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Democracy and the Egyptian Arab Spring- wasted. A new dictator arises

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Incorruptible said:
Morsi was the same guy with his party saying they would reclaim Jerusalem and he is an extremist. obama supported these guys and you think obama is alright?

The current state of our country is terrible, we have too much taxes, spending and regulation. The government violates the civil liberties and supports a welfare state. We aren't Egypt but we are living with tyranny
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You are a complete fucking moron. You insult anyone who has ever actually lived in tyranny by suggest you even know what it means, let alone to suggest you live in it.

The fact that you are here, right now, spouting this garbage freely is evidence enough.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
You are a complete fucking moron. You insult anyone who has ever actually lived in tyranny by suggest you even know what it means, let alone to suggest you live in it.

The fact that you are here, right now, spouting this garbage freely is evidence enough.
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We dont have full liberty though, look at the assassination of American citizens like al-awlaki, civil liberties being violated with the Patriot Act, TSA and NDAA, free speech under attack-muhamad video, income tax- theft of property

We dont have full liberty and the government is engaging in tyranny, you want to be a blind partisan hack then go ahead but dont expect me to support or agree with your views
 
Incorruptible said:
We dont have full liberty though, look at the assassination of American citizens like al-awlaki, civil liberties being violated with the Patriot Act, TSA and NDAA, free speech under attack-muhamad video, income tax- theft of property

We dont have full liberty and the government is engaging in tyranny, you want to be a blind partisan hack then go ahead but dont expect me to support or agree with your views
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It's telling that what you call partisan hackery (and holy shit are you dense) most would consider rational thought.
 
Anyone who thinks the Muslim Brotherhood doesn't want Islam (and by necessity, Sharia) to dominate the world is fooling themselves. Muslims don't *want* freedom. They want to live in submission to Allah. This has historically lead to them also living in submission to tyrants.
 
Incorruptible said:
We dont have full liberty though, look at the assassination of American citizens like al-awlaki, civil liberties being violated with the Patriot Act, TSA and NDAA, free speech under attack-muhamad video, income tax- theft of property

We dont have full liberty and the government is engaging in tyranny, you want to be a blind partisan hack then go ahead but dont expect me to support or agree with your views
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i was young when the brazilian dictatorship ended, but you clearly don't have an idea what you are talking about...

have passed almost 30 years now, yet there is still many missing people that we don't really know what happened, because they were "political arrested"....
actually, just a post like yours would be enought to make you to go to jail and tortured

to you have an idea.... Our own story have been distorced, we have many "Robin Hoods" heroes, just because our history teachers were pro-socialist...

haven't you feel ashemed yet? say no....and i can continue for several days
 
yllus said:
The Egyptian people seem to have once again been galvanized into action, this time against the Muslim Brotherhood potentially seizing absolute power. I hope fate is on their side.
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brave people. I am very impressed and wish them well.
 
yllus said:
The Egyptian people seem to have once again been galvanized into action, this time against the Muslim Brotherhood potentially seizing absolute power. I hope fate is on their side.
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Egypt actually has a very long history of this kind of thing.

The Egyptian military has overthrown the government and made an effort to return it to the people multiple times.
 
Wasted? There are massive protests. Arabs have tasted freedom, there's no going back.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...ers-article-1.1206966?localLinksEnabled=false

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MomentsofSanity said:
You are a complete fucking moron. You insult anyone who has ever actually lived in tyranny by suggest you even know what it means, let alone to suggest you live in it.

The fact that you are here, right now, spouting this garbage freely is evidence enough.
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Funny that's what Democrats and other leftists were suggesting back when Bush was president.
 
The Obama admin and Muslim Bros and Soros and socialist groups were agitating student groups years before uprising. The students and other sincere protesters were just used as a Trojan horse for the Islamic hardliners anyone with a brain knew was coming.

"America's secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising"

Egypt protests: America's secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising
The American government secretly backed leading figures behind the Egyptian uprising who have been planning “regime change” for the past three years, The Daily Telegraph has learned.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...acking-for-rebel-leaders-behind-uprising.html


"Our coverage of the Arab Spring was over-excited, admits BBC"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ur-big-stories-Libya-Egypt.html#ixzz2D4zmN4jk
 
DucatiMonster696 said:
The problem here is the MB has a lot of supporters on the street willing to go toe to toe with these "massive protests". This isn't like Mubarak who was universally hated by all sides.
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Sadly thats true. No one l knows how this will turn out, but a small consolation is that Morsi and the MB have revealed themselves.
 
waggy said:
brave people. I am very impressed and wish them well.
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Just because they can fight any unpopular incumbent up there (which they willingly elected in the first place) doesn't mean the society itself can produce somebody who is genuinely capable and accepted instead of yet another power-crazed madman. Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong had non-democratic authoritarian governments for significant periods and all of them did far better than the best Arab democracies had to offer.
 
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StrangerGuy said:
Just they can fight any unpopular incumbent up there (which they willingly elected in the first place) doesn't mean the society itself can produce somebody who is genuinely capable and accepted instead of yet another power-crazed madman. Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong had non-democratic authoritarian governments for significant periods and all of them did far better than the best ME democracies had to offer.
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It is quite difficult with a lot of the ME countries being "one trick pony" economies.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Sadly thats true. No one l knows how this will turn out, but a small consolation is that Morsi and the MB have revealed themselves.
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They revealed themselves to the truly naive people who thought the MB were getting a bum wrap from the "racists" ant-Muslim crowd.

However those of us who could plainly and clearly see what these guys were up to and understood what these guys stood for are/were not fooled.

Don't you think its really ironic and sad how people who defended and/or supported the MB or worse kept themselves willfully ignorant of the threat they posed were all to willing to put on the blinders in regards to this group? They did so because it didn't suit their own personal political and social agenda at the time to see the reality of the threat they posed. Basically a lot of people were willing to try and slap on lipstick on this pig and were willing to pretend it could fly.
 
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Acanthus said:
Egypt actually has a very long history of this kind of thing.

The Egyptian military has overthrown the government and made an effort to return it to the people multiple times.
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They have a pretty good history of overthrowing the government and keeping power for themselves, too. But we might as well be optimistic.

finglobes said:
The Obama admin and Muslim Bros and Soros and socialist groups were agitating student groups years before uprising. The students and other sincere protesters were just used as a Trojan horse for the Islamic hardliners anyone with a brain knew was coming.

"America's secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising"

Egypt protests: America's secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising
The American government secretly backed leading figures behind the Egyptian uprising who have been planning “regime change” for the past three years, The Daily Telegraph has learned.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...acking-for-rebel-leaders-behind-uprising.html
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That's odd - American political leaders are usually much more pragmatic than principled. Pragmatism would have led Obama to wholeheartedly embrace Mubarak, as his regime was if not exactly friendly to the U.S. and Israel, but at least occasionally cooperative. The fledgling democracies in Afghanistan and Iraq have proved to be nearly the complete opposite, so logically democracy would be a negative result in American eyes.
 
I wonder how much the military really backs Morsi. The people certainly seemed to be lining up against him. His ploy could really backfire on him bigtime. His best chance of hanging onto power may be an outright push for an Islamic theocracy, which would probably plunge Eygpt into either civil war or something very close to it. In any event his most recent action pretty much slams the door on the US Congress releasing the aid to Eygpt, something that was more likely than not just 24 hours ago.

What a clusterf*ck Eygpt is turning into. It certainly has resulted purely as a result of internal Eygptian pressures, but you can be guaranteed by the Sunday talk shows McCain and his ilk will be blaming it on Obama.

Just when it looked like Eygpt
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Sadly thats true. No one l knows how this will turn out, but a small consolation is that Morsi and the MB have revealed themselves.
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There are plenty of people, in all of these Middle Eastern Countries, that are sick and tired of oppressive regimes, whether they are Government (Dictatorship) or Theocracy (Al Qaeda).

The problem is they are being oppressed, and they need help.

That help will only come from Regime Change, or Colonization.

That's where we are at folks... we have to use every ounce of our Military, Society, and Political might, to colonize these countries!

Take them. Take them now.

Let history judge us.

-John
 
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