democracy ranking

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: piasabird
The United States is not a democracy, it is a democratic republic. Everyone in the USA does not vote for the laws and does not appprove the taxation by a popular vote.

QFT

Thank you, Captain and Lieutenant Obvious, for being pedantic yet again on this tired 'point'.

There's no one person here who is unaware of this already, as the world has never had a nation that's a 'real democracy' to my knowledge.

You might have realized this someone as every president goes around talking about 'democracy' when they refer to a 'republic'; the word has long come to include both the theoretical real democracy, and republics as well to contrast a republic with 'non-democratic' government where the people are not able to vote for their leaders, i.e. dictatorships.

You aren't informing anyone of anything by trying to push an overly restrictive, obsolete definition of the word. If you must, start with calling the White House.

My annoyed tone is just reflective of this coming up yet again, after repeatedly explaining why it's not a post worth making, with a 'QFT' no less.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Impeachment is removal if it results in a conviction.

Impeachment is not removal, period.

Saying what you said is like saying "being charged is being guilty, if it results in a conviction", or "talking to a girl causes pregnancy, if it leads to unsafe sex while fertile".

Yes, it's often used as shorthand for removal, because it's a key step and a more striking and less cumbersome word than 'conviction by the Senate following impeachment'.

That's fine, but your statement is wrong.

Stop being a pedantic ass just to be an argumentative tool.

I saw that there was something said after this as I edited it out, but I really don't know or care what.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: piasabird
The United States is not a democracy, it is a democratic republic. Everyone in the USA does not vote for the laws and does not appprove the taxation by a popular vote.

QFT

Thank you, Captain and Lieutenant Obvious, for being pedantic yet again on this tired 'point'.

There's no one person here who is unaware of this already, as the world has never had a nation that's a 'real democracy' to my knowledge.

You might have realized this someone as every president goes around talking about 'democracy' when they refer to a 'republic'; the word has long come to include both the theoretical real democracy, and republics as well to contrast a republic with 'non-democratic' government where the people are not able to vote for their leaders, i.e. dictatorships.

You aren't informing anyone of anything by trying to push an overly restrictive, obsolete definition of the word. If you must, start with calling the White House.

My annoyed tone is just reflective of this coming up yet again, after repeatedly explaining why it's not a post worth making, with a 'QFT' no less.

I'm shiiping your pampers and vagacil today.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
I'm shiiping your pampers and vagacil today.

If you want us to know your lack of wit and ability to say anything of substance - good post.

 

[Carlis]

Interesting list. As a native swede I see several question marks about the political situation here. The question is of course whether things are even worse in the rest of the world...

Its true that the list consists mainly of smaller nations as someone pointed out, but it also (more importantly) consist of nations that have not engaged in war to any greater extent. If you are at war with Iraq, Vietnam, Argentina or whatever, then you will be preoccupied with other things than minor trespassing of democratic principles. People will back their governments rather than criticize them. It's the oldest truth.

Someone here stated that the nordic countries do well since they are exceptionally homogenous, which is not really true. Sweden has 12% citizens born in other countries while France has something like 7%, but a far more out of hand situation. Perhaps small potato compared to the US but certainly not compared to the rest of Europe

 

[Nitemare]

Not too surprising

only surprising part was France being that close to the UK

 

[CanOWorms]

Back from the dead, the list that has countries that routinely ban political parties as "full democracies."

 

[BradAtWork]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Back from the dead, the list that has countries that routinely ban political parties as "full democracies."

The US has banned many political organizations, you just call them 'illigal terrorist groups'. The Nazi party in Germany is a terrorist group, hence it is banned.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: BradAtWork

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Back from the dead, the list that has countries that routinely ban political parties as "full democracies."

The US has banned many political organizations, you just call them 'illigal terrorist groups'. The Nazi party in Germany is a terrorist group, hence it is banned.

like who?

we still have a nazi and fascist party in the US

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: BradAtWork

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Back from the dead, the list that has countries that routinely ban political parties as "full democracies."

The US has banned many political organizations, you just call them 'illigal terrorist groups'. The Nazi party in Germany is a terrorist group, hence it is banned.

I'm not talking about the Nazi Party in Germany. Several European countries such as Germany, Belgium, etc. routinely attempt to ban rival political parties that are not linked to terrorism. That is not a full democracy. Minorities are also disenfranchised throughout those countries.

They are pseudo-democracies.

 

[BradAtWork]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: BradAtWork

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Back from the dead, the list that has countries that routinely ban political parties as "full democracies."

The US has banned many political organizations, you just call them 'illigal terrorist groups'. The Nazi party in Germany is a terrorist group, hence it is banned.

I'm not talking about the Nazi Party in Germany. Several European countries such as Germany, Belgium, etc. routinely attempt to ban rival political parties that are not linked to terrorism. That is not a full democracy. Minorities are also disenfranchised throughout those countries.

They are pseudo-democracies.

Link?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: BradAtWork

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: BradAtWork

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Back from the dead, the list that has countries that routinely ban political parties as "full democracies."

The US has banned many political organizations, you just call them 'illigal terrorist groups'. The Nazi party in Germany is a terrorist group, hence it is banned.

I'm not talking about the Nazi Party in Germany. Several European countries such as Germany, Belgium, etc. routinely attempt to ban rival political parties that are not linked to terrorism. That is not a full democracy. Minorities are also disenfranchised throughout those countries.

They are pseudo-democracies.

Link?

Germany

Belgium

Spain

 

[BradAtWork]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: BradAtWork

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: BradAtWork

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Back from the dead, the list that has countries that routinely ban political parties as "full democracies."

The US has banned many political organizations, you just call them 'illigal terrorist groups'. The Nazi party in Germany is a terrorist group, hence it is banned.

I'm not talking about the Nazi Party in Germany. Several European countries such as Germany, Belgium, etc. routinely attempt to ban rival political parties that are not linked to terrorism. That is not a full democracy. Minorities are also disenfranchised throughout those countries.

They are pseudo-democracies.

Link?

Germany

Belgium

Spain

First was a Nazi party.

Second violoted local law.

Third were a terrorist organization.

Try again.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: BradAtWork

First was a Nazi party.

The first one is not a Nazi party. The German government used intelligence agencies to infiltrate the party in an attempt to ban it.

Banning a real political party is not democracy.

Second violoted local law.

It was found guilty in a political trial orchestrated by the government in power because they were losing popularity to the newly banned party. Also, the fact that they can ban a political party for such a thing is ridiculous, especially since their government has the same political ideals as the banned party.

That is not democracy.

Third were a terrorist organization.

No, they are not. They were alleged. That was enough to ban them. No proof. No trial. Nothing. Banned right before the election at the request of the current government.

That is not democracy.

Try again.

It seems that you should be the one to try again.

 

[Farang]

I don't think much of these surveys because our country is larger it will naturally be less democratic. My voice is 1/300,000,000 instead of say, 1/4,500,000 in Norway. That is significantly smaller than my state (Washington). If my state were independent, I could see myself having a much larger role in the process. It isn't impossible to land a state legislature seat, so I could be an MP and get things done. To become a U.S. Congressman is virtually impossible for your average person. You need much better political skills to obtain the higher amount of fund raising needed for the campaign, as well as a lot of luck. The smaller the voice of each individual, as in America compared to Norway, the better opportunity for special interests to gain power over incumbents who stick around Congress for decades. You, as 1/300,000,000 don't have much of a say in it all.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I can't stop laughing at this list. I see countries such as Belgium, Spain, Germany that routinely try to ban political parties ranked in the top 20. Countries with monarchies that threaten democracy as well. It's obvious that it's not a well researched study. It's most likely the product of a Eurosupremacist.

we can't stop laughing with your troll posts

 

[miketheidiot]

ah necro thread.