Delta Airline has few hundreds jobs available, guess how many applied?

[soulcougher73]

I imagine the first step is not becoming house poor.

Or living outside your means.

 

[Unheard]

Really, do you? I live just outside of Nashville and there is no way you could live comfortably on 41k. Tell us how you do it.

I did it for quite a few years at that salary. It's called living with in your means.

 

[soulcougher73]

I love how so many people seem to think the US revolves around SF, LA, NY, Chicago etc pay scales. Of course $41k in those cities wouldnt be much, but in the rest of the real US that is a decent salary. Not amazing, but decent.

 

[bfdd]

I can't imagine a place in the US that $41,000 is considered "Good Pay".

It's OK at best, unlivable at worst. Even in the boondocks.

75 hours a month to make 41k? I'm down sign me up. I like airplanes. Hell I could do that job and my current job seeing as I can do most my current work from home as it is.

 

[Throckmorton]

That's $41k for half time

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Wait, I thought unemployed Americans were lazy unemployment check collecting whores?

they are.
their UI ran out and now they're have trouble funding their beer indulgences.
desperate times call for desperate measures. and in this case, it means actually working for their money.

 

[LumbergTech]

Ok, people, read the article again.

41K is the top scale pay AFTER you have 12 years or more. You DO NOT get pay 41K right of the bat, $20,952 will be the starting pay.

My point is where are all the "shovel ready" jobs from hundreds of billion stimulus? People are desperate for jobs and there are A LOT of competion for a small number of jobs (not great paying) available.

you do realize that the people who are flight attendants are not the same people who are going to be building infrastructure?

 

[bfdd]

I'd still take 21k a year to work 75 hours a month on top of my regular schedule. That give me a 60 hour work week, yeah that ain't shit.

 

[kranky]

Do people understand how the 75 hours is calculated? From the time the plane door closes until the door opens again after landing?

Let's say you're working a 2-hour flight from your home airport. You arrive 30 minutes before the flight leaves. Arriving at the airport, you park the car, wait for the shuttle to take you to the terminal, go through security, walk through the terminal to the gate. That's probably 20 minutes or more. Add your travel time to the airport.

Two hours later, you arrive in another city. Your pay stops. 20 minutes watching people disembark before you get to leave the plane. Maybe you have to wait 3 hours for the 2 hour return flight. Add 20 minutes to get from the gate to your car.

Total pay: 4 hours. Total time spent: 9.5 hours + your round-trip commuting time.

Sometimes you have to stay overnight before you can return home. No pay for that.

The point is that 75 hours of paid work is likely to occupy the vast majority of available working hours.

 

[bfdd]

Do people understand how the 75 hours is calculated? From the time the plane door closes until the door opens again after landing?

Let's say you're working a 2-hour flight from your home airport. You arrive 30 minutes before the flight leaves. Arriving at the airport, you park the car, wait for the shuttle to take you to the terminal, go through security, walk through the terminal to the gate. That's probably 20 minutes or more. Add your travel time to the airport.

Two hours later, you arrive in another city. Your pay stops. 20 minutes watching people disembark before you get to leave the plane. Maybe you have to wait 3 hours for the 2 hour return flight. Add 20 minutes to get from the gate to your car.

Total pay: 4 hours. Total time spent: 9.5 hours + your round-trip commuting time.

Sometimes you have to stay overnight before you can return home. No pay for that.

The point is that 75 hours of paid work is likely to occupy the vast majority of available working hours.

Then they should pay for it, if flight attendants are allowing themselves to be screwed over pay that's on them. Only a fucking moron would sit around for 3 hours FOR A JOB and not get paid for it. Sure you can't change it now, but I don't feel bad for them if that's what they've allowed their profession to evolve into. Pathetic.

 

[alphatarget1]

Arm doors for departure.

 

[Throckmorton]

Then they should pay for it, if flight attendants are allowing themselves to be screwed over pay that's on them. Only a fucking moron would sit around for 3 hours FOR A JOB and not get paid for it. Sure you can't change it now, but I don't feel bad for them if that's what they've allowed their profession to evolve into. Pathetic.

They should unionize.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Ok, people, read the article again.

41K is the top scale pay AFTER you have 12 years or more. You DO NOT get pay 41K right of the bat, $20,952 will be the starting pay.

My point is where are all the "shovel ready" jobs from hundreds of billion stimulus? People are desperate for jobs and there are A LOT of competion for a small number of jobs (not great paying) available.

NT trying to bring this back to your original party hackmanship point.

 

[shira]

Not a few hundreds, not a few thousands but....

http://www.ajc.com/business/delta-hiring-hundreds-85-683179.html



Hummm.... summer of recovery, eh? Hundreds of billions spent on the stimulus program, where are the good paying shovel ready jobs?

How about the summer of no catastrophic collapse? Or aren't you sufficiently clever to understand that that a large consensus of economists believes that "doing nothing" would have led to Great Depression 2, and that the the actual policies pursued by the Bush and Obama administrations are widely believed to have averted that collapse?

 

[bfdd]

They should unionize.

They should if they are getting screwed like that. They'd probably have to take a slightly lower wage, but they'd be paid for all their time "on the job". I have nothing against unions Throckmorton, I just don't like the power they've gained from idiotic legislation. I believe as long as the 1st Amendment is enforced, nothing else is needed to protect the unions and the rights of their members.

 

[Bateluer]

I can't imagine a place in the US that $41,000 is considered "Good Pay".

It's OK at best, unlivable at worst. Even in the boondocks.

41K is more than I've made at my previous jobs, its a very livable wage in many regions so long as you're not a dumbass with your money.

How about the summer of no catastrophic collapse? Or aren't you sufficiently clever to understand that that a large consensus of economists believes that "doing nothing" would have led to Great Depression 2, and that the the actual policies pursued by the Bush and Obama administrations are widely believed to have averted that collapse?

Half believe the stimulus bills averted Depression 2.0, the other half believe the stimulus was a complete waste. At best, that's hardly conclusive.

 

[OrByte]

Ok, people, read the article again.

41K is the top scale pay AFTER you have 12 years or more. You DO NOT get pay 41K right of the bat, $20,952 will be the starting pay.

My point is where are all the "shovel ready" jobs from hundreds of billion stimulus? People are desperate for jobs and there are A LOT of competion for a small number of jobs (not great paying) available.

I dunno, ask all the companies that got tax breaks from the 100s of billions in stimulus money and see why they aren't hiring?

 

[Svnla]

How about the summer of no catastrophic collapse? Or aren't you sufficiently clever to understand that that a large consensus of economists believes that "doing nothing" would have led to Great Depression 2, and that the the actual policies pursued by the Bush and Obama administrations are widely believed to have averted that collapse?

Aren't you sufficiently clever to remember the line "if we pass this stimulus, unemployment won't go up". Remember that? What was the unemployment rate before and after the stimulus? Heh??

Since you are soooo sufficiently clever, why don't you tell us not as smart folks how many jobs created from the hundreds of billion stimulus bill?

 

[Svnla]

you do realize that the people who are flight attendants are not the same people who are going to be building infrastructure?

Yes, they are not the same type of jobs.

Let me put it this way. Where are the freaking jobs from hundreds of billion of dollars that we spent?

 

[shira]

Aren't you sufficiently clever to remember the line "if we pass this stimulus, unemployment won't go up". Remember that? What was the unemployment rate before and after the stimulus? Heh??

Since you are soooo sufficiently clever, why don't you tell us not as smart folks how many jobs created from the hundreds of billion stimulus bill?

Actually, unemployment HAS gone down, from 10 percent to 9.5 percent. As to jobs, you seems to be implying that had nothing been done, we'd have lost just as many jobs as we actually lost. In fact, the CBO estimated that the stimulus had created 2.8 million jobs as of May, 2010, and would end up creating a total of 3.7 millions jobs by the end of September.

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/801-economy/99915-cbo-finds-stimulus-bill-boosted-job-growth

Or aren't you sufficiently clever to understand English?

 

[shira]

Yes, they are not the same type of jobs.

Let me put it this way. Where are the freaking jobs from hundreds of billion of dollars that we spent?

Read my previous post. You seem to be incapable of understanding that if a horrible economy is causing jobs to be shed, the net effect of a stimulus may be to merely counter-balance the ongoing loss of jobs. So even if total employment doesn't change, a stimulus may be highly successful.

 

[Svnla]

Actually, unemployment HAS gone down, from 10 percent to 9.5 percent. As to jobs, you seems to be implying that had nothing been done, we'd have lost just as many jobs as we actually lost. In fact, the CBO estimated that the stimulus had created 2.8 million jobs as of May, 2010, and would end up creating a total of 3.7 millions jobs by the end of September.

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/801-economy/99915-cbo-finds-stimulus-bill-boosted-job-growth

Or aren't you sufficiently clever to understand English?

Again, I asked the unemployment rate BEFORE and AFTER the stimulus bill.

What was the unemployment rate before and after the stimulus?

Let say for a second that your 3.7 million jobs created is correct and the stimulus bill was "wholy" responsible (debatable). How many hundreds of BILLIONS (787 BILLIONS) we spent? Funny that you did not bring that up. Aren't you sufficiently clever enough to read?

......stimulus may be highly successful

Highly sucessful? Really? Polls after polls say otherwise and we will see in November 2nd if your statement or mine is correct or sufficiently clever.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Well spending billions is why they call it a stimulus.

Keep swinging for those fences.

 

[db]

The number of people applying for airline jobs--especially flight attendant--has always been high. In fact, TWA used to charge people $20 just to apply b/c they wanted to cut down on frivolous applications (and make some money).

Delta's advertising for jobs (or simply the article's appearance in Delta's corporate home town paper) may also be related to the fact that there is a unionization vote going on there.

 

[shira]

Again, I asked the unemployment rate BEFORE and AFTER the stimulus bill.
Let say for a second that your 3.7 million jobs created is correct and the stimulus bill was "wholy" responsible (debatable). How many hundreds of BILLIONS (787 BILLIONS) we spent? Funny that you did not bring that up. Aren't you sufficiently clever enough to read?



Highly sucessful? Really? Polls after polls say otherwise and we will see in November 2nd if your statement or mine is correct or sufficiently clever.

Again, you're showing your ignorance. This stated purpose of ARRA wasn't just to create jobs:

Section 3 of ARRA listed the basic intent behind crafting the proposal. This Statement of Purpose included the following:

1. To preserve and create jobs and promote economic recovery.
2. To assist those most impacted by the recession.
3. To provide investments needed to increase economic efficiency by spurring technological advances in science and health.
4. To invest in transportation, environmental protection, and other infrastructure that will provide long-term economic benefits.
5. To stabilize State and local government budgets, in order to minimize and avoid reductions in essential services and counterproductive state and local tax increases.

Now, why don't you present us with your analysis of the bill's effectiveness in achieving items 2 through 5.

Furthermore:

According to a March 2009 Industry Survey of and by the National association of Business Economists, 70.6% of their economists who had reviewed the fiscal stimulus enacted in February 2009 projected it would have modest to strong impact in shortening the recession, with 29.4% anticipating little or no impact. The aspects of the stimulus expected by the NABE to have the greatest effectiveness were physical infrastructure, unemployment benefits expansion, and personal tax-rate cuts.

(Both of the above quotations are from the Wikipedia article on the ARRA.)

Those poll results about the economy mean only that the ignorant masses are unhappy that the economy isn't better.