Democrat Debate Last Night

[Fern]

Title says it all. I wanna know from those that saw it what they thought.

I'm hearing HRC may not have fared well etc.

Edit: Forgot to say I heard Dodd mention decriminalizing Weed ( :thumbsup: ) and Edwards disagreed jumped on him for that ( :thumbsdown: ).

Also, they were giving Kucinich crap for saying he saw a UFO? Geez, he didn't say it was piloted by aliens or anything. You R Paul people got it easy compared to the Kucinich supporters.

But was kinda cool Richardson came along later and said the gov should release all the documents related to Roswell & Area 51.

I heard Chris Matthews say the race was shaping up between Evolution deniers (Repubs) and UFO believers (Dems).

TIA,

Fern

 

[Nebor]

It was on TV at this snooty wine bar in Uptown Dallas. The libtards that populate the place were cheering for Hillary and Obama. My date and I went and sat on the patio to avoid it.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Nebor
It was on TV at this snooty wine bar in Uptown Dallas. The libtards that populate the place were cheering for Hillary and Obama. My date and I went and sat on the patio to avoid it.

Avoiding it will become much harder when a democrat is elected President in 11/2008.

One such as yourself might be better advised to either make GWB less of a GOP boat anchor or to make existing republican candidates more realistic. Doing neither will likely leave you sitting on the patio for four long years at least.

 

[Drakkon]

Hillary/Edwards/Obama - more of the same spoon-fed answers and rhetoric
Dodd - blah blah immunity blah blah
Kucinich - impeach impeach impeach
Biden - Gave a performance that made himself finally look slightly better than colbert - just slightly - I'd still take colbert over him

EDIT : Richardson - forgot about him....wonder why?

Edit 2: I think the msnbc poll sheds the best light on what happend http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21528788/

 

[Queasy]

Let's see...

Clinton totally lost it at the end with her answer on NY Gov Spitzer's plan to give illegal immigrants driver's license.
Obama went after Clinton but still used the same tired lines.
Edwards was pretty much the same as Obama but also wants us to conserve more while he lives in his 28,000 sq ft home built.
Kucinich is still coo coo for cocoa puffs
Dodd was the most effective at jumping on Hillary at the end
the rest...blah

I can't wait for the 2008 elections to be over.....so we can immediately start the campaigning for the 2012 elections.

 

[Lemon law]

The MSNBC poll is essentially meaningless unless it compares either fellow democratic candidates in one against one match up or does the same with a democrat vs. a republican.

But the most one poll answer is the Hillary dominated 57% for most scripted answers. But in terms of most scripted candidate, that was always the GWB strength. And if Hillary
can come up with most scripted while losing the GWB stupidity, it may take her far.

 

[Queasy]

All internet polls are essentially meaningless because they can be manipulated easily.

 

[Lemon law]

Queasy leaves me feeling queasy and nauseous with----I can't wait for the 2008 elections to be over.....so we can immediately start the campaigning for the 2012 elections.

Yep, we can immediately recycle the losers while the losers remain clueless on why they lost in the first place. Its sorta like yesterdays cloth style, sooner or later they become stylish again. Bring back the zoot suit and the beaver hat.

 

[StageLeft]

Edwards would be the political nightmare equivalent of Rudy, but thankfully he's not a real contender. He'd make even die hard democrats start to wonder if taxes were going up too much.

Obama went after Clinton but still used the same tired lines.

Thing about Obama's tired old lines is that they are still very correct.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Fern
I heard Chris Matthews say the race was shaping up between Evolution deniers (Repubs) and UFO believers (Dems).

Hillary got caught trying to waffle on both sides of her answer regarding Elliot Spitzer's plan to issue drivers' licenses to illegal immigrants. It's a relatively minor issue, but AFIC, it's a good demo of how she tries to dodge and dance around any issue she thinks will lose her votes.

She succeeded in losing mine a long time ago. I'd like to see Edwards get the nomination. I'd settle for Obama. Kucinich is interesting, but I don't think he can get the nomination. He's the only one calling for Bush and Cheney's impeachment, which I fully support.

I think Chris Matthews was way out of line in the post show over Kucinich's statement that he had seen a UFO. He was very clear that he meant he had seen an unidentified flying object, NOT necessarily an extraterrestrial craft. If you live anywhere in southern Ca within range of being able to see launches from Edwards AFB, we see odd airborne visuals all the time. Some are announced, some are explained later and some are never explained. That is, they are unidentified, and they are flying. If Matthews doesn't like the word, object he should substitute the noun of his choice and get back to being the moderator of the show. :Q

Originally posted by: Nebor
It was on TV at this snooty wine bar in Uptown Dallas. The libtards that populate the place were cheering for Hillary and Obama. My date and I went and sat on the patio to avoid it.

And the majority welcomed your efforts in cleaning up the envirnonment. :thumbsup:

 

[heyheybooboo]

Kucinich won hands down. He will be our next Presdent.

And on a strictly related note: The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, broadcast on October 29, 2007, video at bottom of page.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Hillary got caught trying to waffle on both sides of her answer regarding Elliot Spitzer's plan to issue drivers' licenses to illegal immigrants. It's a relatively minor issue, but AFIC, it's a good demo of how she tries to dodge and dance around any issue she thinks will lose her votes.

I find it to be a major issue. It puts on display her left-right dance she does constantly, trying to pander to anyone and everyone for votes. I don't think she actually answered a single question that was presented to her last night.

She succeeded in losing mine a long time ago. I'd like to see Edwards get the nomination. I'd settle for Obama. Kucinich is interesting, but I don't think he can get the nomination. He's the only one calling for Bush and Cheney's impeachment, which I fully support.

I actually thought Edwards did pretty good, though I was disappointed with his internet censorship statement. This "for the kids" nonsense has gotten out of hand across the board.
Obama came out, but he didn't swing much. Then again, Clinton bombed, so he may not be penalized for a fairly doldrum performance. Note that I've said previously that Obama is a nice enough guy, and even though I disagree with him on most issues, I'd have no problem with him over Hillary. That's for sure.

 

[ayabe]

Hillary also BS'ed her way through the question about the delayed release of Bill's POTUS records.

I think Dodd and Biden did the best overall they were passionate about what they want and know the issues.

Kucinich did ok, the UFO thing is way out of proportion and doesn't in any way prove he is a kook.

One thing, about the marijuana decriminalization as soon as it was asked the audience laughed and they didn't spend much time on it. Everyone seems to think it's a big joke and is not a serious issue, but it is a REAL problem that needs to be addressed and isn't an impossible task.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: ayabe
Hillary also BS'ed her way through the question about the delayed release of Bill's POTUS records.

Yep. The look on her face as Russert waved the letter that Bill signed to have the documents sealed was priceless. :laugh:

 

[Queasy]

Heh

Clinton: It's just outrageous that under President Bush, the National Institutes of Health have been basically decreased in funding.

The NIH budget in 2001: $20.4 billion
The NIH budget in 2007: $28.6 billion

 

[Lemon law]

I take some amusement watching hard core republicans on this thread take undisguised delight at watching democrats beating up on their fellow democrats.

While being in total denial about the fact that all the Republican candidates for President are unacceptable to the bulk of the American people and any Democrat is going to clobber any Republican in the general election. Because whomever the Republicans nominate, assuming its not Ron Paul, the sell is going to be I will be another GWB. If a genuine moderate like Chuck Hagel would enter the race, the Republicans might stand a chance of winning the white house in 08, but failing that, the GOP seems to be doomed. If GWB could succeed in totally turning Iraq around by 11/08, a GWB clone might stand a chance, but long odds, the readdressed Iraqi insurgencies will flare up again.

On the democratic side, most democrats have not made up our minds, but most will have few problems backing whom ever gets the democratic nominations.

 

[theeedude]

Hillary has it in the bag, and that hasn't changed.

 

[CellarDoor]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Hillary has it in the bag, and that hasn't changed.

Perhaps, but keep in mind that Kerry was like 23% behind Dean in the middle of December 4 years ago.

 

[Lemon law]

It does not matter which democratic candidate seems to have it in the bag now, when the democratic nominee is chosen, that nominee will have it in the bag. The specter of another GWB from the Republicans will seal the deal. The democratic base will support their nominee and the democratic base united far outnumbers the republican base that must rely on cross over dems to win.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: CellarDoor

Originally posted by: senseamp
Hillary has it in the bag, and that hasn't changed.

Perhaps, but keep in mind that Kerry was like 23% behind Dean in the middle of December 4 years ago.

Yeah, but keep in mind that Hillary is no Howard Dean.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CellarDoor

Originally posted by: senseamp
Hillary has it in the bag, and that hasn't changed.

Perhaps, but keep in mind that Kerry was like 23% behind Dean in the middle of December 4 years ago.

Yeah, but keep in mind that Hillary is no Howard Dean.

And the media wasn't actively cheerleading for Dean like they have been for Hillary. The biggest shock to me was that Russert actually asked a tough question directed at Hillary....which was a first.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
It does not matter which democratic candidate seems to have it in the bag now, when the democratic nominee is chosen, that nominee will have it in the bag. The specter of another GWB from the Republicans will seal the deal. The democratic base will support their nominee and the democratic base united far outnumbers the republican base that must rely on cross over dems to win.

This isn't going to be the landslide victory you're making it out to be. Have you checked the Iowa Electronic Markets lately? There's less than a 10% gap between Republicans and Democrats to win the Presidency.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Queasy
And the media wasn't actively cheerleading for Dean like they have been for Hillary. The biggest shock to me was that Russert actually asked a tough question directed at Hillary....which was a first.

Apparently she was stunned, too. The look on her face when Russert didn't allow her to weasel out of a question and asked it again was priceless. And her campaign's attempts today to smear Tim Russert were both disingenuous and disgusting.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: Nebor
It was on TV at this snooty wine bar in Uptown Dallas. The libtards that populate the place were cheering for Hillary and Obama. My date and I went and sat on the patio to avoid it.

Avoiding it will become much harder when a democrat is elected President in 11/2008.

One such as yourself might be better advised to either make GWB less of a GOP boat anchor or to make existing republican candidates more realistic. Doing neither will likely leave you sitting on the patio for four long years at least.

I don't think it's likely to effect me one way or the other who wins. The only issue that matters to me is gun control, and the democrats have by and large given up on it as a political loser. That doesn't totally rule out Hillary and Pelosi putting their gun grabbing heads together and passing another AWB though. Fortunately my west Texas compound has plenty of fire retardation materials and devices.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CellarDoor

Originally posted by: senseamp
Hillary has it in the bag, and that hasn't changed.

Perhaps, but keep in mind that Kerry was like 23% behind Dean in the middle of December 4 years ago.

Yeah, but keep in mind that Hillary is no Howard Dean.

And the media wasn't actively cheerleading for Dean like they have been for Hillary. The biggest shock to me was that Russert actually asked a tough question directed at Hillary....which was a first.

The media is not cheerleading for Hillary. It's trying everything to make Hillary look bad to make it look like more of a contest, because that's what generates ratings. Noone wants to watch a fight that's already in the bag. So the media is trying hard to make it look like more of a tossup. I was watching Chris Matthews yesterday and he was foaming at the mouth attacking Hillary on behalf of Edwards and Obama.