing too. They just want their piece of the action. Doesn't excuse those in power.

 

Genx87

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Makes sense from a govt perspective. If a program fails to produce it is only because it didnt have enough money thrown at it.

We had 160 billion last June.
700 Billion for banks in the Fall
800 Billion stimulus last month

I see a pattern here. The more we spend the worse our economy collapses and unemployment rises.

 

Skitzer

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: eskimospy

I swear, people can find anything to complain about on here.
Especially when they and their party haven't any reasonable alternative solutions.

Here's a solution I think is reasonable ..............
QUIT SPENDING MONEY WE DO NOT HAVE!!!!!!!
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Makes sense from a govt perspective. If a program fails to produce it is only because it didnt have enough money thrown at it.

We had 160 billion last June.
700 Billion for banks in the Fall
800 Billion stimulus last month

I see a pattern here. The more we spend the worse our economy collapses and unemployment rises.

You don't honestly think that's the reason behind our economic problems do you?
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Genx87
Makes sense from a govt perspective. If a program fails to produce it is only because it didnt have enough money thrown at it.

We had 160 billion last June.
700 Billion for banks in the Fall
800 Billion stimulus last month

I see a pattern here. The more we spend the worse our economy collapses and unemployment rises.

You don't honestly think that's the reason behind our economic problems do you?

Gee you think? Sarcasm comes through so poorly on teh interwebs.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Skitzer
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: eskimospy

I swear, people can find anything to complain about on here.
Especially when they and their party haven't any reasonable alternative solutions.

Here's a solution I think is reasonable ..............
QUIT SPENDING MONEY WE DO NOT HAVE!!!!!!!
Sooo we shouldn't have spent a dime and just let everything collapse like we did in 1929?
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31

I already told you. Stop spending money. Get the budget under control. The market is going to have to correct itself. No amount of voodoo money thrown at this situation is going to help it.

As has been said before, you should go ask Hoover how that plan worked out.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Genx87
Makes sense from a govt perspective. If a program fails to produce it is only because it didnt have enough money thrown at it.

We had 160 billion last June.
700 Billion for banks in the Fall
800 Billion stimulus last month

I see a pattern here. The more we spend the worse our economy collapses and unemployment rises.

You don't honestly think that's the reason behind our economic problems do you?

You honestly dont think that is helping, do you?

You honestly dont think even more will help, do you?