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Dell reintroduces XP, following consumer pressure

AnitaPeterson

AnitaPeterson

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6575089.stm

This is funny... people are voting with their wallets, and it seems Microsoft is losing ground with their Millenium Mark2.... errr, I meant Vista operating system.

Considering Dell is nowadays the second largest systems manufacturer (after HP), this calls for reflection, despite protests from Redmond about the disgruntled consumers being a "minority".

IMHO, Vista is bloatware, and considering that Vienna is slated for next year, I have absolutely no intention to downgrade my computing capabilities for just a pretty interface and a hefty sum gone out of my pockets...
 
Originally posted by: AnitaPetersonIMHO, Vista is bloatware, and considering that Vienna is slated for next year, I have absolutely no intention to downgrade my computing capabilities for just a pretty interface and a hefty sum gone out of my pockets...
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Even though it is slated, figure at least 1-2 year slippage unless they are going to do a half assed job.

 
Vista just requires more hardware to run and is incompatible with much of the existing software. Microsofts attitude is we have to buy their new operating system or else. This sounds like a Nazi Tactic.
 
Well FWIW, a lot of enterprise/commercial software doesn't support Vista yet. None of the software we use at work is Vista compatible. CCH sent out emails and stuff saying that any system running Vista won't be offered support if you run into a problem. Same thing with MAS 90 / 200. On MAS 90 it simply won't run, just generates errors.

People get these great deals on Dell's, then I tell them they have to:

1. Go buy Windows XP
2. Pay me to install it
3. Pay me to install the software they were having come over and install to begin with

So an $80 job turns into several hundred.

So until that sort of software runs, it ain't gonna sell.
 
It's not Microsoft's fault that software companies can't support their software. Vista is a great operating system... 99% of the troubles people have are related to SOFTWARE or DRIVERS, neither of which are the responsibilites of Microsoft.

It seems everyone around here blames MS about any problems with Vista, meanwhile it's the software companies that are screwing everyone.
 
Originally posted by: Extelleron
It's not Microsoft's fault that software companies can't support their software. Vista is a great operating system... 99% of the troubles people have are related to SOFTWARE or DRIVERS, neither of which are the responsibilites of Microsoft.

It seems everyone around here blames MS about any problems with Vista, meanwhile it's the software companies that are screwing everyone.
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Vista just isn't that great . . . if you've used Mac OS10. Even for XP users, it's really nothing special. On the otherhand, Vista is an absolute disaster when it comes to working with PRE-EXISTING software and hardware.

Maybe it's time for some revision in the old MO of M$FT dictating and the rest of the computer industry bending over to say, "yes Master may I have another . . . " The world just isn't dependent on the 'next' thing from Microsoft. In part that's due to prior products from Microsoft getting better. But it's also due to the fact that most of the world's software is not produced by Microsoft. I just doesn't make sense to limit innovation to the edicts from Redmond.
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Vista just isn't that great . . . if you've used Mac OS10. Even for XP users, it's really nothing special. On the otherhand, Vista is an absolute disaster when it comes to working with PRE-EXISTING software and hardware.

Maybe it's time for some revision in the old MO of M$FT dictating and the rest of the computer industry bending over to say, "yes Master may I have another . . . " The world just isn't dependent on the 'next' thing from Microsoft. In part that's due to prior products from Microsoft getting better. But it's also due to the fact that most of the world's software is not produced by Microsoft. I just doesn't make sense to limit innovation to the edicts from Redmond.
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Well, i think releasing new OS's is still a good thing, but Microsoft needs to do it differently. They need to make it more worth the pain to upgrade. It definitely needs more new features/performance (such as better file system) and better security. A better way of making older apps compatible would be good too, similar to what OS X did with the various "layers" of compatibility that it had in it.

Also, having 4 or 5 different versions of Windows did not help, it just makes it confusing and to get the good versions it is actually more expensive than it was to buy Windows XP Pro back when it came out.
 
To Extelleron---who just told one of the whoppers of the new century--99% of the troubles people have are related to SOFTWARE or DRIVERS, neither of which are the responsibilites of Microsoft.

It was microsofts job to get with the software developers and get them the details of the new OS so they could write software and drivers in a timely manner. Instead microsoft waits until the last minute and pushes the cost on other companies to support THEIR OS----only the gullible and stupid blame anyone other than microsoft for these woes---and its also why smart people wait at least a year to buy a new microsoft OS.

As for dell, they probably had a large inventory of hardware not yet assembled into PC's, the hardware would not pull the bloat of vista, but would work with XP quite nicely. And allows the consumer to buy a dell PC for about $100.00 less.---with zero of those savings being in the OS itself.

What microsoft needs in the worst way is to have their OS division busted into two or more pieces---or some Chinese or Indian OS is likely going to provide that competitive spark needed. No competition has lead us to bloat and stagnation---and its a everyone loses.
 
Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6575089.stm

This is funny... people are voting with their wallets, and it seems Microsoft is losing ground with their Millenium Mark2.... errr, I meant Vista operating system.

Considering Dell is nowadays the second largest systems manufacturer (after HP), this calls for reflection, despite protests from Redmond about the disgruntled consumers being a "minority".

IMHO, Vista is bloatware, and considering that Vienna is slated for next year, I have absolutely no intention to downgrade my computing capabilities for just a pretty interface and a hefty sum gone out of my pockets...
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Looks like a lot of Microsoft Shills on AT as you can see below:

Q]Originally posted by: Smilin
Originally posted by: Smilin

12 people just came in and slammed dmcowen674 in under an hour.

I foresee a new topic change about to happen again.
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...my visions of the future have come to pass as foretold...

I now predect pwnage yet again... [/quote]

Gee look 10,700 people agree with me.

Hmmmm 12 Vs 10,7000

4-20-2007 Dell once again offers Windows XP

Back by popular demand: Windows XP.

PC maker Dell Inc. said on its Web site Thursday it will once again let home PC buyers choose between Microsoft Corp.'s older operating system and Windows Vista when they purchase certain new machines.

Dell, like many computer makers, stopped offering XP on most home desktops and laptops soon after Vista launched at the end of January.

But on Dell's IdeaStorm Web site, where visitors can post suggestions for the company and vote on the ones they think are important, a plea titled "Don't eliminate XP just yet" racked up more than 10,700 votes.

"We heard you loud and clear on bringing the Windows XP option back to our Dell consumer PC offerings," Dell responded in a Web posting Thursday.

This comes just weeks after Dell said it is also planning to offer PCs with Linux, a free operating system that competes with Windows.

"This is really odd," said Michael Silver, research vice president at Gartner. "On new PCs, consumers usually do want the latest and greatest."

Microsoft countered that Dell's move was in response to a "small minority of customers" with a "specific request." Michael Burk, a product manager for Microsoft's Windows Client group, said in an e-mailed statement, "The vast majority of consumers want the latest and greatest technology, and that includes Windows Vista."
 
Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6575089.stm

This is funny... people are voting with their wallets, and it seems Microsoft is losing ground with their Millenium Mark2.... errr, I meant Vista operating system.

Considering Dell is nowadays the second largest systems manufacturer (after HP), this calls for reflection, despite protests from Redmond about the disgruntled consumers being a "minority".

IMHO, Vista is bloatware, and considering that Vienna is slated for next year, I have absolutely no intention to downgrade my computing capabilities for just a pretty interface and a hefty sum gone out of my pockets...
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Meanwhile, sales to business is up http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-6149468.html

So much FUD. With all due respect, Vista is anything but bloat. You simply dont know what youre talking about. People who claim all this cr@p about bloatware, DRM invasion, and all the other stuff have these 2 things incommon:

They havent used it for more than 30 days, and havent delved into it features, nor would they know what there looking for anyway;

and have *NEVER* read a whitepaper about their concern I can get as technical as you want if you have concerns, But Vista is a far superior OS than XP.

As far as program incompatibility, wasw anyone around for the XP launch? Talk about a disaster. And if you think XP is such a shining gem, you've never looked through technical boards re: OS's. There is STILL sooo many problems with it.

edit: pre-coffee spelling errors 🙂
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
Vista just requires more hardware to run and is incompatible with much of the existing software. Microsofts attitude is we have to buy their new operating system or else. This sounds like a Nazi Tactic.
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That's always been there marketing tactic, that's why they're so rich.... and unpopular.
 
Originally posted by: Chriz
Having 4 or 5 different versions of Windows did not help, it just makes it confusing and to get the good versions it is actually more expensive than it was to buy Windows XP Pro back when it came out.
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You will see the Corporate shills come in and claim inflation on software. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Chriz
Having 4 or 5 different versions of Windows did not help, it just makes it confusing and to get the good versions it is actually more expensive than it was to buy Windows XP Pro back when it came out.
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You will see the Corporate shills come in and claim inflation on software. :roll:
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I guess you've never counted how many versions of XP there are lol

Yea, there's a ton of options, but Im not sure what that has to do with the QUALITY of the software itself. M$ is the whipping boy for problems (on some things rightfully so), so no matter how many versions they released, people would b1tch.
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
Vista just requires more hardware to run and is incompatible with much of the existing software. Microsofts attitude is we have to buy their new operating system or else. This sounds like a Nazi Tactic.
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And you think Mac OS is really different? I used a MAC primarily upto and including OS 7. The reason I moved to a Win based PC? It would have costed way to much to update my hardware to accomodate OS10. AND...the proggies I used werent compatible either. Why is this a Microsoft pitfall I'll never know. Its all about progress.
 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Chriz
Having 4 or 5 different versions of Windows did not help, it just makes it confusing and to get the good versions it is actually more expensive than it was to buy Windows XP Pro back when it came out.
Click to expand...

You will see the Corporate shills come in and claim inflation on software. :roll:
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I guess you've never counted how many versions of XP there are lol
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2
 
face the facts---the reason microsoft has a monopoly is that only they can use the x86 code base---and something like linux uses incomputable software and an incompatible file
system---in short microsoft has the patents---and who is the biggest patent thief in the world?--microsoft.

And cheer up---congress is considering monkeying around with patent laws---could have interesting implications.
 
i don't recall a situation such as this when xp got released. so, there clearly is a difference in how these OS's are perceived at the time of their deployment.

as previously mentioned, smart folks will wait until vista gets its first service patch, most will get vista just because it got shipped with their brand spanking new PC and feel they have no choice in the matter. others feel really comfortable with xp and simply don't want to bother getting a handle on a new OS or are afraid of it for various reasons - ie - new OS = new problems to deal with.

i got it because i needed to know where it screws things up so i can repair and resolve issues like i know what i'm doing, and i wanted to drive it around the block a few times to see how it reacts to my hardware/software configurations.

dell is reacting responsibly. kudos to them. it's not doing anything that it shouldn't. imho, protecting your market share by responding to a specific need from what looks to be a significant portion of your customer base sells more PC's. nothing wrong with that.

if gates has a problem with vista's release it's a problem he created himself. he either didn't do enough market research or he got too arrogant for his own good. it's not his customer's fault that a portion are reacting to vista in an unfavorable way.

we all had to suffer through millenium's release, and if you ask around people are still using win98 just becausethey don't need anything more.

it's on microsoft's head to convince it's customer base that their new OS is a must have and not its customers trying to convince themselves of same.

 
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Chriz
Having 4 or 5 different versions of Windows did not help, it just makes it confusing and to get the good versions it is actually more expensive than it was to buy Windows XP Pro back when it came out.
Click to expand...

You will see the Corporate shills come in and claim inflation on software. :roll:
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I guess you've never counted how many versions of XP there are lol
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Wrong, sir.

Pro

Home

Tablet

Media

Pro 64 bit

I count five there...not to mention 2000 and 2003 (of which XP is based)

That would be 7. Elementary math FTW!
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Chriz
Having 4 or 5 different versions of Windows did not help, it just makes it confusing and to get the good versions it is actually more expensive than it was to buy Windows XP Pro back when it came out.
Click to expand...

You will see the Corporate shills come in and claim inflation on software. :roll:
Click to expand...

I guess you've never counted how many versions of XP there are lol
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2
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wrong.
 
Originally posted by: tweaker2
i don't recall a situation such as this when xp got released. so, there clearly is a difference in how these OS's are perceived at the time of their deployment.

as previously mentioned, smart folks will wait until vista gets its first service patch, most will get vista just because it got shipped with their brand spanking new PC and feel they have no choice in the matter. others feel really comfortable with xp and simply don't want to bother getting a handle on a new OS or are afraid of it for various reasons - ie - new OS = new problems to deal with.

i got it because i needed to know where it screws things up so i can repair and resolve issues like i know what i'm doing, and i wanted to drive it around the block a few times to see how it reacts to my hardware/software configurations.

dell is reacting responsibly. kudos to them. it's not doing anything that it shouldn't. imho, protecting your market share by responding to a specific need from what looks to be a significant portion of your customer base sells more PC's. nothing wrong with that.

if gates has a problem with vista's release it's a problem he created himself. he either didn't do enough market research or he got too arrogant for his own good. it's not his customer's fault that a portion are reacting to vista in an unfavorable way.

we all had to suffer through millenium's release, and if you ask around people are still using win98 just becausethey don't need anything more.

it's on microsoft's head to convince it's customer base that their new OS is a must have and not its customers trying to convince themselves of same.
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I was using Win98 up until two months ago 😉. Never had any problems with it, finally upgraded for Office 2003 and remote desktop.
 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Chriz
Having 4 or 5 different versions of Windows did not help, it just makes it confusing and to get the good versions it is actually more expensive than it was to buy Windows XP Pro back when it came out.
Click to expand...

You will see the Corporate shills come in and claim inflation on software. :roll:
Click to expand...

I guess you've never counted how many versions of XP there are lol
Click to expand...

2
Click to expand...

Wrong, sir.

Pro

Home

Tablet

Media

Pro 64 bit

I count five there...not to mention 2000 and 2003 (of which XP is based)

That would be 7. Elementary math FTW!
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Those other versions do not count. You could NOT buy them when XP was initially released, and you could not buy them in retail stores. For average Joe, the choice was between Pro and Home.
 
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