Dell vs. IBM which should i choose and why?

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daddyo

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As for "business class"...

The latitude has a more solid construction than the inspiron, I've felt both. The latitude also has a trackpoint AND trackpad, vs. just the trackpad on the inspiron. Also, the standard warranty on the business class is 3 year onsite, and the 3 year warranty with CompleteCare is only a small upgrade cost.
 

NeoHC421

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Choices, choices... dell decides to release a new line of comps, the 700m... it seems like its smaller and a tad bit lighter, but i dunno if i'd wanna be dell's guinea pig on a new line of comps... plus it takes 25 days to build.

on the other hand, i was wondering if anyone knew what the difference is between the IBM t40, t41 and t42...

update on decision process: dell is being friggin retarded because now their coupons are worthless... (they have online discount, and coupons don't stack on top of them, they just replace them) so now the price disparity on dells and ibms are shortening. now, the cheapest i can configure the dell 600m is about 1500 (1.6 GHz, 64MB radeon, SXGA, wifi b/g, bluetooth, 60GB HDD, DVD/CD-RW) after taking the discount (not a hot deal, IMO)

The IBM T42 2378DUU is about a hundred bucks more for 100GHz less, 20 GB less HDD, lower resolution and 32MB smaller sized radeon...

THIS SUCKS!

I would spend more, but there seem to be no good deals right now. anybody have any suggestions?
 

coolVariable

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I have to disagree with the IBM friendly replies.
We just got a new IBM T40 at the office.

For $2400 this thing is slower than my x300 from half a year ago (cost at that time $2000).
The build seems absolutely laughable compared to the Dell. Cheap plastic compared to at least stylish plastic.
Crappy design vs. the best designed laptop I have seen so far.
Same ports with the IBM only lacking Firewire (come on ... there is so much hardware for it).
You need a key for the IBM base station (WTHF?).
x300 is slightly thinner (otherwise the same size).
The IBM is slightly lighter than the x300.
The x300 Keyboard has a much better, more modern feel to it.

x300: touchpad vs IBM T40 little button thingy (which sucks).

Dude, get a Dell.
And for the price difference to the IBM - get a full-everything-warranty ;)
 

jkresh

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t40/t41/t42 basically deal with configurations ie graphics/processor screen... Shell is the same as far as I know
 

DaFinn

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People are comparing IBM to DELL... phhhlease! As a person who has used both: GET IBM, PERIOD.
(Dells suck donkey ballssss)
 

Wuzup101

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I will say that from the experience I've had with dell's latitude series of laptops they are very nice. My roomate at school has a Latitude V505 (I think that's the model...) and it's very solidly built. the keyboard is MUCH nicer than that of any inspiron I've ever used. Also, my best friend who has an inspiron 5100 just had me setup a wireless network at his house. His father has a Latitude D800 (okay so i know the number is right here...) and I was suprised how nice the machine actually was. He had the ultra high resolution wide screan and it was a beauity. The notebook was almost as thin as my 15" Powerbook and I would guess that it didnt' weigh over 6lbs despite having a very large screen (15.4 WS I think). Anyway, my friend's inspiron couldn't even compare (I had them sitting right next to eachother). The keyboard on the latitude series alone makes them better computers than the inspiron series. Now don't get me wrong, an inspiron is better than nothing. But if you're going to compare a dell to an IBM T series do it right. The inspiron isn't THAT far off...
 

jamesbond007

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NeoHC421, sorry I cannot answer your comparision between the IBM laptops, but I would like to give you my input/experience.

As far as Dells go, I have not personally had any problems with their customer service reps. They do seem to be foreign, but they have over-night aired a replacement optical drive for an Inspiron 8000 I had. No problems, they covered the shipping back, too.

As far as the quality of Dell. Well, they are plastic, at least the Inspirons that I've used. I treat my electronics with extreme care. It's not the fact that I'm afraid to break it, it's just that it is my property and I take great care to what belongs to me. If you are a more 'relaxed' type of person who may be considered to be more rough on hardware, then construction should be #1 priority. I have not owned an IBM in my time, but I have used them and they seem to be built of very good quality.

PERSONALLY, I would go with Dell. Why? I don't need uber-strong construction as I'm careful with my things. I prefer power and performance over name/construction quality. Also, I like to save money.

One word of advice: Get the best warranty you can afford. I like to recommend a 3 year mail-in with complete care to match. On-site repair is nice, but not always necessary, and it costs a bit more.

Good luck with your decision!
 

jvarszegi

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I've owned four Dell laptops over the years; my current workhorse is an Inspiron 8200. I had such extreme problems with their customer service and support that I'll never buy from them again.

Some Dell customers may say that the service is all right, but of course that's to be expected; they can't screw up all the time, because that would imply a sort of f**ed-up efficiency. Go to sites like epinions.com, though, and notice all the extremely dissatisfied users! It's like a quarter to a third of the people are rabidly anti-Dell after buying one and experiencing the support.

The T42p is the best machine money can buy right now, hands down-- better than Voodoo or the Sager POS heavy-ass laptops that some people seem to crave. The T42 is basically an updated T41; I don't believe that the T41, for instance, offers Dothan. If you get an IBM, you'll want some flavor of T42. You should be able to get into one for $2000 or less.

One of my Dells in the past (older Inspiron) fell apart at the seams, literally; one side of the case just opened up and the hinge fell apart. My last Inspiron, an 8100 which at the time was a top-of-the-line machine, came with a cracked motherboard; replaced. The screen went out not one, not two, but three times and was replaced every time, and afterwards would still occasionally get wicked hot and cut off (don't ask, they never figured it out, even after the mobo replacement and two new backlights). Toward the tail end of my experience with this laptop, both batteries failed to be recognized/charged by the system; even an OS and driver reinstall didn't help, and I just let the warranty lapse in disgust. It's still bootable, but I only start it up in case I want to check the hard drive for files; I'm probably going to remount the hard drive in an external enclosure and heave the goddamned thing into the dumpster.

Why did I buy an 8200 afterward? Because I was all excited over the Mobility Radeon 9000 64MB, and it was the only laptop around that had it at the time, and the price was okay. I also figured that my bad experiences with Dell were just a run of bad luck-- wrong. I had a royal PITA experience afterward with which I won't bore you.

Oh, just one more thing: it's not only their service but their entire back-end workflow that sucks. Their reps can never tell you when something will arrive, or where it is in the build process, and their website doesn't have up-to-the-minute data; if it's accurate to within three days you're lucky. I ordered a desktop from them with expedited shipping; their website said it hadn't yet been boxed the day it was delivered, left outside in a snowstorm with a pile of snow on top of the box and a gaping hole in the side. I s**t you not. The crappy delivery was at least partly the fault of the delivery service, sure-- but they didn't know the goddamned thing had even been put in the box.

Oh, just one more thing :) : their US-based support has always sucked, so it can't all be blamed on shipping things out to India. Their second-level tech support sucks too-- they just sit there like dumb monkeys reading things off of troubleshooting scripts, instead of being experts in their field. You usually wind up being on the phone with them for about three to four hours (including multiple wait times) before they make the decision to ship out a new part and have done with it. It's my honest belief that they keep track of the minutes spent-- that they have a required level of customer suffering for every part they ship out.

So, Dell sucks-- but luckily, in IBM, you have the best alternative in the world. (Fujitsu makes great small-and-light laptops too, but their smaller ones all have crappy graphics.)